Do the Goph's have 8 wins without DeAndre Mathieu

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I didn't say he would have lost it if Tubby was coach. Just because a coach tells a player to lose weight doesn't mean he will.....I give Mo more credit for losing the weight that Pitino. Every off season coaches tell their players what they need to do to improve. Even coaches as crappy as you perceive Tubby to be. I do think Mo is better because Pitino is the coach than he would be if Tubby was the coach, but he still could have lost it if Tubby was the coach. I'm not saying he would have, but he could have....and Mo showed incredible discipline to lose the weight he did. Maybe it was all Pitino, maybe it was partly because he was just sick of being fat and out of shape. I'm sure Tubby didn't want Mo playing at 310 lbs either.
 

Welch was no where near as good as Matthieu has played for us this year.....I don't care what statistics you want to pull out of your hat.
 

Blossoming is a polite term for gaining weight. I.e. young ladies often blossom during their freshman year in college. Orlando would have had no problem sending him out at his playing weight of 285 lbs.
 

bga1 said:
1. How many games would Mo and EE have fouled out in?
2. Consider the outside shooting....ugly
3. Slow
4. Off the bench in the hockey line change- Mav, Ellis, Oto, Foster/Buggs, Wally - hows that look?

Sounds to me like a 13-13 club with about 3 Big Ten wins so far.
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That sounds about right. Strangely, Tubby inherited more talent in Lubbock than he procured for himself here.
 

MadtownGopher said:
If Tubby were still the coach, we wouldn't have Mathieu, Malik, McNeil, or King. Instead we'd have Ellis, Foster, and some other spring recruits. Imagine how ugly that team would look.[
Time to learn that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pit inherited a lot more talent and experience than Tubby did here or at Texas Tech, time to grow up man!
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basil_mcrae_soup said:
Serious man crush on the speedster's abilities. Without him, I'm confident we have nothing going on this year.


Crazy talk warning: He could probably steal a game or two in the National Tourny if the people he passes to have a pulse.
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gotta love these rhetorical (I hope) questions
 

I don't spend much time reading other teams' fan boards. Is it normal or abnormal to have as many posters as we have who seem to hate the program and the coach as much as some do here? I'm going to guess that we're unique in that respect.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I don't spend much time reading other teams' fan boards. Is it normal or abnormal to have as many posters as we have who seem to hate the program and the coach as much as some do here? I'm going to guess that we're unique in that respect.
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I assume the same. It's the #1 issue with this forum imo.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
ORtg eFG% Ast % TO %
Welch 112.9 56.7% 28.9% 21.0%
Mathieu 99.0 49.5% 26.8% 24.5%
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If basketball were played in Braille then Welch looks more valuable in his junior year according to these stats.

However, for people with one or more working eyeballs it's beyond obvious how much more crucial Matheui is to a team than Welch was. It's no contest. Matheui is just a much better player than even the junior version of Welch
 



Cayman said:
For the record, Drizzy is what Dre Mathieu goes by on Twitter, so it's not just some crazy nickname that the poster you quoted came up with.
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Thanks. I don't spend much time on Twitter, so I wouldn't know that. I suppose when I get a life, I should make that a part of it.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
ORtg eFG% Ast % TO %
Welch 112.9 56.7% 28.9% 21.0%
Mathieu 99.0 49.5% 26.8% 24.5%
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Cool stats bro. Reason why these are fun stats to cherry pick.
1. Welch took 7 shots a game, 3 from 3. Welch shot 43% from 3 as we all know. but also as we all know, he got most of these looks WIDE OPEN due to guys like Williams, Mbakwe (in his few games), Sampson, and later in the season Dre drawing the primary defensive attention. When you're the tertiary or quarternary offensive option, you are open more often from deep. Kudos for him in hitting those shots, but to reference, Austin Hollins was a 37% 3Pt shooter from distance that year compared to 30% this year. Being open helps.

2. Who on this team do you have to feed the ball at the rim on this team? Welch had Mbakwe (again limited), Williams, and Sampson to feed the ball in the post to as well as solid shooters that season at least, probably due to the higher attention necessary down low, in Dre, Austin, and Armelin. Those inflate assist numbers when you're the guy with the ball in your hands. Just ask the guy from Davidson who got to fire the ball to an open Curry all year (not comparing the 2 directly, but open shooters sure as hell help).

3. Welch wasn't asked to create his own shot. Welch took 4 shots inside the arc/game that season. Little Dre is asked to penetrate and kick and score himself. He is the focus of our offense, much of which is in the paint, as is evidenced by his 8.5 shots/game with only 1 from deep. Those differences in what is asked of the player is going to lead to drastically different numbers in terms of "efficiency". Also movement in the paint leads to more turnovers. how many bounce passes in the paint have gone off our guys hands and out of bounds to count as TO's on Dre? Or guys not sealing correctly on post entries? good plenty including several last night. you don't see stuff like that when you are perimeter passing to 3 point shooters.

