Doogie are you hearing "rumblings" about your guy?

[hillbillygopher]

Yes,

You are obviously not aware of the fact that his starting quarterback and back up quarterbacks were lost for the season in the same game now are you? I'm gonna say that has a little bit to do with the type of season he's having especially since his starting qb was projected to have another tremendous season again this year!

I was aware of that.

 

[hillbillygopher]

Yes, I must be delusional

3 wins vs Top 25 including then 5th ranked OSU on the road in his tenure. 12 weeks spent in the TOP 25 poll at HOUSTON reaching as high as 12th.

He is/has been a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year, and yet his very mention is almost a joke to some Hole posters. Delusion at its finest!

When pushing our favorite candidate, many of us tend to manipulate the facts and figures more skillfully than a seasoned SID. Sometimes those facts and figures add up, sometimes they don't, at least in my view. Yes, Coach Sumlin's teams did beat 3 teams over a two year period that were in the top 25 at the time of the game. Two of those three teams did not finish in the top 25. Yes, Houston was in the top 25 for an extended period, bouncing from the middle of the pack to the bottom and back. But at the end of the season, when things mattered, when the voters and the computers took the matter seriously, Houston was nowhere to be found. In fact, a check of the final computer rankings for the year shows that Houston wasn't in the top 50.

Yes, his teams did put up gaudy numbers in 2009, thanks to players that were recruited by Coach Briles. But keep in mind that at least 2/3 of the games were played against other teams from Conference USA. This may be my biggest objection to Coach Sumlin - these stats have been compiled while competing in the C-USA. I know that's not his fault, but in my view it doesn't have the high level of competition that would allow the Coach's stats to be fully evaluated. From my perspective, if you are in C-USA and you want to jump to the Big Ten, you better be winning every game going away like Patterson and Petersen are doing in their respective conferences. I agree with the poster who says he should have a couple of years at the next level up before we say he is ready for the Big Ten as a head coach.

I would have no way of knowing whether he was "a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year", but apparently none of the BCS AD's wanted to hire him. Maybe they are delusional as well.

 

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

When pushing our favorite candidate, many of us tend to manipulate the facts and figures more skillfully than a seasoned SID. Sometimes those facts and figures add up, sometimes they don't, at least in my view. Yes, Coach Sumlin's teams did beat 3 teams over a two year period that were in the top 25 at the time of the game. Two of those three teams did not finish in the top 25. Yes, Houston was in the top 25 for an extended period, bouncing from the middle of the pack to the bottom and back. But at the end of the season, when things mattered, when the voters and the computers took the matter seriously, Houston was nowhere to be found. In fact, a check of the final computer rankings for the year shows that Houston wasn't in the top 50.

Yes, his teams did put up gaudy numbers in 2009, thanks to players that were recruited by Coach Briles. But keep in mind that at least 2/3 of the games were played against other teams from Conference USA. This may be my biggest objection to Coach Sumlin - these stats have been compiled while competing in the C-USA. I know that's not his fault, but in my view it doesn't have the high level of competition that would allow the Coach's stats to be fully evaluated. From my perspective, if you are in C-USA and you want to jump to the Big Ten, you better be winning every game going away like Patterson and Petersen are doing in their respective conferences. I agree with the poster who says he should have a couple of years at the next level up before we say he is ready for the Big Ten as a head coach.

I would have no way of knowing whether he was "a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year", but apparently none of the BCS AD's wanted to hire him. Maybe they are delusional as well.

+1, and I appreciate the analysis.

Sumlin doesn't do anything for me. I would rather have Navy guy than Sumlin, and Golden, Belotti, and maybe even Jerry Kill before Navy guy (this assuming Leach is not a candidate, as has been reported).

