Defending Weber

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Formo. he is absolutely beyond horrible. i could put on pads and throw better than him. and ive never played organized football in my life. i know how to lead a receiver. he doesnt. he has 4 different coordinators, none has worked. why? his lack of effort to improve. he is engulfed by his own ego as a big ten qb that he has not driven himself to improve in the least. look at the past 4 years. he still shows the same tendencies he had from the beginning. we just didnt notice it because he had a huge security blanket in decker. over half of his completions are the result of extra effort on the part of the WR. the other half are caught and then immediately tackled because they werent properly led out so they could catch on the run. the TD he had today where the guy was wide open was ridiculously bad defense. the guy let him get open, our WR STOPPED IN HIS TRACKS TO WAIT FOR A BALL, then weber threw it to him and he happened to be lucky enough to escape the defenders who realized they screwed up.

honestly i dont give a flying *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# whether or not alipate or gray can 'run' the offense to brews standards. all they need to do is be able to make simple throws and theyll be lightyears ahead of weber. thats all we need. we have enough talent on this offense to really do some damage (especially if gray stays at wr). the limiting factor here is weber. by far. hell our running back is a better QB than weber. its not like our play calling gets too complicated either. run middle, run middle, pass outside, punt. he passed a bit more today, but in general its just been such a small repertoire of plays that anyone could memorize those and run a few mixed up and do fine (and have more variety than now).

its great youre a gopher fan, and you seem to have defaulted to that to escape criticism, but sometimes you need to remove your maroon and gold tinted glasses and see the goddamn pile of crap we have wearing #8.
 

gopherphan said:
Formo. he is absolutely beyond horrible. i could put on pads and throw better than him. and ive never played organized football in my life.
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Sorry, didn't read past this.
 


I thought Weber played quite well today, but he still had a few bad passes. It was about as well as he is capable of playing.

The defense was terrible and the Gophs aren't going to win many (if any) shootouts with Weber throwing to terrible WRs. Gray is a decent WR but the rest are very average, and I'm being kind.
 



Agree that Weber is not the only problem, but for a 4yr. starter he hurts us more than he helps. Go back if you can and look at this game and find out how many times he killed a drive with a bad pass, wheather it was an overthrow or misread, unless you watch the game and what the consequences of his misques are, his numbers aren't that bad, but watching and sseeing is a whole diff. story.
The way the line is blocking and the rec. are catching and backs running, we should have a much more potent O than we have shown. We have to because we need alot of points with our Cosgrove led D.
 

I thought Weber had a good game. He looked great at times. He just can't make a big play when the game is on the line. He had chances in the last two series against Northwestern. He really did not look very good in either of them.
 

This year

I have not seen a QB on one of our opponents that I think Adam Weber is better than. I'd take all of them over Weber 8 days a week.

When the game is on the line, and there is a key third down, has he EVER made a play? maybe 3 out of 32?
 

Formo

Excuse me if I don't write a novel to make my point.

You admit that Weber is inconsistent but then say he isn't a bad QB? Well I got a newsflash for you. An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad QB. Case closed.
 



Oh balds...

All of those qb's got to play against our defense that was replacing 9 of 11 starters from the questionable defense of last season. What an advantage!

So, based upon what I saw yesterday, you could not possibly rank the NU qb more than one point better than Weber, and the NU qb got to play against our defense that has been torched by SD, USC, UNI and now NU.

Weber was JUST fine yesterday. Not perfect, but, he certainly kept the Gophers in the game just as much as the NU qb kept NU in the game. In the end, their defense made some plays that our defense didn't make.

As a team, the Gophers are just not very good, I fear. I felt badly for the players, I thought they had played hard enough and almost well enough to have won that game.

And Mr. Gray now has bad wheels. It may be hard for him to overcome that the rest of this season. His ailment is something that tends to take a long time to "go away..." Anyone who has ever suffered from it knows all too well how long it can take. I wish him good luck and rapid healing!
 

walrus -

I have a question - why do you feel bad for the players? They are the ones that are producing the results.
 

How much of Weber's poor passing translates to the TV screen? I think very little.

Watching Adam for 4 years in person has been like groundhog day. I keep thinking he'll finally get it, and he never does. It's just the same thing every game. He doesn't have the skill or talent to consistently move an offense down the field. Occasionally he over-achieves, but that's the exception and not the norm. I've never seen a more consistently inconsistent QB in my life.

All of his accomplishments and records reflect more on Brew's stubbornness and strange loyalty to him, than on his talent or skills.
 

