Dawson Garcia Entering The Transfer Portal


I get it, it’s frustrating being a fan of college hoops right now and I’m with ya. I was just throwing that number out based off tweets and other posts about what other guys may or may not be getting. I’m not trying to act like I know anything. Just making a point that whatever he is worth we will probably not be able to afford it. He should grab whatever he can if he can. Probably could have worded it like that the first time but the amount wasn’t the actual point.
Here…I’m going to throw a number out there. $49,345.37. I think that is what Parker Fox got last year.
Anyone want to dispute this?
Anyone?
Nobody can because they don’t know.
That’s how ridiculous when posters or so called journalists throw out numbers like they do.
THEY DON’T KNOW!
 


Here…I’m going to throw a number out there. $49,345.37. I think that is what Parker Fox got last year.
Anyone want to dispute this?
Anyone?
Nobody can because they don’t know.
That’s how ridiculous when posters or so called journalists throw out numbers like they do.
THEY DON’T KNOW!
For clarification purposes, please refer to the video on U of M officials preparing their final offers for transfer prospects:

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Here…I’m going to throw a number out there. $49,345.37. I think that is what Parker Fox got last year.
Anyone want to dispute this?
Anyone?
Nobody can because they don’t know.
That’s how ridiculous when posters or so called journalists throw out numbers like they do.
THEY DON’T KNOW!
I agree brother 🤙
 


Christ! Did Payne ever come out publicly and say this is what I’m getting paid and that’s why I’m heading to Maryland.
If not, it’s all bullshit! All he said she said. You know nothing.
The reality, and it stinks, is that there is wild money being spent to buy teams. The exact amounts, we don't know. But the evidence is there that the sums are very large. If they were not, these kids would not be running to the portal, with agents in hand, like it was the gold rush of 1849. You are in denial. There is no reason to lash out at posters who are just recognizing the obvious.
 

Now that academics and athletics have been completely decoupled, how can the NCAA's traditional rule of four or five years of eligibility hold? With all of the money sloshing around in the system Parker Fox is going to look like a short timer.

Why would Garcia hope to be a second round pick or a training camp free agent when he can make $1-2M/year in college.

Ironically, I think the NBA is going to have to adjust its back half of the first round and second round pay scales to compete with the colleges for players. Additionally, the NBA might have to guarantee second round contracts.
 

Now that academics and athletics have been completely decoupled, how can the NCAA's traditional rule of four or five years of eligibility hold? With all of the money sloshing around in the system Parker Fox is going to look like a short timer.

Why would Garcia hope to be a second round pick or a training camp free agent when he can make $1-2M/year in college.

Ironically, I think the NBA is going to have to adjust its back half of the first round and second round pay scales to compete with the colleges for players. Additionally, the NBA might have to guarantee second round contracts.
This is a reckoning of market forces. There hasn't seemed to be much of a market for professional basketball in the United States other than the NBA and WNBA. And other than, of course, this nascent NCAA pro association. If there was something that could compete with "college" basketball, it might emerge, but I don't think there will be. We're still dealing with one draft round of NBA sure things each year and one round of NBA hopefuls, and that's the extent of purely pro opportunities in the US. The new landscape of "college" BB is proving to be an employment enterprise for basketball players that didn't exist before and that spectators would actually show up to watch. I'll be curious to see if it maintains it's appeal when it becomes and is recognized as the professional league that never existed before because there was no market for it.
 

Now that academics and athletics have been completely decoupled, how can the NCAA's traditional rule of four or five years of eligibility hold? With all of the money sloshing around in the system Parker Fox is going to look like a short timer.

Why would Garcia hope to be a second round pick or a training camp free agent when he can make $1-2M/year in college.

Ironically, I think the NBA is going to have to adjust its back half of the first round and second round pay scales to compete with the colleges for players. Additionally, the NBA might have to guarantee second round contracts.
which is why they need a hard set number of years for playing in the NCAA....whether it 5 years or 6 years.
it cant be just play in college as long as you want type thing......thats just Minor League Basketball at that point.

