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I don't understand why my fellow students call for Weber's head. If you look at the stats, he is in the top 30 of almost every QB statistical category in the NCAA. So what's with the hostility? I think the defense is what needs fixed.
 

Agreed. When score 38 on south dakota and lose its not the offenses problem
 

The stats don't tell the story with Weber...it's just something you have to see for yourself...
 

Fumbling twice on crucial drives can be forgotten though, eh?

Face it. He's putting up numbers in garbage time against garbage teams. Now that Big Ten play is upon him, let's see how he does padding the stats during the last few minutes of losses against decent teams.

To quote one of my favorite coaches of all time, "Stats are for losers." I think he was referencing discussions such as this.
 

He doesn't have 'it'

What about the countless TD-less Big Ten games he's been under center for?

What about the countless third down/wide open WR/bad misses? I can think of about 3 just from Saturday night.

What about the fumbles? What about the horrible INT's?

Is he terrible? No. Is he a good college QB? No.

He's actually quite lucky as well. His pass to Gray last game sailed 4 feet over his head. Lucky for him Mcknight happened to be standing in the endzone ten yards behind him.
 


Weber is a bad passer, he panics at the first sight of a defender and he can be very careless with the ball. I think it is undisuptable that he would not be starting on over half of the B10 teams this year. It is because we have no solid qb that he gets all this playing time. But as was said above, the stats do not tell the story with Weber, it is his performance on the field that makes people call for his head.
 

I'm with the original poster.

I think Weber is a responsible choice to be our quarterback.

The problem, in my opinion, is that many see Gray as a gamebreaker. He's the guy who could make something happen instead of just manage the game.
 

weber is horrible. he piles up stats in garbage time when defenses play prevent so he gobbles up meaningless yards. even below average competent QBs win games now and then, and weber hasnt.
 

My girlfriend bought her brother (who goes to grad school in SD) a guest pass this season. He had maintained for the past two years that Weber was not a bad quarterback, but he was surrounded by bad players. In the middle of the 4th quarter of the USD game he looked at us and said "You guys were right about Weber, seeing him in person really tells a different story." Half of Weber's completions are not good passes. He doesn't lead receivers, he misses 8 yard crossing patterns, etc. etc. He is a lower level quarterback that has poor accuracy and is incredibly frustrating to watch.
 



Weber reminds me a bit of Bert Blyleven, who always seemed to get bitten by his mistakes.

My main frustration with Weber is his relative slowness in making his reads and his "happy feet." He should have red-shirted when Fisch was here.
 

Weber's stats are padded by defenses letting down once they feel they have the game in hand. Getting 30% of your yardage and 35% of your TDs after the opponents have packed it in for the game is not a good thing.
 

gophervet said:
Half of Weber's completions are not good passes. He doesn't lead receivers, he misses 8 yard crossing patterns, etc. etc.
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Exactly! I get so frustrated on most of his long completions that would be touchdowns if the ball wasn't underthrown. The receiver will be wide open and he is too conservative with the throw instead of leading the receiver.
 

Oh and QBs like Ricky Foggie and Mike Hoehnsee got criticized here too. So, it's not like he is being maliciously singled out. There is a historical aspect to it as well.
 



mapleleaffan5 said:
Agreed. When score 38 on south dakota and lose its not the offenses problem
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Don't you think it should be EXPECTED that the offense score 38 against South Dakota? Scoring 38 should not mean the offense went above and beyond. Weber misses some rather easy throws and then follows up with a terrific pass. Very inconsistent.
 

Weber is a solid, hard-working QB with average ability. He would be a great second-stringer, who could come off the bench and keep things on an even keel. But the Gophers desperately need a very good to great QB, given their overall competency. They need a playmaker, a Mr. Excitement. If Gray isn't that guy, then by this time Brew should have brought in a juco candidate (as he should have brought in juco running backs).
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Weber is a solid, hard-working QB with average ability. He would be a great second-stringer, who could come off the bench and keep things on an even keel. But the Gophers desperately need a very good to great QB, given their overall competency. They need a playmaker, a Mr. Excitement. If Gray isn't that guy, then by this time Brew should have brought in a juco candidate (as he should have brought in juco running backs).
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I agree - Weber would be a great second-string QB on a lot of junior varsity football teams. If the starter were to go down, he may be able to do a quality job handing the ball off.
 


