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c'monman said:
what is your point on the FDIC Insurance? Paraphrasing Wikipedia doesn't work very well when you don't know what you are talking about to begin with.
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That is not off Wikipedia in any way shape or form. It's personal knowledge. It's called an education, look in to it.


The point is, idget, that fraud in the form of person to person is totally outside the area of coverage of the FDIC. Since you are to busy trying to flame everybody, I figured you made an simple mistake and tried to correct it without any intent at belittling you. Then you come back with some truly brainless attempt to do....I have no idea what. So, simple mistake became a simpleton's mistake.

Let's review: You implied that the FDIC has a firm limit on accounts of 250,000. Wrong, no limit exists other than common sense.
You also implied that the check come from Dasher's account. Wrong again, the check was from Boss's account, so any reference to doubting that Dasher has 250,000 in an account makes absolutely no sense.
You used the word fraud and the acronym FDIC together. Wrong yet again, local law enforcement and if money crosses state lines, the FBI if it is. The FDIC only guaranties that accounts will be paid back to the customer if the bank fails. No law enforcement is done by them.
Do you read the stuff you type?
 

dance4raiders said:
...And I know Donnell isn't a booster and doesn't support MTSU because I read. OMG! Yes... I read. It's in the article...
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Parts of the NCAA definition of "booster":

1 Are a present or past member of a university booster club or agency that promotes the intercollegiate athletic program;

2 Have made financial contributions to the athletic department or to an athletic booster organization of the university;

3 Are or have been providing benefits (e.g., summer jobs, meals, ect.) to enrolled student-athletes, their family members, or friends;

4 Are or have been involved in any manner of promoting the university intercollegiate athletic program;


"Booster" covers anyone who have spent a dime on the university. If you do any of the above you are a booster for life. It doesn't go away if you stop doing the above.

If you buy one ticket to one game, you are a booster.

Parents are considered boosters. A parent of player A cannot provide a meal to player B--really!

This is a very strict rule. Basically, the only way you could be NOT considered a booster would be if you gave something to an athlete without knowing who they are.

"Lending" personal money to a player makes you a booster, and guilty.
 

highwayman said:
Parents are considered boosters. A parent of player A cannot provide a meal to player B--really!
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I suppose a workaround would be to by a big meal for player A, and what player A can't finish, player B can eat. :D Would that mean that a player can't invite one of his teammates to his house over break?
 

dance4raiders said:
The checks have never surfaced. So the whole thing with the checks could be a lie. And I know Donnell isn't a booster and doesn't support MTSU because I read. OMG! Yes... I read. It's in the article. Go to DNJ.com and READ the article. They have the most updated information and to be honest, it sounds like Donnell is just running his mouth. He's an 80 year old veteran that lives at the VA...and you don't think he's going to have memory problems??? I work with people like that everyday. Even though they don't mean to lie, they do. It's just how their mind works. Also, Donnell claims that he's "not a snitch" and "never went to the police." But...guess what...campus police has a report where Donnell contacted them. And if he's "not a snitch," then why has he leaked this out to the entire world? I honestly don't trust this guy. Plus, nobody knows if Dasher "stole money to use it for gambling." The fact that Dasher gambles has yet to be proven. You can't blame something on someone with no proof. Dasher is innocent until proven guilty.
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Look, I have no idea what happened. Nor do you. The fact is that your own University notified the NCAA because the situation warranted such notification. Now, I'm betting your compliance department is crapping their pants pending the outcome of the investigation. You may be right - the investigation may run cold, and nothing may come of it. Whether it is proven or not, NCAA violations have occurred, and crimes have been committed. If your attitude reflects that of your athletic/compliance department - you guys are going to get hit harder than losing Dasher. Thankfully, I'm sure all employees at MTSU are above average MTSU employees, and should handle the situation appropriately.
 

FYI, I checked a few sites, and even home poker games (high stake or not) are illegal, even if there is no house taking a cut. It is one of (I believe) 3 states with that law.

I can host a poker game at my house in Minnesota, with any stakes I want. As long as there is no "house" or person acting as a "house" to profit from the playing of the game itself, there are no laws being broken. This is known as a "rake-free" game

In Tennessee it is a class C misdemeanor.
 


re3886 said:
That is not off Wikipedia in any way shape or form. It's personal knowledge. It's called an education, look in to it.


The point is, idget, that fraud in the form of person to person is totally outside the area of coverage of the FDIC. Since you are to busy trying to flame everybody, I figured you made an simple mistake and tried to correct it without any intent at belittling you. Then you come back with some truly brainless attempt to do....I have no idea what. So, simple mistake became a simpleton's mistake.

