doogie already starting tubby to ga tech talk

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Block M said:
The big problem with the TC media (save a few) from a Gophers perspective is that they don't get their bread buttered by U of M athletics. No repercussion for being hypercritical or downright nasty toward U athletics (Doogie-this is not a comment directed at you). I recall a few years ago that a certain college football coach whose team was very respectable that year was named turkey of the month or some damn thing by a certain sports columnist in the TC media. I'm sure that columnist got a good chuckle out of it. Trying to make a name for himself with the cynical wit.
But such things do not help program building.

Quite a different story in the college town (and state) in which I live, where the local school is big news (want a hint: their marching band was practicing in frigid weather tonight for a date in January). The sports media around here knows where the milk comes from and act accordingly.
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It might as well be. At least guys like Reusse & Souhan direct their venom at the coach or AD. Doogie is the only one in this town that I've seen drop things like "mental midget" when talking about a player.
 

Doogie said:
Very well could be right. So many factors, the best bet = Tubby signs an extension, gets his facility, and retires here. But ignoring the topic entirely is wrong.
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So is throwing around his name for what seems to be every BCS job opening. I'm not saying you did it, but that was very annoying last offseason.
 

I love it when these boards get a little nasty....I think the reason Tubby will stay here is because of his family. Dosen't he have like 18 brothers and sisters or something? I'm guessing here but I assume that the great majority of his siblings live in the southeastern part of the country. That's a lot of nieces and nephews to go along with those brothers and sisters. Being a D1 bball coach obviously requires a lot of time. Up here he's a safe distance away from all of them so that they aren't bothering him for favors and requests that family members always have when your rich and famous. I think it's possible he moved up here to get away from everyone back home.....Just a theory that i've had for awhile now.
 

Hold on...I've got some thoughts (if I only had a radio mic)...

What if:

Tubby got abducted by aliens and they put a chip in his brain making moving back to Georgia seem like a good move and then Georgia Tech's coach gets taken off to New Guinea in a weird middle-aged prostitution ring? Coaching opportunity open and the guy is interested.

AND the aliens bring Tubby back to MN where he all of a sudden hates the job he has loved for the last year and put endless amounts of work into making the Gophs a consistent NCAA tourney team (who knows if a sweet sixteen or better this year)....AND the Georgia Tech program has bundles of money; enough to convince a 60 year old man and his family that they aren't tired of moving and living in a place Tubby has endlessly praised...

AND THEN Tubby gets brainwashed by Chinese saboteurs who convince him that he hates MN and loves Atlanta so much he wants to move back there and start rebuilding a program (yes, getting 1 or 2 solid recruiting classes is "rebuilding"), just so that he can infiltrate CNN and get all their precious insider news. Oh another part of this hypo involves a Cold War setting...just think about it - try to rebut me and I will freak out.

Tubby would definitely take the job then. Oh my god start getting frantic.

Save your ridiculously low percentage hypothetical for FOX news. I know it's buzz and is definitely drawing attention, but it's old buzz and you will lose credibility with folks that care.
 

Does our thin-skinned blogger have a financial plan in order for this?

The plans have been drawn up, but if you failed to notice, a football stadium was in the works. A baseball stadium has been on the books for some time as well. Where's the pot of gold?

No doubt the team could use the facility. I would suspect that the folks in Bierman agree, hence the plans being created. Now it's about the money and getting the go-ahead from the Board of Regents.
 


Let's just get this practice facility in motion!! We're obviously not spending as much money as was predicted for the football coach, let's direct some of that money over there.
 

One of these rich alum need to step up, Brady Hoke got saved why not Tubby?? T. Denny Sanford where u at?? Start some fundraisers, do something, remove your hands from underneath your ass, its been 4 years Maturi. I dont think he will leave but I wouldnt blame him leaving over lame duck Maturis broken promises.
 

No need to get so excited about the comments apparently made. I didn't hear them, but from what I gather based on these posts is that it was simply filler; something to use up some on air time.

There will always be coaching rumors. Always. They could start building the Taj Mahal of practice facilities and there will still be people who start throwing out Tubby's name when the coaching carousel begins to swing.

Asking whether we'll hear Tubby to Georgia Tech talk (or NC State, etc, etc, etc) if something upsets him here and a coach leaves a school is similar to asking whether the sun will rise tomorrow.

The reality is there is a relatively good chance that both (a) there is little to no progress on a practice facility and (b) a Hewitt or Lowe or any number of other coaches leave their job...

Not a big deal to mention it - it's just filler.

