Devoe Joseph to transfer?

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howeda7 said:
Yeah...OK. Let's fire Tubby. And replace him with who, oh wise one?
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Oh there are a LOT of young up and coming assistant coaches that would immediately take this group further than Tubby ever will. I'm not getting Maturi's $$$ so I'm not putting my ideas on a fan site, sorry.

No one ever wonders why it was so easy to get Tubby in the first place... all his failings are always the players fault.
 

Drex96 said:
Oh there are a LOT of young up and coming assistant coaches that would immediately take this group further than Tubby ever will. I'm not getting Maturi's $$$ so I'm not putting my ideas on a fan site, sorry.

No one ever wonders why it was so easy to get Tubby in the first place... all his failings are always the players fault.
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Yeah sure, just ask Arkansas and Iowa how those young up and coming assistant coaches are doing.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
I think* Devoe could transfer and immediately play for D1 New Orleans... then, leave in the summer to a D1 school and immediately play for one more year at whatever school he went to. That would be quite an interesting path...
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Details? Does New Orleans have some sort of exemption to the transfer rule? If so, why? Katrina?
 

Drex96 said:
Oh there are a LOT of young up and coming assistant coaches that would immediately take this group further than Tubby ever will. I'm not getting Maturi's $$$ so I'm not putting my ideas on a fan site, sorry.

No one ever wonders why it was so easy to get Tubby in the first place... all his failings are always the players fault.
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Oh wow. "I'm not getting paid so I won't try to back up my opinions with ideas." That's a new one. Not a big fan of intellectually honest debates huh? Or maybe you're just worried that the ideas you aren't getting paid for might be used by someone else and the pretend money you aren't making will get stolen from you. Or you're trolling.

I'd expand upon which of the three I think you're doing but I'm not getting paid to put my thoughts on a fan site. :rolleyes:
 

Drex96 said:
Oh there are a LOT of young up and coming assistant coaches that would immediately take this group further than Tubby ever will. I'm not getting Maturi's $$$ so I'm not putting my ideas on a fan site, sorry.

No one ever wonders why it was so easy to get Tubby in the first place... all his failings are always the players fault.
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Give me a break. No one is saying he's the greatest coach who ever lived (well maybe FOT is) but for you to not acknowledge he's at least in the upper half of BCS coaches (more like top 20) and that whoever we get would likely be worse, not better, is moronic. Every coach who isn't proven is 'up and coming' when they get a job in the Big 10, including Dan Monson. That proves squat.
 


howeda7 said:
Details? Does New Orleans have some sort of exemption to the transfer rule? If so, why? Katrina?
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It's a unique loophole. They are moving from D1 to D3 after this year. They had a couple of nonqualifiers show up and start playing already this season... although at least one has already left. It wouldn't be a very fun environment, but might allow someone to (1) continue to play D1 ball this season and (2) transfer and play immediately at another D1 school after June 30, 2011... I'd need to look at some wording before saying I'm 100% on this, but I think this would be doable. (not trying to give Devoe any ideas, but...)
 

howeda7 said:
Details? Does New Orleans have some sort of exemption to the transfer rule? If so, why? Katrina?
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They are transitioning down to D-III. They are no longer offering scholarships so I could see where an exemption might exist for them as they currently compete as a D1 independent.
 


The bottom line is Tubby is starting to have serious problems with players he recruited who are supposed to be integral parts of a team with high aspirations. I don't know who is to blame for what in each case, but their is a pattern forming.
 



Gopher Warrior said:
It's a unique loophole. They are moving from D1 to D3 after this year. They had a couple of nonqualifiers show up and start playing already this season... although at least one has already left. It wouldn't be a very fun environment, but might allow someone to (1) continue to play D1 ball this season and (2) transfer and play immediately at another D1 school after June 30, 2011... I'd need to look at some wording before saying I'm 100% on this, but I think this would be doable. (not trying to give Devoe any ideas, but...)
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I get that this would allow him to play for them this semester. But how does it exempt him from sitting out a full year? If he can do this, couldn't any player just go play D-II or D-III for one semester and then go back to D-1 immediately?
 