Based upon your tough criticism of Weber (basically it sounds as though you really dislike him as a qb), that must mean that the back up quarterbacks (or should I say THE current backup quarterback) really has to be incredibly bad. Everything related to Gopher Quarterbacks must be really bad. Everyone who has ever played qb for the Gophers must be really bad. I watched Foggy play. You people really wouldn't have liked him very well. I enjoyed watching him though. He wasn't such a great passer. He was really inconsistant passing the ball. AllAmerican Sandy Stephens would have been someone you people didn't think much of as a qb either. But, I loved watching him play offense AND defense. He didn't throw the ball enough to even rank anywhere near being a good quarterback by your standards. And, what do you base your standards upon? Certainly no one who has ever played quarterback or has flung a pass for Golden Gopher Football has been a good quarterback. That jc qb from California who qb'd the Gophers to that win over THE Ohio State in 2000 was certainly not a very good passer or qb. No quarterback the Gophers have EVER had would be good enough for such a tough crowd. I recall that nobody thought Asad was much of a qb. Or Cupito. Or Cockerham. Sauter had some nice games but he sure as heck didn't win very many Big Ten or any other kind of games.

Isn't it ironic that a truely bad qb like Weber holds all the records? But The U of M Fans don't qualify as being very good critics of quarterbacks. How could they? We have NEVER had a good quarterback in the history of our program. Doesn't the fact that Weber holds all the records PROVE that? And he has had four offensive coordinators, two head coaches, no offensive line and only one great receiver to have worked with. How BAD is that? NO other U of M qb had that many great coaches. He got to run the spread, the fisch and now the pro offense all under Brewster. He broke in under the Mason system. He could publish a book called "offenses I have had to learn..."

Personally, I respct Weber a LOT. In many cases, he has played the most key role for the Gopher offense during the previous three seasons and this season. I'd take a qb like Weber any day! After all, I am a Golden Gopher Fan and we have NEVER had a decent passing quarterback according to the standards that you folks hold Weber to. I must just be influenced by the "garbage time" stats he has compiled.

But, I will certainly defer to all of the expertise that everyone else has. So, I guess I must just not have learned after watching over 50 years of Gopher quarterbacks that even though Weber has done all that he can do with little to no support, no running game, no consistancy in coaching or offensive scheme, all his records mean nothing except that he was a really bad quarterback.
 

imthewalrus said:
Based upon your tough criticism of Weber (basically it sounds as though you really dislike him as a qb), that must mean that the back up quarterbacks (or should I say THE current backup quarterback) really has to be incredibly bad. Everything related to Gopher Quarterbacks must be really bad. Everyone who has ever played qb for the Gophers must be really bad. I watched Foggy play. You people really wouldn't have liked him very well. I enjoyed watching him though. He wasn't such a great passer. He was really inconsistant passing the ball. AllAmerican Sandy Stephens would have been someone you people didn't think much of as a qb either. But, I loved watching him play offense AND defense. He didn't throw the ball enough to even rank anywhere near being a good quarterback by your standards. And, what do you base your standards upon? Certainly no one who has ever played quarterback or has flung a pass for Golden Gopher Football has been a good quarterback. That jc qb from California who qb'd the Gophers to that win over THE Ohio State in 2000 was certainly not a very good passer or qb. No quarterback the Gophers have EVER had would be good enough for such a tough crowd. I recall that nobody thought Asad was much of a qb. Or Cupito. Or Cockerham. Sauter had some nice games but he sure as heck didn't win very many Big Ten or any other kind of games.

Isn't it ironic that a truely bad qb like Weber holds all the records? But The U of M Fans don't qualify as being very good critics of quarterbacks. How could they? We have NEVER had a good quarterback in the history of our program. Doesn't the fact that Weber holds all the records PROVE that? And he has had four offensive coordinators, two head coaches, no offensive line and only one great receiver to have worked with. How BAD is that? NO other U of M qb had that many great coaches. He got to run the spread, the fisch and now the pro offense all under Brewster. He broke in under the Mason system. He could publish a book called "offenses I have had to learn..."

Personally, I respct Weber a LOT. In many cases, he has played the most key role for the Gopher offense during the previous three seasons and this season. I'd take a qb like Weber any day! After all, I am a Golden Gopher Fan and we have NEVER had a decent passing quarterback according to the standards that you folks hold Weber to. I must just be influenced by the "garbage time" stats he has compiled.