If someone were trying to spout off reasons why they believe Tubby is likely to leave and were trying to make a case for the likelihood of it, that would be something to be annoyed at.
 

Doogie said:
IF G. TECH FIRES HEWITT (CERTAINLY POSSIBLE)
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Doogs - you may want to do some research on Hewitt's contract before proclaiming that his firing is possible. Simply put, there is almost zero chance GT fires Paul Hewitt. They are stuck with him forever. Hewitt's deal is, in essence, a lifetime contract. It calls for an automatic one-year extension EVERY YEAR so that it always has six years on it. If they fire him, they owe him FOR ALL SIX YEARS. Roughly $8.25 million!!

Furthermore, on the off chance that they raise $8+ million, do you think they'll find another $10-12 million over 5-6 years to pay 60-year-old Tubby Smith or do you think they'll have to go cheap and find a mid-major guy for $700K/yr?? Remember, GT is one of the schools without insanely deep pockets within the athletic department.

In my opinion, the only way the GT job will be open in the near term, is if Hewitt leaves on his own, and what school at this point is going to pay him enough to make it worth his while to step out on a lifetime deal that pays him minimum $1.35/year, but also never less than $8.25 million if fired?? Why do you suppose he stayed at GT last year when everyone knows he's unhappy with the situation? Because his contract is too good to walk away from and his value as a coach is no longer high enough for some school to make him an offer that is better.

I think GT is stuck with Paul Hewitt. The dangers of negotiating with a man when his value is at an all-time high (right after 2004 national title game appearance).
 



tjgopher said:
Doogs - you may want to do some research on Hewitt's contract before proclaiming that his firing is possible. Simply put, there is almost zero chance GT fires Paul Hewitt. They are stuck with him forever. Hewitt's deal is, in essence, a lifetime contract. It calls for an automatic one-year extension EVERY YEAR so that it always has six years on it. If they fire him, they owe him FOR ALL SIX YEARS. Roughly $8.25 million!!

Furthermore, on the off chance that they raise $8+ million, do you think they'll find another $10-12 million over 5-6 years to pay 60-year-old Tubby Smith or do you think they'll have to go cheap and find a mid-major guy for $700K/yr?? Remember, GT is one of the schools without insanely deep pockets within the athletic department.

In my opinion, the only way the GT job will be open in the near term, is if Hewitt leaves on his own, and what school at this point is going to pay him enough to make it worth his while to step out on a lifetime deal that pays him minimum $1.35/year, but also never less than $8.25 million if fired?? Why do you suppose he stayed at GT last year when everyone knows he's unhappy with the situation? Because his contract is too good to walk away from and his value as a coach is no longer high enough for some school to make him an offer that is better.

I think GT is stuck with Paul Hewitt. The dangers of negotiating with a man when his value is at an all-time high (right after 2004 national title game appearance).
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You are wrong sir. DOOGIE already told me that GT 100% has the money to pay for Tubby smith regardless of the reasons they have an opening. Because they called him last year and his agents talked with GT for longer than 10 seconds.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
No need to get so excited about the comments apparently made. I didn't hear them, but from what I gather based on these posts is that it was simply filler; something to use up some on air time.

There will always be coaching rumors. Always. They could start building the Taj Mahal of practice facilities and there will still be people who start throwing out Tubby's name when the coaching carousel begins to swing.

Asking whether we'll hear Tubby to Georgia Tech talk (or NC State, etc, etc, etc) if something upsets him here and a coach leaves a school is similar to asking whether the sun will rise tomorrow.

The reality is there is a relatively good chance that both (a) there is little to no progress on a practice facility and (b) a Hewitt or Lowe or any number of other coaches leave their job...

Not a big deal to mention it - it's just filler.

If someone were trying to spout off reasons why they believe Tubby is likely to leave and were trying to make a case for the likelihood of it, that would be something to be annoyed at.
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You make some good points. But when you are speaking about an issue that is obviously going to get people riled up, perhaps the media member should consider things such as facts before making asinine and baseless claims.
 

Rosemountian said:
You are wrong sir. DOOGIE already told me that GT 100% has the money to pay for Tubby smith regardless of the reasons they have an opening. Because they called him last year and his agents talked with GT for longer than 10 seconds.
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Doogs is probably right about last year. GT would not have had to pay Hewitt a cent for a buyout because Hewitt was going to willingly walk away to take the St. John's gig. But, Hewitt knows he has an iron clad deal in place and St. John's simply couldn't make it worthwhile for Hewitt to walk away.
 

tjgopher said:
Doogs is probably right about last year. GT would not have had to pay Hewitt a cent for a buyout because Hewitt was going to willingly walk away to take the St. John's gig. But, Hewitt knows he has an iron clad deal in place and St. John's simply couldn't make it worthwhile for Hewitt to walk away.
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I know Doogie was right that they probably had the money to make a splash hire if Hewitt walked away. But in his claim he claimed it was likely Hewitt would get fired, and they would have the money to pay a Tubby Smith after they fired him.