jovs said:
The two players on this team that appear to me to being mishandled are Joseph and Williams. Certain players just are not going to react to being pulled from the game for one mistake. Those two seem to be the players on the recieving end the most. I thought Bostick was the same way last year. I think other players are given more leeway.
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one mistake??? It seems to me neither Devoe or Williams has yet to elevate their game to a point where they can stay in regardless...Is Tubby suppose to treat players as entitled?
 

howeda7 said:
I get that this would allow him to play for them this semester. But how does it exempt him from sitting out a full year? If he can do this, couldn't any player just go play D-II or D-III for one semester and then go back to D-1 immediately?
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I think it would be a loophole because they aren't D-III yet. They are still D1, but playing as an independent. So this is a situation that won't be repeating itself anytime soon.
 

GoAUpher said:
Yea, or maybe it was b/c Cobbs wasn't getting it done. Because forcing a shooting guard to be a PG just to sign his brother is exactly what most experienced national title winning coaches do. Also, how does forcing Devoe to be a PG help Tubby sign his brother anyhow?
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I didn't use the word "forced" I used the word "pushed" as in gave Devoe too much pt while not even trying to develop his freshman PG recruit. Cobbs was a FRESHMAN and not as terrible as people try to make him out to be. But I will say this about Cobbs, he was SMART. He got the hell out of there in time to salvage his collegiate career.

@Howeda: Tubby may be at the top half of the BCS coaching line, but he's on a serious decline.

@GoUApher: "Not a big fan of intellectually honest debates huh?" There is NOTHING about this fan site that is even remotely "intellectual".
 



Drex96 said:
I didn't use the word "forced" I used the word "pushed" as in gave Devoe too much pt while not even trying to develop his freshman PG recruit. Cobbs was a FRESHMAN and not as terrible as people try to make him out to be. But I will say this about Cobbs, he was SMART. He got the hell out of there in time to salvage his collegiate career.
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Fair enough. I took a differently meaning from your post. I would point out that learning on the fly wasn't going to get us to the tourney. "Pushing" Devoe did just that. Also, nice job ignoring the q about how "pushing" him to play point more would help us sign his brother.
Drex96 said:
@GoUApher: "Not a big fan of intellectually honest debates huh?" There is NOTHING about this fan site that is even remotely "intellectual".
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If this is true then you are doing a great job of fitting in. :rolleyes:
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
What are his options? If he decides to transfer now, he still has to sit out next year right? So why wouldn't he just finish this year out, then transfer? He'll at least keep playing competitively? Are there any pro's to leaving the U of MN right now? I just don't get it.
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Pros to leaving right now - I can think of two possibilities. First, if there's really a serious interpersonal conflict, then he could just get it over with and not have to deal with it anymore. Second, I believe Noopy Crater left OSU after he failed a drug test and was about to be suspended for that, so maybe that sort of thing would come into play here - perhaps Devoe would be facing a suspension if he stayed, in that case, why not leave if it would help you avoid a suspension? Crater was able to avoid a suspension by OSU by transferring. But generally it is a bad decision to transfer in the middle of the season because you cost yourself a year of eligibility for the sake of 1/2 of the season (or less), and you have to sit out games in the next season if you want to play the next season (unless you would rather sit out nearly 2 seasons to be able to play a full season in your next competition).
 

GoAUpher said:
Fair enough. I took a differently meaning from your post. I would point out that learning on the fly wasn't going to get us to the tourney. "Pushing" Devoe did just that. Also, nice job ignoring the q about how "pushing" him to play point more would help us sign his brother.
If this is true then you are doing a great job of fitting in. :rolleyes:
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Okay, if I replaced the word "pushed" with "developed" or "allowed to play" would you understand the point better? The Joseph family pulled an okey-dokey on Tubby and he was pissed. Took it out on Devoe and now Devoe has had enough and wants to leave. Clear enough for you now?

