Dasher's status still uncertain

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Legally speaking gambling (in the manner we are discussing) is not illegal.

What the NCAA does about it is another matter entirely. Also, with the "speed" that the NCAA works, the only people who may suffer from this are the members on next years squad. Dasher is a senior, correct? I could look it up, but I'm not going to. The fallout may not be felt until after some manner of investigation, and that theoretically could be 2 to 18 months out.
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Yeah, I think that's what the committee is for. If they find he did infact gamble on games ect.. He's done. They won't risk future probation. Stockstill is a stickler for that. Last year our lead receiver got into a domestic dispute with his girlfriend and he cut him from the team, once a proper investigation had been done. He brought our teams graduation rate out from the cellar towards the top of the NCAA he's s stand up guy.
 

I just think the old man is lying. #1. He can't produce the so called "stolen" checks. #2. He can't prove the money was a loan. #3. He claims MT hired a consulting firm to interview him but he can't name the firm, who he spoke to, and he apparently denied having his interview videotaped for proof. Hmm...if you're innocent, wouldn't you want your interview videotaped to prove it?!?! Something is just not right with this guy. I hope the NCAA makes a decision soon.
I also think Stockstill and Massaro would have internally punished Dasher already or at least let Kilgore practice more. But, practices have stayed the same, mainly working with Dasher as QB and no punishment has been given.
 

dance4raiders said:
I just think the old man is lying. #1. He can't produce the so called "stolen" checks. #2. He can't prove the money was a loan. #3. He claims MT hired a consulting firm to interview him but he can't name the firm, who he spoke to, and he apparently denied having his interview videotaped for proof. Hmm...if you're innocent, wouldn't you want your interview videotaped to prove it?!?! Something is just not right with this guy.
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Or he's 80.
 

This whole fiasco reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Uncle Leo steals books from Brentanos.

"I'm an old man. I'm confused! I thought I paid for it. What's my name? Will you take me home?"
 




-Contrary to what you've learned from Disney's classic movie about the subject, a blank check has no value, and possession of one is not illegal. (But the only reason to have one, intent to defraud, is illegal of course.)

-There has been nothing to indicate that this man is a "representative of the university".

-And also, the university obviously isn't trying to hide anything. They went to the NCAA immediately. I don't anticipate any program sanctions. I do believe Dasher will be suspended for up to 4 games, but I don't know if that decision will come in time for Minn.
 

lets just kick their you know what with, or without Dasher. This team don't scare me. Who did they beat last year? Maryland, the same Maryland who went 2-10 and should had lost to James Madison and lost to Duke and a horrible Virginia team. We should not be scared of these guys!! We should roll in their with a chip on our shoulders knowing these guys have no business playing on the same field like the Gophers did when they rolled into Bowling Green two seasons ago!! I for one say bring on Dasher, let's coach them up!!!
 

tds2n said:
Yeah, I think that's what the committee is for. If they find he did infact gamble on games ect.. He's done. They won't risk future probation. Stockstill is a stickler for that. Last year our lead receiver got into a domestic dispute with his girlfriend and he cut him from the team, once a proper investigation had been done. He brought our teams graduation rate out from the cellar towards the top of the NCAA he's s stand up guy.
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I should hope that he'd be a stickler for that, as gambling on games is one of the most severe NCAA offenses that you could do. If I coach overlooked gambling on games, that coach would be risking never working again, and the sanctions on the school would likely be extremely severe.
 



"I'm an attorney. Unfortunately, Boss doesn't get the choice of whether or not Dasher gets indicted on a theft charge. If the DA proceeds on behalf of the state with probable cause that the crime has been commuted, Boss, the victim, doesn't get a vote. It's a common misconception that a victim "can not press charges." that's not true. Once a complaint is filed, the state makes that call. The victim can be uncooperative and that may kill the case or he can change his story and commit a crime himself, but he can't just say "Oh never mind."

Theft over $1000 are a D felony - 2-4 yrs. The question who's the victim? Not the old man, he loaned the money to DD. Boss? yes but he's not out $1500. So I'm not sure there was a crime completed. Maybe an attempt. But that's what attorneys argue over.

