Doogie are you hearing "rumblings" about your guy?

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Duluthguy said:
Geez, Maturi says on Friday that he's trying hard not to fall in love with any one candidate yet, but he does have some favorites, and some guys are ready to pronounce Sumlin the next head coach. He even just added two more candidates to the list the day before. Does that sound anywhere close to Sumlin being a done deal? Besides, Doogie is now saying that any potential candidate will have a list of potential assistants, so you can take the big news about Sumlin and replace his name with about ten or more other coaches. I thought Maturi made it pretty clear that they haven't even started weeding down the list yet - except for those candidates who might have given a flat out no.
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Before Brewster was hired, Maturi made the statement an AD always had a short list of coaching candidates available in his desk just in case a need should arise. Maturi is probably referring to that list and be more open to waiting until he has got all the info he needs.

My guess is the top candidates are currently employed and he has to wait until the season is over before any groundbreaking negotiations can take place along with potential bowl games the candidate may be involved with.
 

gopherguy said:
No, I would not at all be satisfied if Sumlin is hired. His defenses are horrible, very gopher-like. Contrary to some posts his recruiting is horrible, especially for coaching at a school that sits smack in the middle of boatloads of future NFL talent. His offense reminds me of Mike Dunbar, not Chip Kelly. Just because he has a history at the U or was endorsed by someone (Brewster was endorsed by Mike Shannon and Mack Brown) means zilch when it comes to qualifications. IMO he is in the YUK column, along with the other horrible so-called candidates such as Trestman, Chryst, McCarney, Shannon, Edwards, and Edsall.
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Please explain what you base your claim on??? Do a search on his recruiting prowess and all you will find is evidence to the contrary. I think Tom Dienhart might have a tad more knowledge than you do on the subject. You think there are better candidates than Sumlin that is fine, but at least be factual about someone before you rip them.
 

hillbillygopher said:
I would be very, very disappointed if Sumlin was the choice. Picking up a few wins in a very weak conference doesn't do much for me. Watching the way his team got schooled by UCF last weekend confirmed my earlier impression.
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So driving the ball to tie the game at the end of the game (after having the lead in the second half) is get schooled???

3 wins vs Top 25 including then 5th ranked OSU on the road in his tenure. 12 weeks spent in the TOP 25 poll at HOUSTON reaching as high as 12th.

He is/has been a legitimate candiate for every almost every BCS job opening the last year, and yet his very mention is almost a joke to some Hole posters. Delusion at its finest!
 

All the coach search is just an exercise if they can land Sumlin for Minnesota $$$.
 

hillbillygopher said:
I would be very, very disappointed if Sumlin was the choice. Picking up a few wins in a very weak conference doesn't do much for me. Watching the way his team got schooled by UCF last weekend confirmed my earlier impression.
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You are obviously not aware of the fact that his starting quarterback and back up quarterbacks were lost for the season in the same game now are you? I'm gonna say that has a little bit to do with the type of season he's having especially since his starting qb was projected to have another tremendous season again this year!
 


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Seniorsmoke said:
Please explain what you base your claim on??? Do a search on his recruiting prowess and all you will find is evidence to the contrary. I think Tom Dienhart might have a tad more knowledge than you do on the subject. You think there are better candidates than Sumlin that is fine, but at least be factual about someone before you rip them.
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Rivals top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked (meaning really bad)
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = #45
2010 Houston = #48

Scout top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = Not ranked
2011 Houston = #48

ESPN top 25 Recruiting (they only include top 25)
Houston 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 = Not ranked
 

Sumlin is a poor choice - a Gutekunst kind of choice (sentimental, Minnesota ties, etc.). His teams lack defense, he has only two and a half years HC experience, he has proven nothing. If he had ten years experience, two or three conference championships, some big bowl wins, I'd feel differently. He hasn't proven anything other than that he can field a Wacker-style passing attack. It would be a huge risk to take Sumlin; it would be giving up, basically, and hoping for the best. We've done that before (Salem, Stoll, Wacker, Brewster, etc.). Too much is at stake now to do that again.
 

gopherguy said:
Rivals top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked (meaning really bad)
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = #45
2010 Houston = #48

Scout top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = Not ranked
2011 Houston = #48

ESPN top 25 Recruiting (they only include top 25)
Houston 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 = Not ranked
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Having a Top 50 Recruting class at Houston is comparable to a Top 15 class at the U, they both never happen so thanks for helping my point. What were the Houston recruting classes ranked before Sumlin showed up? What was his recruting history at Oklahoma like? How about Texas A&M? Was is a paid recruiting director like Tom Dienhart so high on Sumlin's recruting ability? Last year's class was ranked AHEAD of TCU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Minnesota....Shall I continue?
 

gopherguy said:
Rivals top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked (meaning really bad)
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = #45
2010 Houston = #48

Scout top 50 Recruiting
2008 Houston = Not ranked
2009 Houston = Not ranked
2010 Houston = Not ranked
2011 Houston = #48

ESPN top 25 Recruiting (they only include top 25)
Houston 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 = Not ranked
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Chris Peterson must be a terrible recruiter, his classes are never in the Top 50 (as you pointed out really bad.)
 