Let's review: You implied that the FDIC has a firm limit on accounts of 250,000. Wrong, no limit exists other than common sense.
You also implied that the check come from Dasher's account. Wrong again, the check was from Boss's account, so any reference to doubting that Dasher has 250,000 in an account makes absolutely no sense.
You used the word fraud and the acronym FDIC together. Wrong yet again, local law enforcement and if money crosses state lines, the FBI if it is. The FDIC only guaranties that accounts will be paid back to the customer if the bank fails. No law enforcement is done by them.
Do you read the stuff you type?
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you are so dumb I don't know where to start. The FDIC protects from bank failures up to 250K per deposit. Any additional dollars that is placed in an FDIC insured account is no longer insured. Limits do exist and are upheld by the federal government, common sense plays no factor in these LAWS.

Additionally, the FDIC does provide insurance programs through subsidiary programs to depositors against individual fraud protection.


I do understand that the checks were being drawn on Boss's account. I misspoke on my original post, for that I apologize:)

Get a life.
 

hyaluronic said:
Look, I have no idea what happened. Nor do you. The fact is that your own University notified the NCAA because the situation warranted such notification. Now, I'm betting your compliance department is crapping their pants pending the outcome of the investigation. You may be right - the investigation may run cold, and nothing may come of it. Whether it is proven or not, NCAA violations have occurred, and crimes have been committed. If your attitude reflects that of your athletic/compliance department - you guys are going to get hit harder than losing Dasher. Thankfully, I'm sure all employees at MTSU are above average MTSU employees, and should handle the situation appropriately.
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I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but the athletic department notified the SunBelt and NCAA out of practice. Not because they thought it was just a horrible ordeal. They even mentioned this early on. I think it will be handled appropriately, I never doubted that. I just don't understand how you could punish someone though, if you can't prove that he did anything wrong. That would be like the Salem Witch Trials. You're calling Dasher a witch, but you can't prove it. It's just finger pointing. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that we know something by the end of the week. It will really suck if we have to wait until game time to find out if Dasher gets to play or not.
 


c'monman said:
you are so dumb I don't know where to start. The FDIC protects from bank failures up to 250K per deposit. Any additional dollars that is placed in an FDIC insured account is no longer insured. Limits do exist and are upheld by the federal government, common sense plays no factor in these LAWS.

Additionally, the FDIC does provide insurance programs through subsidiary programs to depositors against individual fraud protection.


I do understand that the checks were being drawn on Boss's account. I misspoke on my original post, for that I apologize:)

Get a life.


I figured you meant Boss and not Dasher. Common sense tells everybody, as does the bank when you exceed $250,000 that any funds over that number is subject to loss. The Fraud programs of which you speak are run by Federal Trade Commission, not the FDIC, and is called Project Scofflaw.
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I hope Dasher plays. If he doesn't and we win the media will give us no credibility for the win.
 

Hey MN fans Who say that "your university would never let a thing like this happen"

can you EXPLAIN this to me?:

http://www.twincities.com/gophers/ci_15806372?nclick_check=1

LOL, clean as a whistle, indeeed! (sarcasm)

AND, look at that, still on the roster..

Yes, it's much worse to play poker than it is to drive drunk, flee police, and fight with them..

He hasn't and won't miss a game.
 

Check out the Fulmer Cup standings. We are having a pretty good offseason (though, that incident counts for a lot of it).

Anyhow, if memory serves me correctly, this offense happened relatively early in the offseason, and I believe the punishment was handled during spring ball. The biggest difference between the two cases is that one has NCAA infraction potential, the other does not. In both cases they acted like idiots. I haven't said, at any point, to kick Dasher off the team. Dasher's case has the feel that there could be some skeletons in the closet.
 





It worked for me briefly... it linked to Tinsley's plead deal.
 


tds2n said:
You may have not specifically said it, but many other's on the board have said as much.

MN would never let this happen.

He'd be off the team.. ETC.

Not likely..
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Link?
 

tds2n said:
Hmm.. working fine for me: http://www.twincities.com/gophers/ci_15806372?nclick_check=1

In that case just google Mr. Gary Tinsley and take your pick on any of his articles and or offenses.

You may have not specifically said it, but many other's on the board have said as much.

MN would never let this happen.

He'd be off the team.. ETC.

Not likely..
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I skimmed the thread, and certainly could have missed something, but I did not see anyone say, 'kick Dasher off the team.'