The bigger worry is the gambling. What has he been gambling, where, with who, did he bet on games. That is a much more serious issue criminally and with the NCAA. and we just don't know that right now.

And the old man had a verbal agreement to loan $1500 to DD. He wants his money. That's civil like you point out (except it's up to $25k in general sessions). He can get a judgment on DD and collect after he graduates. It's the underlying stuff that's troublesome.

At the end of the day, I'd argue if there's no criminal case because what's been stolen?, no evidence of gambling on games, and the old man gets his money - Dwight plays.

Boys, there's no truth, just proof."

Above is what an attorney says about the Dasher situation at gomiddle.com. To be honest, I believe him. The old man seems to be either lying or has no proof. And Dasher has no proof of gambling. I don't think there is a case here.
 

dance4raiders said:
"I'm an attorney. Unfortunately, Boss doesn't get the choice of whether or not Dasher gets indicted on a theft charge. If the DA proceeds on behalf of the state with probable cause that the crime has been commuted, Boss, the victim, doesn't get a vote. It's a common misconception that a victim "can not press charges." that's not true. Once a complaint is filed, the state makes that call. The victim can be uncooperative and that may kill the case or he can change his story and commit a crime himself, but he can't just say "Oh never mind."

Theft over $1000 are a D felony - 2-4 yrs. The question who's the victim? Not the old man, he loaned the money to DD. Boss? yes but he's not out $1500. So I'm not sure there was a crime completed. Maybe an attempt. But that's what attorneys argue over.

The bigger worry is the gambling. What has he been gambling, where, with who, did he bet on games. That is a much more serious issue criminally and with the NCAA. and we just don't know that right now.

And the old man had a verbal agreement to loan $1500 to DD. He wants his money. That's civil like you point out (except it's up to $25k in general sessions). He can get a judgment on DD and collect after he graduates. It's the underlying stuff that's troublesome.

At the end of the day, I'd argue if there's no criminal case because what's been stolen?, no evidence of gambling on games, and the old man gets his money - Dwight plays.

Boys, there's no truth, just proof."

Above is what an attorney says about the Dasher situation at gomiddle.com. To be honest, I believe him. The old man seems to be either lying or has no proof. And Dasher has no proof of gambling. I don't think there is a case here.
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Welcome back! And here we thought we'd never get all your great insight again.
 

I can't remember where I saw it, but I believe that there was some speculation that MTSU might hold Dasher out of some games if it was looking like NCAA action was coming, so as not to have to deal with the fallout later, i.e. forfeit games, etc.
 




jerdogg1 said:
I can't remember where I saw it, but I believe that there was some speculation that MTSU might hold Dasher out of some games if it was looking like NCAA action was coming, so as not to have to deal with the fallout later, i.e. forfeit games, etc.
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That's true. MT won't play him if NCAA doesn't make a decision by game time. That way, if he is found guilty or made any violation, our wins won't be forfeited. Rather be safe than sorry.
 

dance4raiders said:
"I'm an attorney. Unfortunately, Boss doesn't get the choice of whether or not Dasher gets indicted on a theft charge. If the DA proceeds on behalf of the state with probable cause that the crime has been commuted, Boss, the victim, doesn't get a vote. It's a common misconception that a victim "can not press charges." that's not true. Once a complaint is filed, the state makes that call. The victim can be uncooperative and that may kill the case or he can change his story and commit a crime himself, but he can't just say "Oh never mind."

Theft over $1000 are a D felony - 2-4 yrs. The question who's the victim? Not the old man, he loaned the money to DD. Boss? yes but he's not out $1500. So I'm not sure there was a crime completed. Maybe an attempt. But that's what attorneys argue over.

The bigger worry is the gambling. What has he been gambling, where, with who, did he bet on games. That is a much more serious issue criminally and with the NCAA. and we just don't know that right now.