Seniorsmoke said:
Having a Top 50 Recruting class at Houston is comparable to a Top 15 class at the U, they both never happen so thanks for helping my point. What were the Houston recruting classes ranked before Sumlin showed up? What was his recruting history at Oklahoma like? How about Texas A&M? Was is a paid recruiting director like Tom Dienhart so high on Sumlin's recruting ability? Last year's class was ranked AHEAD of TCU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Minnesota....Shall I continue?
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Cracking the top 50 means you outrecruited a good number of BCS schools. I think some people forget that it is harder to recruit to non-BCS schools. Not being in the top 50 if you are a BCS school might be bad, but it's not bad if you're a CUSA school.
 



Seniorsmoke said:
Petersen my excuses.
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I think most would argue that Petersen is not a good recruiter. He very rarely beats out other schools in his conference, let alone BCS schools, for recruits. He has started to do that with some increasing frequency the last couple years, but that likely has more to do with Boise St.'s continued run of success than his abilities as a recruiter. He and his staff have been very successful, but even they themselves would say that has a lot more to do with coaching up, systems, and consistency than it does with recruiting.

And, just so you know, it's beyond obvious that you are Sumlin's pastor/grandma/boyfriend/agent. We get it. Heck, I even like (don't love) Sumlin as a candidate. But to speak to his recruiting while sitting in the middle of one of the best HS football cities in the country, and extrapolate that to how he would recruit while being 1,200 miles away is pointless. None of us know how any potential coach would do while recruiting to MN. And being able to recruit decent TX players while at a TX school tells us absolutely nothing.
 




Sumlin's last 2 recruiting classes were #1 in C-USA and so far they are again this year. Prior to that, Houston hadn't been rated #1 in their conference since 2003.

I read somewhere that if Texas A&M makes a change, they might take him.
 

Bo Darville said:
Sumlin's last 2 recruiting classes were #1 in C-USA and so far they are again this year. Prior to that, Houston hadn't been rated #1 in their conference since 2003.

I read somewhere that if Texas A&M makes a change, they might take him.
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Can Texas A&M outpay us?

You know with these Texas schools it seems like all of them have some boosters with deep pockets who will get the guy they want as coach.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I think most would argue that Petersen is not a good recruiter. He very rarely beats out other schools in his conference, let alone BCS schools, for recruits. He has started to do that with some increasing frequency the last couple years, but that likely has more to do with Boise St.'s continued run of success than his abilities as a recruiter. He and his staff have been very successful, but even they themselves would say that has a lot more to do with coaching up, systems, and consistency than it does with recruiting.

And, just so you know, it's beyond obvious that you are Sumlin's pastor/grandma/boyfriend/agent. We get it. Heck, I even like (don't love) Sumlin as a candidate. But to speak to his recruiting while sitting in the middle of one of the best HS football cities in the country, and extrapolate that to how he would recruit while being 1,200 miles away is pointless. None of us know how any potential coach would do while recruiting to MN. And being able to recruit decent TX players while at a TX school tells us absolutely nothing.
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Petersen isn't helped by the fact Dan Hawkins has struggled big time after leaving Boise State. Hawkins had laid the groundwork for the BSU program, and despite his success there he took the Colorado job and has failed horribly in terms of recruiting and competing on a weekly basis against more talented teams.

Petersen doesn't really have to recruit at Boise State. He just has to make sure he can land 3rd tier talents from California so he keeps the talent advantage over the rest of the WAC teams. It'll be tougher for him in the Mountain West where nearly every school recruits just as well, and then the other top teams in the WAC, Nevada & Fresno State will join the MWC also.

I think he could make the move now to avoid facing a potential drop off. It would be a big hire for us based upon his success and name recognition, but him coaching in the Big 10 and recruiting the region would still be a mystery.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I think most would argue that Petersen is not a good recruiter. He very rarely beats out other schools in his conference, let alone BCS schools, for recruits. He has started to do that with some increasing frequency the last couple years, but that likely has more to do with Boise St.'s continued run of success than his abilities as a recruiter. He and his staff have been very successful, but even they themselves would say that has a lot more to do with coaching up, systems, and consistency than it does with recruiting.

And, just so you know, it's beyond obvious that you are Sumlin's pastor/grandma/boyfriend/agent. We get it. Heck, I even like (don't love) Sumlin as a candidate. But to speak to his recruiting while sitting in the middle of one of the best HS football cities in the country, and extrapolate that to how he would recruit while being 1,200 miles away is pointless. None of us know how any potential coach would do while recruiting to MN. And being able to recruit decent TX players while at a TX school tells us absolutely nothing.
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I have as a casual observer and now as a poster, had a huge problem with the amount of garbage people post without any evidence to support their claims. It is everyone's right to post whatever they want, I just think those people need to be called out everynow and then.