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

When pushing our favorite candidate, many of us tend to manipulate the facts and figures more skillfully than a seasoned SID. Sometimes those facts and figures add up, sometimes they don't, at least in my view. Yes, Coach Sumlin's teams did beat 3 teams over a two year period that were in the top 25 at the time of the game. Two of those three teams did not finish in the top 25. Yes, Houston was in the top 25 for an extended period, bouncing from the middle of the pack to the bottom and back. But at the end of the season, when things mattered, when the voters and the computers took the matter seriously, Houston was nowhere to be found. In fact, a check of the final computer rankings for the year shows that Houston wasn't in the top 50.

Yes, his teams did put up gaudy numbers in 2009, thanks to players that were recruited by Coach Briles. But keep in mind that at least 2/3 of the games were played against other teams from Conference USA. This may be my biggest objection to Coach Sumlin - these stats have been compiled while competing in the C-USA. I know that's not his fault, but in my view it doesn't have the high level of competition that would allow the Coach's stats to be fully evaluated. From my perspective, if you are in C-USA and you want to jump to the Big Ten, you better be winning every game going away like Patterson and Petersen are doing in their respective conferences. I agree with the poster who says he should have a couple of years at the next level up before we say he is ready for the Big Ten as a head coach.

I would have no way of knowing whether he was "a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year", but apparently none of the BCS AD's wanted to hire him. Maybe they are delusional as well.

There are a ton of guys who I would rather see named as head coach of the Gophers than Sumlin, but I definitely disagree with this point. Patterson and Peterson are extremely rare. Non-BCS coaches who absolutely never lose in conference AND compete with the big boys are extremely rare. To hold all non-BCS coaches to that kind of standard before they make the jump would be impossible. Furthermore, why would these guys choose a program like the U? What they are doing is SO impressive that they will get a much bigger opportunity than Minnesota.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

This program is in it's 11th year as a member of I-A, and in its 7th year as a member of the Big East. It's not quite brand new anymore. He's had one winning season in the Big East. I'm not saying he would be a bad choice, it's just that the evidence that he would do well here is thin.

+1. Could not have said it better myself. It is the Big East. I think it can be stated without much argument at all that the Big East has consistently been the worst of the six BCS conferences and it is not close.

Edsall had 4 years as a 1-A independent, prior to UConn entering the Big East in 2004. His record in conference play in the Big East? 17-26.

Again, No Thanks.

 

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

There are a ton of guys who I would rather see named as head coach of the Gophers than Sumlin, but I definitely disagree with this point. Patterson and Peterson are extremely rare. Non-BCS coaches who absolutely never lose in conference AND compete with the big boys are extremely rare. To hold all non-BCS coaches to that kind of standard before they make the jump would be impossible. Furthermore, why would these guys choose a program like the U? What they are doing is SO impressive that they will get a much bigger opportunity than Minnesota.

that's fair. I don't consider Harbaugh, Peterson, Patterson, or Wittingham even remote possibilities for the U. Again, I even now think Jerry Kill would be a good hire. There is a one-page interview with him in this week's SI (with the SF Giants on the cover) that was really interesting; he seems like a good man.

And, in looking at his profile, he has had eight of his ten current assistants with him at each school he has been a head coach - if the U hires him, forget about the revolving door for assistant coaches. And they've been successful everywhere they've been.

 

[Seniorsmoke]

When pushing our favorite candidate, many of us tend to manipulate the facts and figures more skillfully than a seasoned SID. Sometimes those facts and figures add up, sometimes they don't, at least in my view. Yes, Coach Sumlin's teams did beat 3 teams over a two year period that were in the top 25 at the time of the game. Two of those three teams did not finish in the top 25. Yes, Houston was in the top 25 for an extended period, bouncing from the middle of the pack to the bottom and back. But at the end of the season, when things mattered, when the voters and the computers took the matter seriously, Houston was nowhere to be found. In fact, a check of the final computer rankings for the year shows that Houston wasn't in the top 50.