LloydChristmas said:
How much of Weber's poor passing translates to the TV screen? I think very little.

Watching Adam for 4 years in person has been like groundhog day. I keep thinking he'll finally get it, and he never does. It's just the same thing every game. He doesn't have the skill or talent to consistently move an offense down the field. Occasionally he over-achieves, but that's the exception and not the norm. I've never seen a more consistently inconsistent QB in my life.

All of his accomplishments and records reflect more on Brew's stubbornness and strange loyalty to him, than on his talent or skills.
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HD broadcasts cover his poor passing extremely well. (Maybe that's the excuse Weber backers can use - the other Gopher QBs weren't on HD so they didn't look as bad! lol) HD broadcasts catch all of his bad plays except for some of his lack of vision and a bunch of the misreads that are out of the area of the screen. Fortunately, against NIU those misreads were completely obvious even with the limited view of football over the television.

Ironically, yesterday Weber probably had his best game since last year's Michigan State game. Of course, he completely failed when the game was on the line, and the rest of the game he played like an average Big Ten QB, but had he played at least as well as an average Big Ten QB for any full game throughout the past 2 1/2 years the Gophers would have had another 7-10 wins, easily; including 3 just this year alone.

One last thing, if Weber was so good, then couldn't he overcome the Gophers' other problems? Can someone explain to me why Northwestern often has a defense that gives up 30, 40 point in a game, yet WINS a lot of those games? I can - they consistently have good, smart offenses led by fast, competent QBs. And on that note, the fact that Gopher fans are jealous of Northwestern football, while a number of our fans just can't see failure when it smacks them across the face, just shows how low this program really is.
 



LloydChristmas said:
How much of Weber's poor passing translates to the TV screen? I think very little.

Watching Adam for 4 years in person has been like groundhog day. I keep thinking he'll finally get it, and he never does. It's just the same thing every game. He doesn't have the skill or talent to consistently move an offense down the field. Occasionally he over-achieves, but that's the exception and not the norm. I've never seen a more consistently inconsistent QB in my life.

All of his accomplishments and records reflect more on Brew's stubbornness and strange loyalty to him, than on his talent or skills.
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The poor passing is evident on TV as well anyone who thinks that Weber is anything other than a mediocre QB is watching him through the same glasses Brewster must because like you said he just doesn't have it. Four year starters in the Big Ten shouldn't perform the way he does plain and simple.
 

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Formo

Excuse me if I don't write a novel to make my point.

You admit that Weber is inconsistent but then say he isn't a bad QB? Well I got a newsflash for you. An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad QB. Case closed.
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Really? An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad one? Describe Eli Manning, will you? He's not a bad one. But an inconsistent one.

But, I digress. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds. I know you all hate Weber and won't change that. I'm just asking to stop looking at him through the hate lens and actually look at him more objectively.

The majority of my 'defending' him is really just rightfully removing our teams 1-4 record that's blamed on him and redistributing where it belongs.. On the rest of the team (mostly the defense).
 

Formo said:
Really? An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad one? Describe Eli Manning, will you? He's not a bad one. But an inconsistent one.

But, I digress. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds. I know you all hate Weber and won't change that. I'm just asking to stop looking at him through the hate lens and actually look at him more objectively.

The majority of my 'defending' him is really just rightfully removing our teams 1-4 record that's blamed on him and redistributing where it belongs.. On the rest of the team (mostly the defense).
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Hahahahaha. Holy crap. Eli Manning? GTFO with your nonsense.

And I am objective. Weber is a bad QB. That's an objective assessment. Anyone who asserts that Weber is inconsistent and also "not a bad QB" is the one who lacks objectivity. Get frickin' real.
 

Let me try to open your eyes with a different angle Formo.

What would you say is the most important position on any football team?
 


I love me some Weber Myth Engineers(tm). I am going to miss y'all next year.
 

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An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad QB. Case closed.
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This was going to be my point exactly, but you beat me to it.

I liken it to a surgeon - say he comes through on very risky procedures from time to time, but also kills many patients on what should be routine operations. Would you call him a bad surgeon? I know I sure as hell would.
 

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Formo

Excuse me if I don't write a novel to make my point.

You admit that Weber is inconsistent but then say he isn't a bad QB? Well I got a newsflash for you. An inconsistent QB is the definition of a bad QB. Case closed.
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favre is the most inconsistent qb in minnesota and he gets a free pass! not comparing just saying!
 

Favre is a winner who makes players around him better. He is inconsistent because he has the ability to be great. He also is still to stand in the pocket and take a big hit to make a play. Weber switches between ok to bad.
 