But, I will certainly defer to all of the expertise that everyone else has. So, I guess I must just not have learned after watching over 50 years of Gopher quarterbacks that even though Weber has done all that he can do with little to no support, no running game, no consistancy in coaching or offensive scheme, all his records mean nothing except that he was a really bad quarterback.
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Stop It...

Sauter>Weber
Fleetwood>Weber
Cupito>Weber
Cockerham>Weber
Khaliq>Weber
 

imthewalrus said:
Based upon your tough criticism of Weber (basically it sounds as though you really dislike him as a qb), that must mean that the back up quarterbacks (or should I say THE current backup quarterback) really has to be incredibly bad. Everything related to Gopher Quarterbacks must be really bad. Everyone who has ever played qb for the Gophers must be really bad. I watched Foggy play. You people really wouldn't have liked him very well. I enjoyed watching him though. He wasn't such a great passer. He was really inconsistant passing the ball. AllAmerican Sandy Stephens would have been someone you people didn't think much of as a qb either. But, I loved watching him play offense AND defense. He didn't throw the ball enough to even rank anywhere near being a good quarterback by your standards. And, what do you base your standards upon? Certainly no one who has ever played quarterback or has flung a pass for Golden Gopher Football has been a good quarterback. That jc qb from California who qb'd the Gophers to that win over THE Ohio State in 2000 was certainly not a very good passer or qb. No quarterback the Gophers have EVER had would be good enough for such a tough crowd. I recall that nobody thought Asad was much of a qb. Or Cupito. Or Cockerham. Sauter had some nice games but he sure as heck didn't win very many Big Ten or any other kind of games.

Isn't it ironic that a truely bad qb like Weber holds all the records? But The U of M Fans don't qualify as being very good critics of quarterbacks. How could they? We have NEVER had a good quarterback in the history of our program. Doesn't the fact that Weber holds all the records PROVE that? And he has had four offensive coordinators, two head coaches, no offensive line and only one great receiver to have worked with. How BAD is that? NO other U of M qb had that many great coaches. He got to run the spread, the fisch and now the pro offense all under Brewster. He broke in under the Mason system. He could publish a book called "offenses I have had to learn..."

Personally, I respct Weber a LOT. In many cases, he has played the most key role for the Gopher offense during the previous three seasons and this season. I'd take a qb like Weber any day! After all, I am a Golden Gopher Fan and we have NEVER had a decent passing quarterback according to the standards that you folks hold Weber to. I must just be influenced by the "garbage time" stats he has compiled.

But, I will certainly defer to all of the expertise that everyone else has. So, I guess I must just not have learned after watching over 50 years of Gopher quarterbacks that even though Weber has done all that he can do with little to no support, no running game, no consistancy in coaching or offensive scheme, all his records mean nothing except that he was a really bad quarterback.
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I might be in the minority, but I thought Cockerham, AAK and Cupito were all decent. Not great, but reasonably effective in the systems they were in. I just can't say that about Weber. I have no doubts about his character, and I bet he'll be successful in life, but I just don't think he's the best option at quarterback. Give Gray a chance! If he fails, he fails, but I hate to think he's not playing because he MIGHT fail. It can't get any worse.
 

I'll defend Weber as long as he's being falsely prosecuted. I don't think he's a great QB. But he's good enough, and our problems THIS YEAR aren't with him. He is one of the FEW bright spots on this team.

My problem is with the Gray jock-sniffers that can't pull their head out of his crotch long enough to see what the hell is going on. They'd rather bury their faces in his lap exclaiming great things he COULD bring to the table instead of actually realizing he hasn't proven he's a better QB (yet). Don't go on about how he didn't the the time, either. Last year he looked shaky at best (more so than Weber), and during the scrimmages he looked more inconsistent than Weber (which, admittedly, is pretty inconsistent). I love how people whine about his lack of putting points up against the Big Ten last year.. Yeah.. Do you remember who our effin' OC was last year? The guy was a moron. Our problems with last years offense was 95% his fault. The other 5% could be given to the actual players (including Web).

No, I don't hate Gray.. But it's VERY obvious that many that are calling for Weber's head hate him.
 

Formo said:
I'll defend Weber as long as he's being falsely prosecuted. I don't think he's a great QB. But he's good enough, and our problems THIS YEAR aren't with him. He is one of the FEW bright spots on this team.