As for the "fitting in" part, no my intellect goes over the heads of most of the people who comment on my posts, so I don't fit in at all. :cry:
 

Team Play in PR

I don't want Joseph to go, I think it would be a big mistake for him. BUT - the best team play I have seen all year was at the PR tipoff. I know UNC is not the team that was expected, but the Gophers team play was excellent. Their defense is what won the games. For as weak as our defense has been lately, they are capable of so much more. Losing Mo for the season will hurt, but this team can step it up without Joseph if that is what he chooses. I hope our juniors and seniors show some leadership and get this team playing like they should be.
 

Drex96 said:
Bingo. Carter left, Cobbs left, Royce left, Barnes left--to NC, C Joseph left--to Texas, etc. They say "where there's smoke there's fire" and yet you people still want to talk about roasting marshmellows.

Golden boy to goat--can't all be Devoe's fault. I'll say it again: monsters aren't born, they are created. It all comes down to coaching.
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Don't forget Josh Selby, Kyrie Irving, and Jared Sullinger who all "left" as well.
 

Drex96 said:
@Howeda: Tubby may be at the top half of the BCS coaching line, but he's on a serious decline.
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I was being generous, he's far better then simply 'top half.' What is the evidence of this 'serious decline'?
 

Drex96 said:
Bingo. Carter left, Cobbs left, Royce left, Barnes left--to NC, C Joseph left--to Texas, etc. They say "where there's smoke there's fire" and yet you people still want to talk about roasting marshmellows.

Golden boy to goat--can't all be Devoe's fault. I'll say it again: monsters aren't born, they are created. It all comes down to coaching.
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Oh wow. Carter left becuase his sister has cancer; Cobbs left because he sucks and can't play in the Big10; Royce left because he was too stupid not to steal other people's stuff... or to know when the class drop date was; ridiculous to include Barnes and C. Joseph. They chose high profile schools that get multiple McDonald's All-Americans. Not to mention that C. Joseph's prep coach is in with Texas.

A player should never use a coach as a "reason for quitting." Most often kids quit because they are quitters and are looking for someone to blame.
 

@Howeda: Tubby may be at the top half of the BCS coaching line, but he's on a serious decline.

If this is true it has to be Maturi's fault, correct?
 

howeda7 said:
I get that this would allow him to play for them this semester. But how does it exempt him from sitting out a full year? If he can do this, couldn't any player just go play D-II or D-III for one semester and then go back to D-1 immediately?
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New Orleans is currently a D1 school. The exemption arises here due to the fact that after this year, they are dropping in classification from D1 down to D3.
 

station19 said:
@Howeda: Tubby may be at the top half of the BCS coaching line, but he's on a serious decline.

If this is true it has to be Maturi's fault, correct?
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Not sure if this is directed at me. I'm all for blaming things on Maturi ;). But Tubby isn't one of them.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
New Orleans is currently a D1 school. The exemption arises here due to the fact that after this year, they are dropping in classification from D1 down to D3.
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Has anyone succeeded using the loophole yet? Surely the NCAA isn't this dumb...oh wait.
 

howeda7 said:
Not sure if this is directed at me. I'm all for blaming things on Maturi ;). But Tubby isn't one of them.
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A general statement to those that feel JM is the cause of all evil in the world.
 

I think it may be as simple as playing time

and possibly poor grades. Many of us expected a break out year from Devoe this season, but it just has not happened. He does not start, his minutes have not been extensive, and I suspect he is upset that he is not the star he wants to be. We are all disappointed. Pure speculation on my part, but I think it is these combinations of things that have affected his attitude and caused him to consider transferring.

Tubby is tough-love type of mentor and sticks to his principles (which I agree with). If Devoe cannot accept this, then he should leave the program; however, I hope he sticks it out and finds his way with this team. I feel he is an important determinant of their success.
 

station19 said:
A general statement to those that feel JM is the cause of all evil in the world.
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Him and George Bush (or Obama depending on who you are.) Either way Maturi is the common denominator. ;)
 

jovs said:
The two players on this team that appear to me to being mishandled are Joseph and Williams. Certain players just are not going to react to being pulled from the game for one mistake. Those two seem to be the players on the recieving end the most. I thought Bostick was the same way last year. I think other players are given more leeway.
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Agree.

You can almost see Williams looking over his shoulder when he gets the ball in his hands during the second half of any close game. "If I never do anything, I can't do anything wrong."
 



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