Yes, his teams did put up gaudy numbers in 2009, thanks to players that were recruited by Coach Briles. But keep in mind that at least 2/3 of the games were played against other teams from Conference USA. This may be my biggest objection to Coach Sumlin - these stats have been compiled while competing in the C-USA. I know that's not his fault, but in my view it doesn't have the high level of competition that would allow the Coach's stats to be fully evaluated. From my perspective, if you are in C-USA and you want to jump to the Big Ten, you better be winning every game going away like Patterson and Petersen are doing in their respective conferences. I agree with the poster who says he should have a couple of years at the next level up before we say he is ready for the Big Ten as a head coach.

I would have no way of knowing whether he was "a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year", but apparently none of the BCS AD's wanted to hire him. Maybe they are delusional as well.

I can respect your take and reasons why you don't like Sumlin for this job. Sumlin publically took his name out of the running for the Cincinatti job last year and turned down other interview requests from inquiring BCS schools. That is a little different than ADs not wanting him.

 

[Doogie]

Sumlin is a solid candidate... thinkin' the Pac-10 may fit his style more though... he won't come here because his in-laws are here... he can still visit here regularly... the family hook is a non-issue.

 

[Jackson5]

Sumlin is a solid candidate... thinkin' the Pac-10 may fit his style more though... he won't come here because his in-laws are here... he can still visit here regularly... the family hook is a non-issue.

This is your opinion but I doubt you have any inside knowledge of his family situation. Total speculation on your part.

 

[Doogie]

Not my opinion... have heard that from 2 people who should know.

 

[diehard]

Is one of them holding a eight year contract?

 

[Law_Abiding_Gopher]

Not my opinion... have heard that from 2 people who should know.

not certain why people keep jumpin down Doogie's throat, are there other journalists in town that waste their time arguing with G-Holers? I'm glad to read his posts even if I dislike what they say.

 

[Seany]

not certain why people keep jumpin down Doogie's throat, are there other journalists in town that waste their time arguing with G-Holers? I'm glad to read his posts even if I dislike what they say.

I appreciate the fact he posts here, and appreciate how he passes on the things he hears without trying to color them with any kind of personal spin. Objectivity is always a good thing.

 

[Jackson5]

Not my opinion... have heard that from 2 people who should know.

You're full of it Doogie. Unless your sources are Sumlin and his wife, you can't possibly say with certainty how his family will or won't impact his decision. If you would simply put "I think" in front of your blanket statements you would get more slack.

 

[GopherGod]

You're full of it Doogie. Unless your sources are Sumlin and his wife, you can't possibly say with certainty how his family will or won't impact his decision. If you would simply put "I think" in front of your blanket statements you would get more slack.

If doogie was saying what you wanted to hear, you would have zero problems with it and would not be attacking his sources. If he said Harbaugh's dream was to coach here you would be giddy like a school girl and wouldn't question him at all. Most peoples problems with doogie have to do with the content of his message rather than the source of the information.

 

[Jackson5]

If doogie was saying what you wanted to hear, you would have zero problems with it and would not be attacking his sources. If he said Harbaugh's dream was to coach here you would be giddy like a school girl and wouldn't question him at all. Most peoples problems with doogie have to do with the content of his message rather than the source of the information.

You are very wrong about that. I happen to think Doogie is probably right about Sumlin's family not having much impact, but that's my opinion. It's the way Doogie claims to know things with absolute certainty that he simply can't know unless he talked with Sumlin himself. It would be completely fine if Doogie said "I don't think his family will have a big impact on his decision from the people I talked to"

 

[gopherguy]

You're full of it Doogie. Unless your sources are Sumlin and his wife, you can't possibly say with certainty how his family will or won't impact his decision. If you would simply put "I think" in front of your blanket statements you would get more slack.

I'm not sure, but I took Doogie's statement about not coming here because of the In-laws as a funny sort of joke. You know, not coming here so he doesn't need to be close to the in-laws. Ha ha kind of thing. Anyway, I'm not a Sumlin fan, I think the U can and should do a lot better, for the sake of all of us. But i thought his post was kind of funny.