My problem is with the Gray jock-sniffers that can't pull their head out of his crotch long enough to see what the hell is going on. They'd rather bury their faces in his lap exclaiming great things he COULD bring to the table instead of actually realizing he hasn't proven he's a better QB (yet). Don't go on about how he didn't the the time, either. Last year he looked shaky at best (more so than Weber), and during the scrimmages he looked more inconsistent than Weber (which, admittedly, is pretty inconsistent). I love how people whine about his lack of putting points up against the Big Ten last year.. Yeah.. Do you remember who our effin' OC was last year? The guy was a moron. Our problems with last years offense was 95% his fault. The other 5% could be given to the actual players (including Web).

No, I don't hate Gray.. But it's VERY obvious that many that are calling for Weber's head hate him.
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Yep, I hate him. That must be it. Has nothing to do with being ineffective.
 

CP Gopher said:
Yep, I hate him. That must be it. Has nothing to do with being ineffective.
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Then feel free to enroll and show us an effective QB. I didn't say ALL that call for Web's head hate him. I said many.
 

Cockerham, AAK and Cupito each had a running attack to take the heat off them. They all had better offenive lines to play behind. Any of them who ever threw to Ron Johnson certainly had a great receiver to throw to. They all had MORE to enhance their limited abilities. Brewster just hasn't been able to put a supporting cast out there. That is on him. Weber can't help that. IF Weber could have played for a Mason offensive program, he would have most likely been the best of those three. But, Cockerham sure did have sweet feet! When he would hit the seam he could run and run and run. And, the shoot out he had against Oregon in the Sun Bowl Game was an incredible memory. In some ways, he was my favorite of those three qb's.

Quite frankly, I've liked most of the Gopher quarterbacks I have seen play quite a lot. Weber included. But, I guess I always take a look at how much support a quarterback has around him out on the football field. A great running game helps a LOT. So does a Decker, Ron Johnson, Ryan Thelwell, Tutu Atwell, or to go back a lot of decades, Charlie Sanders, Aaron Brown or any number of other great receivers.

I just can NOT believe the way people around here hate on Weber. But, do as you wish. I will simply wash my hands of the situation. I can't change what you think. And none of you will ever come close to bringing Adam Weber down. When it is all said and done, fifty years from now, people will only see who the long-time passing record holder for the University of Minnesota Football Program is. None of you can change that. None of you can do anything about that.

As for me, I will always just say THANK YOU to Adam Weber. He could not pick the time to play football at the U of M. He could not pick the coaching staff. He could not pick his supporting cast. All he has ever done is to answer the call when his coach told him he would start the game at quarterback. And, he always played. He even played when he was hurt. He played against all odds. He never made excuses. He was always more stand up than his coaches were.

He played in spite of the jeers of his peers in the student section. He played in spite of twenty somethings, thirty somethings and old guys disliking him. He played and he played and he played.

Adam Weber is one heck of a player and I will remember him and will be thankful that he was a Golden Gopher Football Player. Thank you Adam Weber! The best of everything to you! You have showed this old and long-time Golden Gopher Football Fan one hell of a lot! Good luck tomorrow!
 

Ewert86PC said:
Oh and QBs like Ricky Foggie and Mike Hoehnsee got criticized here too. So, it's not like he is being maliciously singled out. There is a historical aspect to it as well.
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Hohensee to White down the sideline. He scores!

I always liked that combo.
 


A 4 year starter at qb shouldn't be so jittery in the pocket. A 4 year starter at qb in the Big 10 should not lose to south dakota or northern illinois. Again, the only reason he holds passing records is because of the spread offense the first 2 years and always being down big.
 

The problem I have with Weber is that he is so inconsistant and he seems to get worse with each year. There is no way a 4 year starter in the Big Ten should look so rattled in the pocket. I'm not saying Gray will be the answer but it would be nice to see him get some of the same opportunities we gave Weber for so long, but Brewster seems afraid to even give his prize recruit a shot at the position he was brought in to play as long as Weber is in the fold.
 

Did you watch those games?

monsonville said:
A 4 year starter at qb shouldn't be so jittery in the pocket. A 4 year starter at qb in the Big 10 should not lose to south dakota or northern illinois. Again, the only reason he holds passing records is because of the spread offense the first 2 years and always being down big.
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I'll be the first to admit that Weber often frustrates the hell out of me, but did you watch the SD and Northern Illinois games? Those losses are not on Weber. Was Weber supposed to be playing defense?
 

Gray won't play at QB. How do you bench 3 time captain/4 year starting QB? You can't! At that point the coach will have to admit defeat.
 

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