I have no problem with people reporting stories. Doogie should try to get some facts to support his speculation before he speculates though.

His entire basis for GT being a place Tubby may leave for is because they called him last year (when the situation at GT was completely different) even though there is no proof Tubby Smith was ever actually interested last year. He also bases his claims on the fact that some guy who is supposedly in the know emailed him that Tubby and his family would be open to move back down to the southeastern part of the country (because if Tubby actually had those thoughts he would definitely tell somebody that would tell DOOGIE of all people).

He can keep throwing stuff on the wall, maybe something will stick eventually.
 



So you're basically saying if those ifs happen, the rumors will start? Those rumors will start regardless because people like you start them. I think Gopher Warrior was right... that was a filler, correct? I'd hope so at least. Can't you come up with something that's more relevant to this point of the season and that doesn't piss off the fan base? You speculated that speculation will start if those ifs become true. Think about that. You can't come up with anything better to talk about?


Doogie said:
Why would it be stupid to suggest that Tubby would want to be in Atlanta near where multiple siblings live if MN doesn't make progress on his practice facility?
It's called selective listening... listeners do it all the time... cited the Myron info. from last March/April when there was talk of Hewitt getting fired, and how many who know Tubby thought he would take that job if they called... made the leap tonight with Ga. Tech struggling, that Hewitt could lose his job in March... and if so, AND if no progress is made on the facility front, that the rumors will start again... you don't think they will? Again, if all those factors are in play, if you don't think Tubby's name will come up in Atlanta, then I would like to sell you oceanfront property in International Falls. Admittedly, a few ifs.
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Let's all jump on every media member who dares talk about reality! At first I was going to join in in this case, not so much for anything Doogie said, but for the timing. It's December 8th, can we save the 'Tubby to xxxx' spewing until at least February 8th?

However, we've all seen our pathetic, dithering AD at his finest this week. There are lots of folks on the football board saying 'oh get over it, he's retiring in 2 years, what else can happen?' Well, nothing else bad will happen to the football program. But plenty bad can still happen to the basketball program.

There are two things we know: Maturi promised Tubby a Practice Facility when he was hired, and 4 years later almost nothing has been done towards one being built. Second, Maturi promised they were working on a contract extension for Tubby in April when the Oregon rumors started. It's December and there's been no contract extension announced. Why not? Because Maturi is the most inept AD in history? Because the U's lawyers are inept? (Maturi's been saying it's 'with the lawyers' since May.) Or is Tubby refusing to sign an extension until the something to make progress on the practice facility.

Doogie, to me the above things are concerning and worthy of discussion. What is asinine at this point is to start discussing specific jobs on December 8th. GT is not open. It may never be open. What if Gary Williams retires? Sidney Lowe may get fired. You tried to start rumors about that job last year too. Rather then try and pull a random school out of thin air, let's discuss the reasons why Tubby has no contract extension and that says about his desires and our dithering AD. Not play the random speculation card that makes you look silly and seem like you're trying to randomly stir the pot.
 

Doogie said:
I am on the radio regardless... get plenty of exposure... who gives a bleep about "drawing attention"? Foolish take.
It was a good talking point... did you ignore the reports last March that G. Tech called Tubby's people when there was talk of Hewitt leaving for St. John's?
LET ME REPEAT: IF THERE IS ZERO PROGRESS ON A PRAC. FACILITY, AND IF G. TECH FIRES HEWITT (CERTAINLY POSSIBLE), THEN TUBBY TO ATLANTA TALK WILL START-UP AGAIN? ADMITTEDLY, THOSE ARE A COUPLE IFS.
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One more IF.

IF you knew what you were saying. But you don't.

Tubby will retire at Minnesota. He's 60 next May, just 5 or 6 years from retirement age.

He has family ties in VA, MD, and NC but not Atlanta.
 

grunkiejr said:
It might as well be. At least guys like Reusse & Souhan direct their venom at the coach or AD. Doogie is the only one in this town that I've seen drop things like "mental midget" when talking about a player.
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not true, reusse called the gopher football players "slugs" and took shots at clint brewster.
 