Silvio said:
Favre is a winner who makes players around him better. He is inconsistent because he has the ability to be great. He also is still to stand in the pocket and take a big hit to make a play. Weber switches between ok to bad.
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we have the one guy talking about you suck at qb when your inconsistent. we have you talking about being a winner and being inconsistent because of the ability to be great?

i will say this, weber was horrible last year. and no one argues the guy is "great," but he has been good this year! so however some of you feel about his total body of work, as of this year the kid has been solid.

now brett favre was a rock star last year, and now he looks like he aged 30 yrs in the offseason. the guy has been just bad this season. do i think he sucks at life? nope, i think he is having a bad year with circumstances out of his control!

like favre, weber has had a career of circumstances out his control. such as new coordinators, bad oline, weak rb's, bad coaching, etc. i believe weber is a decent qb with a terrible situation
 

Weber does have a terrible situation, but neither is he a decent qb, at least not in this century. He probably would have been a model college qb a lifetime ago, back when passing was something we did in the B10 just to see if it might work once in a while.

Geez, I've been watching this kid for nearly four seasons, hoping he would break through. I mean, we're Gopher fans and right now the single best thing that could happen that is within the scope of reality would be for Weber to break his pattern of inconsistency. His unpredictability makes playcalling tricky and even could have contributed to the coaches' thinking when calling a draw play late in the game last Saturday. Look at his passes! Over heads and onto sidelines without a fleck of pressure being applied in the backfield. Behind crossing receivers while enjoying an unfettered vision of the field. Short on many long patterns (Bennett had to stop and drink a coke while waiting for his TD pass, which when it did arrive had to be caught down around the knees), some of which has resulted in receivers not being able to walk across the goal line and forced us to line up at scrimmage in order to notch a TD.

I'm not a hater. Why would I want Weber to play poorly? The best thing for me as a fan would be to not be able to write a post like this. I watched him in practice prior to Brewster's first season and he struggled mightily with accuracy. Balls sailed out of receivers' reach, balls hit the turf far short of their targets and receivers routinely had to perform aerial acrobatics in order to successfully catch passes on crossing routes. At least two qb's on that practice field threw better, more consistent passes. But Weber has some things going for him, like size, physical toughness and some other intangible and we evidently don't have anybody who can take away his job. So it's not his fault that he's playing. He's doing what any of us would do if asked, which is giving it his best shot. That doesn't make him effective and it doesn't make those of us who see it haters. It just is what it is and unfortunately for us a qb must have, at the very least, a consistent passing ability. Doesn't have to be great, but coaches and teammates must know what they're going to get. Pinpoint passing about 50% of the time to receivers in full flight downfield loses its effect when you can't throw a wide receiver screen without threatening fans in the first row along the sidelines.
 

lakesgopher said:
favre is the most inconsistent qb in minnesota and he gets a free pass! not comparing just saying!
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Farve is the exception to the rule. He gets a free pass because you can't even begin to think about comparing he and Weber. Additionally, he's a better player in clutch situations. Where Farve has risen to meet challenges throughout his career, Weber has wilted.

I already feel dirty just typing both of their names in the same sentence. Please don't ever make me do that again. You should be whipped for even bringing Farve into the conversation. Shame on you.
 

How about Papa John? He tosses it a long way to the fat kid on the commercial.
 

Weber is no more the problem than he is the solution.

On a better team he's a better QB, on a worse team he's a worse QB.

I'm sorry but his supporting cast has been pretty damn poor. Yet he holds all the records. I'm not sure how that can ever equate to terrible.
 

Schnoodler said:
On a better team he's a better QB, on a worse team he's a worse QB.
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Wrong. On a better team he is a backup at best. And if he's not part of the solution, he is part of the problem. That's the way it works at the QB position.
 

Not that I don't think Weber could improve on his accuracy but just looking at the stats in the paper it didn't look as though he got out played by NW qb. His completion to attempt ratio was better than the other qb with the same number of interceptions(Webers came in our final play of the game unfortunately) for fewer yards. I didn't get the chance to watch the game but it appears to me that he is not the terrible qb some posters are making him out to be. He hasn't played terrible this season. Last season was pretty miserable but he seems to have improved this year. On a better team I would hope the receivers would be better allowing him to play better. Not saying he would be the starter but I do think he would be better with better receivers blocking. A lot of qb's would so this is nothing new.
 

No he's not. For too many 'not great' = terrible.

Terrible minds come up with terrible conclusions.
 

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