The players, the coaches, the universities, the NCAA, the agents.....they all need to work together to resolve this mess together......as always in todays world.....me against the world attitudes all around
 



This is a reckoning of market forces. There hasn't seemed to be much of a market for professional basketball in the United States other than the NBA and WNBA. And other than, of course, the nascent NCAA pro association. If there was something that could compete with "college" basketball, it might emerge, but I don't think there will be. We're still dealing with one draft round of NBA sure things each year and one round of NBA hopefuls, and that's the extent of purely pro opportunities in the US. The new landscape of "college" BB is proving to be an employment enterprise for basketball players that didn't exist before and that spectators will actually show up to watch. I'll be curious to see if it maintains it's appeal when it becomes and it recognized as the professional league that never existed before because there was no market for it.
my opinon is this will wear off quickly on college basketball fans
 

which is why they need a hard set number of years for playing in the NCAA....whether it 5 years or 6 years.
it cant be just play in college as long as you want type thing......thats just Minor League Basketball at that point.

The players, the coaches, the universities, the NCAA, the agents.....they all need to work together to resolve this mess together......as always in todays world.....me against the world attitudes all around
It's interesting that the courts have focused almost entirely on the rights of players, but it's brought up the question of whether an entity like the NCAA or anyone has the right to organize an athletic association with rules and regulations. MLB has an antitrust exemption, but what rights do the other pro leagues have to restrict player movement and cap salaries? That's a serious question. Could this be the beginning of an age of chaos in all of sports?
 

If eligibility is extended, how long will it be until there's a lawsuit from a high schooler suing the NCAA because college basketball players are staying in college too long and infringing on a high school graduate's opportunity for a pay day?
 

If eligibility is extended, how long will it be until there's a lawsuit from a high schooler suing the NCAA because college basketball players are staying in college too long and infringing on a high school graduate's opportunity for a pay day?
...or that they should be able to compete at a college as a high-school dropout?
 



The players, the coaches, the universities, the NCAA, the agents.....they all need to work together to resolve this mess together......as always in todays world.....me against the world attitudes all around
You aren't wrong but there is zero chance those groups will all work together because they all have different goals in this.
 

Now that academics and athletics have been completely decoupled, how can the NCAA's traditional rule of four or five years of eligibility hold? With all of the money sloshing around in the system Parker Fox is going to look like a short timer.

Why would Garcia hope to be a second round pick or a training camp free agent when he can make $1-2M/year in college.

Ironically, I think the NBA is going to have to adjust its back half of the first round and second round pay scales to compete with the colleges for players. Additionally, the NBA might have to guarantee second round contracts.
Yeah, if none of the other rules matter, I do not see how there can be a legal argument against middling pro athletes "returning" to college. What would stop Tennessee from offering Will Levis $8 million to return to college?
 

X "I like playing college basketball."
Y "I want to keep playing college basketball.
Z "I can make quite a bit of money if I keep playing college basketball.

I can't make myself care anymore whether he plays or not for the Gophers next year. Mychal Thompson got screwed big time, but I miss those days.
I wasn't asking why he would want to return. I get all of that.

I am wondering what would be the reason he thinks he should be eligible to return. I might want to eat your lunch but when I am arguing why I might be entitled to your lunch I'd have to say things like "he owes me a lunch from last week", or "he owes me $8, so I'm taking it back in the form of this lunch" or "it's technically my lunch because I bought the ingredients".

I get why he would want to get another year, I'm just curious at what argument he is going to make that would justify creating an exception in the rules for him.
 

Yay.....more lawsuits......seems like that is all college athletics is anymore.

I have been all for the idea of Dawson coming back if he was granted another year but he has no case and continuing to fight this would just be dumb. He got 4 full years and a good chunk of a 5th. I get trying to hang on and squeeze as much money out of this messed up landscape as possible but the request was denied....time to move on.

They need to get back to some sort of eligibility standards at some point.
I think the only way would be contractually and Title IX is going to make that very difficult.
 


It feels like he is going to get another year. There certainly is a current hole in the roster that fits him well and I kind of feel like he could still be a Gopher. He has sacrificed a lot in the past to be here and it is likely we have enough money to make him happy to do it again here. This might be a lot of fun if he is able to do it. Somebody would have to explain to me why the roster Niko has lined up- plus Garcia- wouldn't be at least as talented as the CSU team he had that made a little run in the tournament.
You also thought it felt like Ben Johnson was returning...maybe take some Pepto ;)

The team might be as talented as the CSU team...but the Gophers don't play in the Mountain West.
 

I think the only way would be contractually and Title IX is going to make that very difficult.
Yeah.....hopefully a solution is found eventually to restore some sanity to all of this but I'm not holding my breath that it is going to happen anytime soon.
 