We all agree that what Tinsley did in the offseason was stupid.

You are defending a $1500 loan which has all sorts of implications and peripheral issues, the best of which can turn out to be "neutral" for MTSU and Dasher.
 

As sad as it is that this would be the reason, the Dasher stuff has possible NCAA sanctions that go with it, which tends to make schools react more severely. If MTSU feels what Dasher did is a major NCAA violation, I could see them kicking him off the team so they don't have to risk having wins voided. If it doesn't seem to be as major maybe a suspension for a game or two.

Schools have a much easier time dealing with penalties "in-house" for other types of rule breaking like fights, DWIs, etc. since the NCAA won't sanction the school for those type of violations.
 

RodentRampage said:
I'm not saying I don't want standards for the University of Minnesota. I'd just like the same standards to have to apply to everyone else too. This would be an enourmous scandal here.
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And Ogee is an obvious hater.

But, I gotta say the majority of you Goophers have been very cool.

No one is perfect,though, I definitely am not.
 

howeda7 said:
Look, this whole things smells fishy, but this is Middle Tennesee we're talking about. If we need thier QB to be out to win,we have bigger problems. I could understand the hype over this if it was Ricky Stanzi or Bucky, but it's not. If MTSU wants to win the Sun Belt so bad they'll cover thier eyes and ignore this, that's thier problem.

And who here thinks Joel Maturi would let Adam Weber play if this situation was reversed? Even ole Joel wouldn't need to dither too long on this one. The only question would be if he'd suspend him for the whole season right now, or only game-by-game.
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tds2n said:
And Ogee is an obvious hater.

But, I gotta say the majority of you Goophers have been very cool.

No one is perfect,though, I definitely am not.
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With regard to Rodent Rampage's comment about it being a huge scandal here... you have to understand our media. The Twin Cities (Mpls/St. Paul metro) media would investigate this and leave no stone unturned. Not only would no stone be unturned, but all of the op ed pieces would be tearing into the Gopher program, the individual player, and whoever else they could demonize. I don't know if we would handle the situation any differently, but understand the public pressure would be much more intense.

And again, with Ogee, you are trying to justify a shady situation. Let it play out, Dasher should not be defended nor prosecuted at this point.

<edit>And Howeda's comments - realize we had two players suspended indefinitely from our basketball program this season, one incident involving theft, which is comparable to this case.

The point being, people have justification for the points they are making. Right now, there have been no charges, and the U would be handling this exactly the way it appears MTSU is handling it.
 

hyaluronic said:
With regard to Rodent Rampage's comment about it being a huge scandal here... you have to understand our media. The Twin Cities (Mpls/St. Paul metro) media would investigate this and leave no stone unturned. Not only would no stone be unturned, but all of the op ed pieces would be tearing into the Gopher program, the individual player, and whoever else they could demonize. I don't know if we would handle the situation any differently, but understand the public pressure would be much more intense.

And again, with Ogee, you are trying to justify a shady situation. Let it play out, Dasher should not be defended nor prosecuted at this point.
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Yeah, I hear you. You seem very reasonable. What's funny, this is actually a fairly big scandle here.

For some reason, everyone here loves Vanderbilt and Tennessee. Even though Vandy is the Door mat of the SEC (and we swept them, 3 out of 3 times at their place!!) and everyone that attends that school is born with a silver spoon up their A$$. And UT, I guess I get it, but I can't stand anything Orange. There's a decent amount of Hostility / snubbing towards MTSU in the area because it basically became the largest university overnight

MT was finally getting credit for actually being the best team in the state this year. They could win the national title, and the old traditionalist in the media would force it to a back page story in the past.

BUT, as soon as the smallest bit of information about this came out, they made it the lead story on just about every news outlet, and it's probably the first time they made us the feature article of the Tennessean.

So, trust me. We're getting our fair share of "enormous scandal" treatment here.
 

Minneapolis612 said:
I hope Dasher plays. If he doesn't and we win the media will give us no credibility for the win.
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People!!!. Stop this nonsense!!!

This is Middle Tennessee State. While you and I know they are a solid team, the media in general in this town doesn't. Bottom line is we will get no credit for a win even if Dasher plays. This game is a classic no-win situation for a BCS Conference team. You don't get credit for the win, but if you lose its disasterous. So we might as well hope Dasher doesn't play so we can increase our odds of winning.