And the old man had a verbal agreement to loan $1500 to DD. He wants his money. That's civil like you point out (except it's up to $25k in general sessions). He can get a judgment on DD and collect after he graduates. It's the underlying stuff that's troublesome.

At the end of the day, I'd argue if there's no criminal case because what's been stolen?, no evidence of gambling on games, and the old man gets his money - Dwight plays.

Boys, there's no truth, just proof."

Above is what an attorney says about the Dasher situation at gomiddle.com. To be honest, I believe him. The old man seems to be either lying or has no proof. And Dasher has no proof of gambling. I don't think there is a case here.
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Well, I feel a lot better that you got this "unbiased" and unsolicited information from a person that frequents "gomiddle.com".

The NCAA is Dasher's greatest concern. You guys seem to be putting a lot of stock into whether or not he bet on games. Their issue is gambling period. Point being, gamblers get themselves into bad situations, on the hook for large sums of cash with the wrong people and are THEN much more likely to be forced to affect the outcome of a game to make good on a debt. Players who have thrown games in the past didn't start out throwing games. They got themselves into debt with the wrong people and had no choice.

It continues to amuse me that the Raider fans are apparently dead set on ignoring the issue of Dasher stealing from a teammate. I have no idea how some of the players are going to react and I would imagine a good portion of them are going to swallow it simply because they had high hopes for a good season as they rolled into camp. But nonetheless, as a former college player on multiple conference championship teams, I can't imagine something much worse than stealing from a teammate and getting caught.

You can try to say all you want about the checks not being cashed, he wrote "void" on them, whatever.... The fact is, Dasher went into this guy's personal stuff and took something that gave him access to all of Boss' bank information. I can guarantee you, if Dasher wasn't the star QB, most teams would have "voted him off the island" by now. You REALLY think he would have a chance of playing this season if he was a backup outside LB?

It amazes me that the Raider fans can continue to gloss over this part of the story.
 

are you by chance....

Gopher024 said:
Welcome back! And here we thought we'd never get all your great insight again.
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joking? I would like to see an example of "all your great insight" if you are not.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Well, I feel a lot better that you got this "unbiased" and unsolicited information from a person that frequents "gomiddle.com".

The NCAA is Dasher's greatest concern. You guys seem to be putting a lot of stock into whether or not he bet on games. Their issue is gambling period. Point being, gamblers get themselves into bad situations, on the hook for large sums of cash with the wrong people and are THEN much more likely to be forced to affect the outcome of a game to make good on a debt. Players who have thrown games in the past didn't start out throwing games. They got themselves into debt with the wrong people and had no choice.

It continues to amuse me that the Raider fans are apparently dead set on ignoring the issue of Dasher stealing from a teammate. I have no idea how some of the players are going to react and I would imagine a good portion of them are going to swallow it simply because they had high hopes for a good season as they rolled into camp. But nonetheless, as a former college player on multiple conference championship teams, I can't imagine something much worse than stealing from a teammate and getting caught.

You can try to say all you want about the checks not being cashed, he wrote "void" on them, whatever.... The fact is, Dasher went into this guy's personal stuff and took something that gave him access to all of Boss' bank information. I can guarantee you, if Dasher wasn't the star QB, most teams would have "voted him off the island" by now. You REALLY think he would have a chance of playing this season if he was a backup outside LB?

It amazes me that the Raider fans can continue to gloss over this part of the story.
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He wrote VOID on the checks before they were given to the old man. Therefore, he basically gave the man paper worth nothing. And it hasn't been proven that he stole the checks, which BTW, Boss is Dasher's roommate. The old man can't prove it was a loan and not a gift (which he is NOT a booster and doesn't even support MTSU). He also mentioned the so called "consulting firm" that he interviewed with, but he denied the interview to be taped, can't name the company, or name the person he spoke with. Something is just not adding up. There's also no proof showing that Dasher even gambled. Until there's proof, you don't have a case.
 

Right now, it's just a "he said-she said" story. We have absolutely nothing to prove anything. I'm just anxious to see if the NCAA will make a decision before game day.
 