Trust your eyes. Dre is a "better" player for us in terms of that he is the guy making this team go. With Welch that season, we didn't lose anything going to different guys in his spot. Look at what happened when we switched to letting Dre Hollins handle the ball more and more.
 




When I think of Welch I think of his choke job at Illinois at the free throw line, I think blind passes, idiotic TO's, and too slow to guard anyone, was a disapointment, not on RS# or Rodney's level, but nonetheless a disappointment. I'll take lil Dre any day of the week
 

bemidjigopher said:
When I think of Welch I think of his choke job at Illinois at the free throw line, I think blind passes, idiotic TO's, and too slow to guard anyone, was a disapointment, not on RS# or Rodney's level, but nonetheless a disappointment. I'll take lil Dre any day of the week
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You had to bring that up again. I was just getting over that.
 

jaymil said:
I disagree that Dre's natural position is PG. He's capable of playing it but his lack of quickness and the fact he's only a decent ballhandler make him better off the ball. The addition of Mathieu has been huge. And like madtown said, Coleman might still be gone if Tubby was still here and Not So Huge Mo would probably still be Huge Mo.

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This. Dre Hollins is not a top notch PG. He just doesn't have the ball handling skills needed.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
I don't buy what you're selling for a second. Mathieu is much more important to this team than Welch was to his team.
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Yep. Welch was unappreciated here for sure, but Mathieu runs this team, and is the best player hands down.
 

The Brain Trust said:
Time to learn that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pit inherited a lot more talent and experience than Tubby did here or at Texas Tech, time to grow up man!
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What's your point? Madtown was saying that Pitino has made a better team out of a bunch of Tubby's recruits than Tubby would have. Your assertion has absolutely no relevance to what he was saying.
 

I watched a couple games yesterday.

Mathieu >>>> Irving

Don't get me wrong Kyrie is a very nice player. Just not as quick as Deandre. :cool02:
 

howieramone said:
Joe Coleman, Dre at his natural PG position, and Not So Huge Mo and EE playing together. 1. Dre-3 year starter 2. Joe-3 year starter 3. Austin-3 year starter 4. Not So Huge Mo at last seasons playing weight of 285 lbs. 5. EE Doesn't sound ugly to me.
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Looks like a typical Tubby lineup...... No PG.
 

To me he is the team MVP to this point in the season. I have know idea where this team would be without him. I just love the way this kid plays the game.. does he make a few mistakes because he plays so fast yes... but we have gained way more on the plus side of things... I did say before first regular season game he would be team MVP and I still believe that.
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
To me he is the team MVP to this point in the season. I have know idea where this team would be without him. I just love the way this kid plays the game.. does he make a few mistakes because he plays so fast yes... but we have gained way more on the plus side of things... I did say before first regular season game he would be team MVP and I still believe that.
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in all honesty it would take a pretty Herculean effort for anyone else to usurp that spot from him
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
To me he is the team MVP to this point in the season. I have know idea where this team would be without him. I just love the way this kid plays the game.. does he make a few mistakes because he plays so fast yes... but we have gained way more on the plus side of things... I did say before first regular season game he would be team MVP and I still believe that.
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+1 I wasn't as astute on what an effect he would have. Took a while to win me over. I just had no idea he would be able to finish so well at the basket. I also think he's still got a lot more upside to his game: getting people involved even more and cutting down on the turnovers. He and Mo might be a real handful for teams next year.
 

MinneStoa said:
What's your point? Madtown was saying that Pitino has made a better team out of a bunch of Tubby's recruits than Tubby would have. ...Tubby made to the final 32 last year with his recruits and a RPI of 30. So exactly how has Pitino exceeded that my good man? Perhaps you and Mad would be better off attacking Monson or try looking forward not in the rear view mirror
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The Brain Trust said:
What's your point? Madtown was saying that Pitino has made a better team out of a bunch of Tubby's recruits than Tubby would have. ...Tubby made to the final 32 last year with his recruits and a RPI of 30. So exactly how has Pitino exceeded that my good man? Perhaps you and Mad would be better off attacking Monson or try looking forward not in the rear view mirror
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1) Please, please, please learn how to properly format a quote. Your post reads as erratically as I assume your brain does.

2) Tubby had Trevor Mbakwe, Rodney Williams, Andre Ingram, and Julian Welch. If you can't understand the effect that those players had, then bless your heart. ~1/3 of the team was completely different last year, so I'm not sure why you're trying to use those results in a comparison of this years team with Tubby's recruits vs Pitino's.
 

bga1 said:
If basketball were played in Braille then Welch looks more valuable in his junior year according to these stats.

However, for people with one or more working eyeballs it's beyond obvious how much more crucial Matheui is to a team than Welch was. It's no contest. Matheui is just a much better player than even the junior version of Welch
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Nicely done.

Unfortunately, Welch was more traumatized than we were by aforementioned 'choke' and struggled from that game forward.
 

Quick question. We have 6 wins. Where do you get 8?
 




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