Count me also as a bit dumber for having read this thread. Lol. If there are openings again Tubby's name will be brought up. We'll get all excited, threads and arguments will take place, and in the end Tubby will be back again next year, and the year after, and after, and after, and after, until he retires.

In fact, I would bet that Tubby outlasts certain members of the media here. :)

I actually enjoy listening to Doogie occasionally, although Doogs, I think your delivery is really stiff sometimes. You seem to worry wayyyy too much about enunciation and in the end you sound a bit robotic, to me at least. Loosen up a bit bud. You'll endear yourself to your listeners a bit more if you sound like you're having a conversation between friends. Oh, and tell Souhan to shut the F up about anything other than baseball.

Just sayin' ( not saying ) :)
 

Doogie said:
Why would it be stupid to suggest that Tubby would want to be in Atlanta near where multiple siblings live if MN doesn't make progress on his practice facility?
It's called selective listening... listeners do it all the time... cited the Myron info. from last March/April when there was talk of Hewitt getting fired, and how many who know Tubby thought he would take that job if they called... made the leap tonight with Ga. Tech struggling, that Hewitt could lose his job in March... and if so, AND if no progress is made on the facility front, that the rumors will start again... you don't think they will? Again, if all those factors are in play, if you don't think Tubby's name will come up in Atlanta, then I would like to sell you oceanfront property in International Falls. Admittedly, a few ifs.
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It is possible, but I doubt it will happen. Tubby doesn't have a lot of moves left in him, and he's far enough along in the rebuilding here to be able to have a bunch of very solid years leading into retirement. He'd have to start over at GaTech. What's more likely in my opinion, is that we will get the practice facility done and that will be the end of it. Personally I don't think he's going anywhere, but that doesn't mean sit on the facility Joel. It is needed for the team and recruiting a lot more than keeping Tubby here.
 

Blizzard said:
Count me also as a bit dumber for having read this thread. Lol. If there are openings again Tubby's name will be brought up. We'll get all excited, threads and arguments will take place, and in the end Tubby will be back again next year, and the year after, and after, and after, and after, until he retires.

In fact, I would bet that Tubby outlasts certain members of the media here. :)

I actually enjoy listening to Doogie occasionally, although Doogs, I think your delivery is really stiff sometimes. You seem to worry wayyyy too much about enunciation and in the end you sound a bit robotic, to me at least. Loosen up a bit bud. You'll endear yourself to your listeners a bit more if you sound like you're having a conversation between friends. Oh, and tell Souhan to shut the F up about anything other than baseball.

Just sayin' ( not saying ) :)
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Did Doogie mention that Tubby recently said that he plans for Minnesota to be his last job? I take Tubby at his word on that. He's building something nice here and probably having fun doing it. It would be nice if we could enjoy it with him instead of always bringing up the idea that he probably wants to be somewhere else.
 

Did Doogie mention that Tubby recently said that he plans for Minnesota to be his last job?
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I don't know. I didn't listen to the show that the OP was referring to. My comments were more general towards the time I have heard him.

I take Tubby at his word on that. He's building something nice here and probably having fun doing it. It would be nice if we could enjoy it with him instead of always bringing up the idea that he probably wants to be somewhere else.
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I completely agree.
 

Rosemountian said:
I know Doogie was right that they probably had the money to make a splash hire if Hewitt walked away. But in his claim he claimed it was likely Hewitt would get fired, and they would have the money to pay a Tubby Smith after they fired him.

I have no problem with people reporting stories. Doogie should try to get some facts to support his speculation before he speculates though.

His entire basis for GT being a place Tubby may leave for is because they called him last year (when the situation at GT was completely different) even though there is no proof Tubby Smith was ever actually interested last year. He also bases his claims on the fact that some guy who is supposedly in the know emailed him that Tubby and his family would be open to move back down to the southeastern part of the country (because if Tubby actually had those thoughts he would definitely tell somebody that would tell DOOGIE of all people).

He can keep throwing stuff on the wall, maybe something will stick eventually.
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Facts? G. Tech is off to a bad start, even if their expectations weren't high this year.
The person who told me that Donna would be open to a move is more than some email buddy... It's someone I've known for years, and knows the Smiths. Live in your bubble if you so choose.

Throw stuff on the wall? That's why on Sat. a.m., I had that the football team would have a coach in the next 48-hours... advanced that story plenty, and helped Joe Schmit break the story of Kill coming Sun. early afternoon.