Supposedly he handed him a voided check. "VOID" could have been written on the check at any point. And a voided check is not a worthless piece of paper. It has your name, your bank's routing number and your account number. People can do an awful lot with that information.
 

As a former resident of Chicago, and some knowledge of "loan sharks", the word used on the street was, your body is your collateral. And you bring your money to the table. But once they have their teeth into you, certain favors are asked in addition to the vig and repayment. Things like injury reports, inside information, and incentives to either beat or influence the number. It would be interesting to know when the "loan" was made and how MTSU managed the spread? And how much money was on a MTSU game?


Hello, NCAA?
 

re3886 said:
joking? I would like to see an example of "all your great insight" if you are not.
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I should have added one of these at the end to make it clear. :rolleyes:

I was just hoping that when she said she was through with this sight that she'd actually stick to her word.
 

RodentRampage said:
Supposedly he handed him a voided check. "VOID" could have been written on the check at any point. And a voided check is not a worthless piece of paper. It has your name, your bank's routing number and your account number. People can do an awful lot with that information.
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Apparently the check was voided when Dasher wrote his name over the top of his teammate's name on the check, thereby voiding it(brilliant BTW), and there were several checks written out as the gambling loss grew.
I've got to know why any MTSU fans would be ok with this and have this guy be the face of the program going forward?
Personally I'd love for him to play us in week one, it will test our young D right out of the gates.

The whole situation stinks, and really begs the question "What else has been going on in Dasher's life?" Is it so unlikely he may have other debts out there, and that eventually this gambling or his debts have the chance to leak into the football side of his life? Just not smart.
I can't see a supposedly upstanding coach like Stockstill playing this guy in the opener, especially if the university is investigating privately for liability and NCAA ramifications.
 

RodentRampage said:
Supposedly he handed him a voided check. "VOID" could have been written on the check at any point. And a voided check is not a worthless piece of paper. It has your name, your bank's routing number and your account number. People can do an awful lot with that information.
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like what....fraud? There is a reason why the FDIC limits (250K) exist. I doubt dasher has over 250K sitting at his bank.
 

dance4raiders said:
He wrote VOID on the checks before they were given to the old man. Therefore, he basically gave the man paper worth nothing. And it hasn't been proven that he stole the checks, which BTW, Boss is Dasher's roommate. The old man can't prove it was a loan and not a gift (which he is NOT a booster and doesn't even support MTSU). He also mentioned the so called "consulting firm" that he interviewed with, but he denied the interview to be taped, can't name the company, or name the person he spoke with. Something is just not adding up. There's also no proof showing that Dasher even gambled. Until there's proof, you don't have a case.
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You guys crack me up. Holy crap. So many holes in your approach I can't even decide where to begin. I think the problem is I'm still laughing so damn hard.

Boss is Dasher's roommate? And that somehow makes it better? Are you f'n kidding me? If the checks weren't stolen, why did Boss file a report with the city police?

Not "proven" he stole the checks? They suddenly grew f'n wings and flew over to Donnell? Perhaps Donnell and Boss are in this together to ruin Dasher's career?

Donnell isn't a booster and "doesn't even support MTSU"? Really? Like this matters? You know this? You've seen the old man on game day and you know this because he wasn't wearing his Blue Raider Depends or wasn't actively cheering on the local team?

So I can assume if Dasher is found to have done absolutely nothing wrong he'll be filing defamation of character suits against all of the local Murfreesboro rags that are printing this information? Against the police as well?

This is classic. I need to go and check out this "gomiddle.com" and see how the rest of the natives are spinning this one. You guys are hilarious
 

Ole said:
Apparently the check was voided when Dasher wrote his name over the top of his teammate's name on the check, thereby voiding it(brilliant BTW), and there were several checks written out as the gambling loss grew.
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So, the checks were only implicitly voided, by writing his name over the top, not explicitly voided with writing VOID on the check? That makes more sense, the things that was odd about that is why he would give someone a voided check. If he didn't realize this voided the check, that makes more sense.
 