Yeah.....hopefully a solution is found eventually to restore some sanity to all of this but I'm not holding my breath that it is going to happen anytime soon.
Yeah, it seems like a reasonable solution would be best for everyone - players included.
 

Yeah, it seems like a reasonable solution would be best for everyone - players included.
Problem is that everyone seems to have a completely different definition of what reasonable is. Personally I thought the old eligibility rules were pretty damn reasonable (5 years to play 4) but apparently that is not the case.

Until they get some sort of handle on the money aspect, players, and those with a financial stake in whatever the players make, are going to keep filing lawsuits to try and extend college eligibility as long as possible in order to make as much money as possible in this unregulated system.
 

You aren't wrong but there is zero chance those groups will all work together because they all have different goals in this.

I don't share that view because professional sports associations manage to do just that regularly. Sometimes they don't manage to agree and strikes or lockouts result but, in between those, there are extensive periods of sufficient agreement with rules.
 

I wasn't asking why he would want to return. I get all of that.

I am wondering what would be the reason he thinks he should be eligible to return. I might want to eat your lunch but when I am arguing why I might be entitled to your lunch I'd have to say things like "he owes me a lunch from last week", or "he owes me $8, so I'm taking it back in the form of this lunch" or "it's technically my lunch because I bought the ingredients".

I get why he would want to get another year, I'm just curious at what argument he is going to make that would justify creating an exception in the rules for him.
Trying to be sarcastic. Athlete wants to do something; that's a good enough argument since there seems to be no rules.
 

I don't share that view because professional sports associations manage to do just that regularly. Sometimes they don't manage to agree and strikes or lockouts result but, in between those, there are extensive periods of sufficient agreement with rules.
I think college athletics will get it figured out eventually (hopefully) but it is far more complicated then pro leagues where you have far fewer teams and all the teams are setup similarly.

Instead of dealing with 30 teams all with owners and similar motivations, you have hundreds of schools, with multiple sports, and with wildly different levels of resources available to each school. The current model is unsustainable and eventually there will have to be more structure but it is going to take a long time to get there.
 

I think college athletics will get it figured out eventually (hopefully) but it is far more complicated then pro leagues where you have far fewer teams and all the teams are setup similarly.

Instead of dealing with 30 teams all with owners and similar motivations, you have hundreds of schools, with multiple sports, and with wildly different levels of resources available to each school. The current model is unsustainable and eventually there will have to be more structure but it is going to take a long time to get there.
Good summary! The "multiple sports" and "wildly different levels of resources available" hasn't been talked about enough, going back to the genesis of players sharing in the bounty. That whole reform and the media coverage of it was from the myopic standpoint of major-conference programs and revenue sports.
 

I am shocked to hear that people posting on this board are saying Garcia should move on or he isn't worth signing. Regardless of the reason, here are Torvik's analytically derived top 30 players in NCAA bb this past season:

Stirtz Drake
Thornton OSU
Kalkenbrenner Creight
Flagg (Dook)
Kaufman-Renn (Pur)
Broome (Aub)
Smith (Pur)
Jones (Marq)
Degenhart (BoisSt)
Tonje (Wis)
Clayton, Jr. (Fla)
Small (WVU)
Tait-Jones (UCSD)
Cryer (Hou)
McMillian (TexT)
Knueppel (Dook)
Omier (Bayl)
Clifford (CSU)
Toppin (TexT)
Saunders (BYU)
Newell (Georgia)
Sears (Alab)
Darling (IdahoSt)
Cluff (SoDakSt)
Lendeborg (UAB)
Hubbard (MissSt)
Garcia (MN)
Dent (NMU)
Harper (Rutg)

I would take Garcia over at least 15 of those guys. If Dawson can stay in a Gopher uniform, the Univ. would be crazy to not sign him esp. if he wants to stay in MN, which he clearly has indicated. MN fans and posters on this board seem to feel the grass is always greener elsewhere and it isn't. Not even close. Even at $1-1.5M that should leave enough to sign a rim protector. If Garcia can reestablish eligibility and runs for a higher paycheck, so be it for him.
Asuma, Willis Jr., Reynolds, Vaihola, Durkin, Omot, Crocker-Johnson, Garcia, Shinholster, Reader, Grove, (Rim Protector), 3 scholarship spots. Just my opinion.
 