I remember Sumlin from when he was here (I know who cares), but began taking a notice in his career from a posting in an old Sid column (ashamed to admit that.) It was when he was at Texas A&M and Sid had a blurb about him being a name to keep an eye on, after he took over playing calling duties for a struggling offense that began putting up huge points and beat the #1 team in the country at that time. I have been impressed from afar his career since then and always hoped the U could somehow land him. I have not gone out of my way to promote him, just defended his past coaching success. I strongly believe he will be a very successful coach at a BCS school, just hope it would be guiding my favorite team. I think there are a lot of very good candidates being considered and would be happy to land most of them considering the current state of the program. Not sure where you think I have claimed to know how his recruting would be at the U.
 

Seniorsmoke said:
Having a Top 50 Recruting class at Houston is comparable to a Top 15 class at the U, they both never happen so thanks for helping my point. What were the Houston recruting classes ranked before Sumlin showed up? What was his recruting history at Oklahoma like? How about Texas A&M? Was is a paid recruiting director like Tom Dienhart so high on Sumlin's recruting ability? Last year's class was ranked AHEAD of TCU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Minnesota....Shall I continue?
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You asked for facts. I gave you the facts. He can't recruit. Period. Why even bother arguing about it, you married to him or something. Later.
 

Mike Sherman may have moved off the hot seat temporarily at Texas A&M after his win against Oklahoma the other night. He's got a rough schedule remaining, but if he can beat a sub-par Texas team, he'd be awfully hard to fire.
 

gopherguy said:
You asked for facts. I gave you the facts. He can't recruit. Period. Why even bother arguing about it, you married to him or something. Later.
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Showing that Houston had a Top 50 recruting class per Rivals in 2010, and are so far ranked in the Top 50 again this year are not facts that he can't recruit. It shows evidence to the contrary. What are you unfamiliar with non AQ conference recruiting or something? I argue because you are wrong and uninformed.
 

Seniorsmoke said:
Showing that Houston had a Top 50 recruting class per Rivals in 2010, and are so far ranked in the Top 50 again this year are not facts that he can't recruit. It shows evidence to the contrary. What are you unfamiliar with non AQ conference recruiting or something? I argue because you are wrong and uninformed.
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+1 To crack the top 50 with a C-USA team is indication that he can recruit.
 

Gopher Fan said:
Petersen isn't helped by the fact Dan Hawkins has struggled big time after leaving Boise State. Hawkins had laid the groundwork for the BSU program, and despite his success there he took the Colorado job and has failed horribly in terms of recruiting and competing on a weekly basis against more talented teams.

Petersen doesn't really have to recruit at Boise State. He just has to make sure he can land 3rd tier talents from California so he keeps the talent advantage over the rest of the WAC teams. It'll be tougher for him in the Mountain West where nearly every school recruits just as well, and then the other top teams in the WAC, Nevada & Fresno State will join the MWC also.

I think he could make the move now to avoid facing a potential drop off. It would be a big hire for us based upon his success and name recognition, but him coaching in the Big 10 and recruiting the region would still be a mystery.
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Agree...recruiting to a MWC or WAC often gets a lot of second tier choices. You need the top tier to compete w tOSU, UW, MI, etc. Not sure if Petersen can do that. Like his situation, Sumlin took over for Art Briles who left for Baylor. I think the jury is out on Sumlin, especially losing his top 2 QBs, this year. Lots of the kids who go to UH were not recruited by UT, OK, TCU, A&M or LSU. I'd like to see him w another year or 2 of experience first. My lean now is the guy from UConn or Navy.
 



Would one of the MN guys be Tony Levine? I'd love to add his fire and passion to the team. The guy knows football and can flat out coach!
 


Just looked at Sumlin's assistants and there are some interesting guys on his staff. Our own Tony Levine, of course, but also Leon Burtnett, who was the head coach at Purdue in the early 1980s; Kliff Kingsbury, who played QB for Mike Leach at Texas Tech; former Dallas Cowboy DL Jim Jeffcoat; and former Dallas Cowboy defensive coordinator Brian Stewart.
 

Maximus said:
Lord knows his record has nothing to do with taking over a program that just became Division I-A.
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This program is in it's 11th year as a member of I-A, and in its 7th year as a member of the Big East. It's not quite brand new anymore. He's had one winning season in the Big East. I'm not saying he would be a bad choice, it's just that the evidence that he would do well here is thin.
 

Brewscrew said:
Would one of the MN guys be Tony Levine? I'd love to add his fire and passion to the team. The guy knows football and can flat out coach!
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Yeah, Levine would almost for sure be our special teams coach if Sumlin were hired. I think his wife is from Minnesota, he is from Minnesota, played at the U and is one of the best special teams coaches in the country.
 

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