You can put a hundred million dollars into your account...

c'monman said:
like what....fraud? There is a reason why the FDIC limits (250K) exist. I doubt dasher has over 250K sitting at his bank.
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The government will only insure 250,000 of it, 500,000 per couple. The insurance covers different types of accounts.
The only sense of a limit is that it would be really dumb to keep uninsured funds in a bank. The protection exists to protect us (the general public) from the banks itself. The FDIC was created in 1933 after all the banks failed again in the depression and the owners continued to be rich and the depositors were left destitute.

Another point, It was not Dasher's check that were stolen, he did the stealing.

If Dasher had $1500, yet alone 250,000 we never would be talking about this.
 

re3886 said:
The government will only insure 250,000 of it, 500,000 per couple. The insurance covers different types of accounts.
The only sense of a limit is that it would be really dumb to keep uninsured funds in a bank. The protection exists to protect us (the general public) from the banks itself. The FDIC was created in 1933 after all the banks failed again in the depression and the owners continued to be rich and the depositors were left destitute.

Another point, It was not Dasher's check that were stolen, he did the stealing.

If Dasher had $1500, yet alone 250,000 we never would be talking about this.
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what is your point on the FDIC Insurance? Paraphrasing Wikipedia doesn't work very well when you don't know what you are talking about to begin with.
 

RodentRampage said:
So, the checks were only implicitly voided, by writing his name over the top, not explicitly voided with writing VOID on the check? That makes more sense, the things that was odd about that is why he would give someone a voided check. If he didn't realize this voided the check, that makes more sense.
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Yeah, apparently he either blacked out his teammate's name or just wrote over it somehow, thereby voiding it, kinda silly idea. I have to think somehow illegal also, I dunno.
 

Insurance fraud

More speculation here. The article refers to Dasher making a claim on his debit card being used fraudulently - see the excerpt from an article below.

[There's no indication whatsoever why Dasher asked for the money, or what he did with it, though the Journal notes he did file a report with MTSU police on June 22 claiming someone had fraudulently used his credit/student finanical aid debit card with "an estimated value allegedly (of) $1,000." ]

Given the debt he was in I speculate he was lying about his card being used. I am the farthest thing from a lawyer but if they find he was not telling the truth and got the $1,000 refund from the debit card cos insurance he could be in deep sh$t.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
You guys crack me up. Holy crap. So many holes in your approach I can't even decide where to begin. I think the problem is I'm still laughing so damn hard.

Boss is Dasher's roommate? And that somehow makes it better? Are you f'n kidding me? If the checks weren't stolen, why did Boss file a report with the city police?

Not "proven" he stole the checks? They suddenly grew f'n wings and flew over to Donnell? Perhaps Donnell and Boss are in this together to ruin Dasher's career?

Donnell isn't a booster and "doesn't even support MTSU"? Really? Like this matters? You know this? You've seen the old man on game day and you know this because he wasn't wearing his Blue Raider Depends or wasn't actively cheering on the local team?

So I can assume if Dasher is found to have done absolutely nothing wrong he'll be filing defamation of character suits against all of the local Murfreesboro rags that are printing this information? Against the police as well?

This is classic. I need to go and check out this "gomiddle.com" and see how the rest of the natives are spinning this one. You guys are hilarious
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The checks have never surfaced. So the whole thing with the checks could be a lie. And I know Donnell isn't a booster and doesn't support MTSU because I read. OMG! Yes... I read. It's in the article. Go to DNJ.com and READ the article. They have the most updated information and to be honest, it sounds like Donnell is just running his mouth. He's an 80 year old veteran that lives at the VA...and you don't think he's going to have memory problems??? I work with people like that everyday. Even though they don't mean to lie, they do. It's just how their mind works. Also, Donnell claims that he's "not a snitch" and "never went to the police." But...guess what...campus police has a report where Donnell contacted them. And if he's "not a snitch," then why has he leaked this out to the entire world? I honestly don't trust this guy. Plus, nobody knows if Dasher "stole money to use it for gambling." The fact that Dasher gambles has yet to be proven. You can't blame something on someone with no proof. Dasher is innocent until proven guilty.
 

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