However, even if you believe the media will discount the win, it is STILL better if he doesn't play -

Please weigh the options of the choices:

A) Dasher doesn't play - Beat Middle Tennesse State and have the win discounted by local media
B) Dasher plays - Lose to Middle Tennessee State
C) Dasher plays - Beat Middle Tennessee State

The negative of B) far outweighs the negative of A). Thus, A is the prefered scenario in a choice between A) and B). C is obviously the prefered option of all of the choices if you had to choose one with no risk involved. However, the severe risk of B) again far outweighs the positive gain from A) to C). Again, A) is the preferred option in a choice between A) and C).

In my mind the media will not care if we win with or without Dasher - they will see it as beating a team we should beat anyway.

But even if you believe they will treat it differently - if you look at the options, it is better to play them without Dasher anyway to minimize the risk of a loss versus the risk of media perception in the twin cities market.

This team faces Marqueis Gray in practice everyday, so the argument of "It will help us to play against a mobile QB" doesn't wash. Gray is as mobile, if not faster, as Dasher - and they play against him every day. However, even if you use this as an argument against not wanting Dasher to play, the devastation of risking the outcome of choice B) above just to gain experience against a mobile quaterback doesn't make any sense either.
 

josh087 said:
People!!!. Stop this nonsense!!!

This is Middle Tennessee State. While you and I know they are a solid team, the media in general in this town doesn't. Bottom line is we will get no credit for a win even if Dasher plays. This game is a classic no-win situation for a BCS Conference team. You don't get credit for the win, but if you lose its disasterous. So we might as well hope Dasher doesn't play so we can increase our odds of winning.

However, even if you believe the media will discount the win, it is STILL better if he doesn't play -

Please weigh the options of the choices:

A) Dasher doesn't play - Beat Middle Tennesse State and have the win discounted by local media
B) Dasher plays - Lose to Middle Tennessee State
C) Dasher plays - Beat Middle Tennessee State

The negative of B) far outweighs the negative of A). Thus, A is the prefered scenario in a choice between A) and B). C is obviously the prefered option of all of the choices if you had to choose one with no risk involved. However, the severe risk of B) again far outweighs the positive gain from A) to C). Again, A) is the preferred option in a choice between A) and C).

In my mind the media will not care if we win with or without Dasher - they will see it as beating a team we should beat anyway.

But even if you believe they will treat it differently - if you look at the options, it is better to play them without Dasher anyway to minimize the risk of a loss versus the risk of media perception in the twin cities market.

This team faces Marqueis Gray in practice everyday, so the argument of "It will help us to play against a mobile QB" doesn't wash. Gray is as mobile, if not faster, as Dasher - and they play against him every day. Even if you use this as an argument, the devastation of risking the outcome of choice B) above just to gain experience against a mobile quaterback doesn't make any sense either.
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I totally agree with you, for the record. I'm all about taking the low hanging fruit while it is there. We will have PLENTY of chances to "prove" ourselves and be macho against USC and the rest of the top half of the Big Ten.
 

By the way - I'm not all for just trying to take the easy way out of things.

As an example - Take the Ohio State game this year, and let's say there's a chance Terrelle Pryor will be out. I actually would hope Pryor plays, because it is a game we are supposed to lose anyway, but if we win with Pryor in, think of what it could do for the program. But if Pryor is out and we win, it will always have that asterisk to it, because Pryor is one of the stars of the game.

Of course, he could be in and we beat him and the media just thinks he wasn't playing - as did everyone when we beat OSU and Evan Turner this winter. That would be typical Gophers respect.
 

tds2n said:
Yeah, I hear you. You seem very reasonable. What's funny, this is actually a fairly big scandle here.

For some reason, everyone here loves Vanderbilt and Tennessee. Even though Vandy is the Door mat of the SEC (and we swept them, 3 out of 3 times at their place!!) and everyone that attends that school is born with a silver spoon up their A$$. And UT, I guess I get it, but I can't stand anything Orange. There's a decent amount of Hostility / snubbing towards MTSU in the area because it basically became the largest university overnight
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God I can not stand Vandy. They are probably my most hated team. It was sweet being at the game in '05 when MT blocked their gw FG attempt. I must admit though, I am also a Vols fan. :eek:
 


Well, MTSU's undergraduate population is slightly greater, perhaps that is what tds2n meant.
 

hyaluronic said:
Well, MTSU's undergraduate population is slightly greater, perhaps that is what tds2n meant.
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Yes, MT has the highest undergrad population in the state. UT includes enrollment from their grad programs, which are spread throughout the state, but not centered in Knoxville. Such as their medical and pharmacy schools in Memphis, etc.
 

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