RoseMountain, I've worked here for 15 years... I worked closely with Chad Hartman for 11 of those... I think I've gotten to know quite a few people.
If you're trying to slam my credentials, at least attach your name. Don't hide behind some made-up moniker, or better yet, come talk to me in person. I'll be on Friday night from 6-8 on 1500... would be glad to debate you in-studio. Easy for you to throw bleep out on a message board.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
One more IF.

IF you knew what you were saying. But you don't.

Tubby will retire at Minnesota. He's 60 next May, just 5 or 6 years from retirement age.

He has family ties in VA, MD, and NC but not Atlanta.
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Friend of Tubby... those who know you through GH say you are a STALKER of Tubby... is your moniker off?
The Smiths have family near Atlanta... too many responses in this thread... think I said Atl. in one, then in the next said within an hour or so of Atl, and said the Smiths, plural.
 

grunkiejr said:
It might as well be. At least guys like Reusse & Souhan direct their venom at the coach or AD. Doogie is the only one in this town that I've seen drop things like "mental midget" when talking about a player.
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I apologized to that player. Those words were a bit strong. Those words also got by the person who posted the story, the editor, but I accepted blame. Should not have written it as strongly as I did. The interesting thing: that player 5 months later was suspended for 2 games for a pot violation, his 2nd. The idea was right; chose the wrong words.
 

Blizzard said:
Count me also as a bit dumber for having read this thread. Lol. If there are openings again Tubby's name will be brought up. We'll get all excited, threads and arguments will take place, and in the end Tubby will be back again next year, and the year after, and after, and after, and after, until he retires.

In fact, I would bet that Tubby outlasts certain members of the media here. :)

I actually enjoy listening to Doogie occasionally, although Doogs, I think your delivery is really stiff sometimes. You seem to worry wayyyy too much about enunciation and in the end you sound a bit robotic, to me at least. Loosen up a bit bud. You'll endear yourself to your listeners a bit more if you sound like you're having a conversation between friends. Oh, and tell Souhan to shut the F up about anything other than baseball.

Just sayin' ( not saying ) :)
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Blizzard: Thanks for listening. I'll be on Friday night from 6-8 on 1500... listen-in if you can.
 

Considering the money we saved on a new FB coach, shouldn't it be easier to finance that practice facility?
 

"What is asinine at this point is to start discussing specific jobs on December 8th. GT is not open. It may never be open. What if Gary Williams retires? Sidney Lowe may get fired. You tried to start rumors about that job last year too. Rather then try and pull a random school out of thin air, let's discuss the reasons why Tubby has no contract extension. ... Not play the random speculation card that makes you look silly and seem like you're trying to randomly stir the pot."

Well stated, Howeda.

From Doogie. ...

"I worked closely with Chad Hartman for 11 of those."

Is that supposed to impress us? He's a bigger dork and condascending pr*ck than his dad, and that's saying something. Chadly doesn't pay his bets on the golf course, either (have that from a reliable "source").

Look, I'm not naive enough to think Tubby wouldn't leave for another BCS job, but really, this is simply stirring the pot (Howeda's words) in early December to get people to listen to WRM (Whore Rumor Monger) radio, worthless sports talk radio. You guys are paid to stir things up, I understand that, but really, do you need the attention this much? I hear the Maine job might open at the end of the season, is Tubby interested in going to Orono, too? Or what about George Washington? Or what about Oregon State? Or what about Nebraska? Don't the 'Huskers have a shiny, new practice facility? Those jobs all might become available. Come on, let's keep the rumor train going. Get on the horn with your "sources" so we can throw a few more potential Tubby destinations out there. Who wants to talk about the actual 2010-11 Gopher season, anyways? Let's talk about head coaching jobs that aren't even open.

I'll end with a positive. I believe your sources are correct about Donna. I've heard from several different people I trust that Donna has never been completely comfortable here. Doesn't mean Tubby will leave, but (as you point out) that certainly could become a factor if Tubby ever considers leaving.
 


Didn't read the entire thread, but if Doogie is even mentioning Tubby and Georgia Tech in the same breath then I feel very safe that Tubby is going nowhere. Just look how he botched up and made himself look like a fool with the football search. And before you respond to this and ask how you botched up the football search Doogie, look at peoples' responses to you on GI and GH during the football search. You were laughed at.

There is a reason why 90% of the posts on here and GI are negative toward you. Because you bring up things to stir the the pot that don't have any relevance at the time whatsoever. You call yourself a "journalist" and that you can say whatever you want, which you can, but don't expect Gopher fans to just sit here and read the stuff you write and comes out of your mouth without taking some heat when many of your points, rumors, ramblings, etc. are NEGATIVE toward the Gophers athletic program.
 


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