I am shocked to hear that people posting on this board are saying Garcia should move on or he isn't worth signing. Regardless of the reason, here are Torvik's analytically derived top 30 players in NCAA bb this past season:

Stirtz Drake
Thornton OSU
Kalkenbrenner Creight
Flagg (Dook)
Kaufman-Renn (Pur)
Broome (Aub)
Smith (Pur)
Jones (Marq)
Degenhart (BoisSt)
Tonje (Wis)
Clayton, Jr. (Fla)
Small (WVU)
Tait-Jones (UCSD)
Cryer (Hou)
McMillian (TexT)
Knueppel (Dook)
Omier (Bayl)
Clifford (CSU)
Toppin (TexT)
Saunders (BYU)
Newell (Georgia)
Sears (Alab)
Darling (IdahoSt)
Cluff (SoDakSt)
Lendeborg (UAB)
Hubbard (MissSt)
Garcia (MN)
Dent (NMU)
Harper (Rutg)

I would take Garcia over at least 15 of those guys. If Dawson can stay in a Gopher uniform, the Univ. would be crazy to not sign him esp. if he wants to stay in MN, which he clearly has indicated. MN fans and posters on this board seem to feel the grass is always greener elsewhere and it isn't. Not even close. Even at $1-1.5M that should leave enough to sign a rim protector. If Garcia can reestablish eligibility and runs for a higher paycheck, so be it for him.
Asuma, Willis Jr., Reynolds, Vaihola, Durkin, Omot, Crocker-Johnson, Garcia, Shinholster, Reader, Grove, (Rim Protector), 3 scholarship spots. Just my opinion.
In the end I think if Garcia was eligible to come back and wanted to play here there would be very few posters that would truly not want him back on the team next year. I'm sure there would be a few but most would gladly welcome him back because he is a really good player and would definitely make next year's team better (how much so remains to be seen but we are highly unlikely to be able to land a big who is better than Garcia in the portal, there just aren't many of those guys out there).

I think the concern some have centers more on the team waiting on Garcia and missing out on other players because of it. I don't think that would happen but I do think some have that fear.
 

I am shocked to hear that people posting on this board are saying Garcia should move on or he isn't worth signing. Regardless of the reason, here are Torvik's analytically derived top 30 players in NCAA bb this past season:

Stirtz Drake
Thornton OSU
Kalkenbrenner Creight
Flagg (Dook)
Kaufman-Renn (Pur)
Broome (Aub)
Smith (Pur)
Jones (Marq)
Degenhart (BoisSt)
Tonje (Wis)
Clayton, Jr. (Fla)
Small (WVU)
Tait-Jones (UCSD)
Cryer (Hou)
McMillian (TexT)
Knueppel (Dook)
Omier (Bayl)
Clifford (CSU)
Toppin (TexT)
Saunders (BYU)
Newell (Georgia)
Sears (Alab)
Darling (IdahoSt)
Cluff (SoDakSt)
Lendeborg (UAB)
Hubbard (MissSt)
Garcia (MN)
Dent (NMU)
Harper (Rutg)

I would take Garcia over at least 15 of those guys. If Dawson can stay in a Gopher uniform, the Univ. would be crazy to not sign him esp. if he wants to stay in MN, which he clearly has indicated. MN fans and posters on this board seem to feel the grass is always greener elsewhere and it isn't. Not even close. Even at $1-1.5M that should leave enough to sign a rim protector. If Garcia can reestablish eligibility and runs for a higher paycheck, so be it for him.
Asuma, Willis Jr., Reynolds, Vaihola, Durkin, Omot, Crocker-Johnson, Garcia, Shinholster, Reader, Grove, (Rim Protector), 3 scholarship spots. Just my opinion.
We all would want him back as a basketball player. We are saying that if he is allowed back, college basketball as we know it is over. He has played 5 seasons of college basketball, if he gets a sixth, it's hard to imagine why he shouldn't get a 7th or why Luka Garza wouldn't come back to make $5 million in the NCAA rather than $1 million riding the bench in the NBA.
 

The reality, and it stinks, is that there is wild money being spent to buy teams. The exact amounts, we don't know. But the evidence is there that the sums are very large. If they were not, these kids would not be running to the portal, with agents in hand, like it was the gold rush of 1849. You are in denial. There is no reason to lash out at posters who are just recognizing the obvious.
Not lashing out. I don’t deny there’s money out there but when people throw numbers out there like they know or have info nobody else has is ridiculous.
 




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