Dan McCarney...

How many years did McCarney have to coach for you to come to that determination? Year six, was it?

McCarneys situation coming into ISU was significantly worse than Brewster and his teams didnt look like crap or get worse as the season progressed. If you dont want a guy that was big12 coach of the year at ISU then fine, continue the mediocrity that is Minnesota football. I should just listen to your opinion. You probably have better judgement than Urban Meyer, Barry Alvarez, or Hayden Fry anyways, but hey they sure wouldnt know a good coach would they? When Meyer was thinking of retiring, McCarney was a legitimate option to take over at Florida.

Brewster would get punked by McCarney in an evenly matched game. It wouldnt even be close.
ISU fans forced McCarney out because they wanted to win more and had unrealistic expectations for their program. Ames is a dump, their facilities are crap, and they are a patsy in the big 12. Even with all these limitations, he actually won recruiting battles against Iowa instate.

McCarney would excel in Minnesota with the tools he would have. A brand new stadium, a roster with some decent talent, and a state to himself that he could fence off.
 


McCarneys situation coming into ISU was significantly worse than Brewster and his teams didnt look like crap or get worse as the season progressed. If you dont want a guy that was big12 coach of the year at ISU then fine, continue the mediocrity that is Minnesota football. I should just listen to your opinion. You probably have better judgement than Urban Meyer, Barry Alvarez, or Hayden Fry anyways, but hey they sure wouldnt know a good coach would they? When Meyer was thinking of retiring, McCarney was a legitimate option to take over at Florida.

Brewster would get punked by McCarney in an evenly matched game. It wouldnt even be close.
ISU fans forced McCarney out because they wanted to win more and had unrealistic expectations for their program. Ames is a dump, their facilities are crap, and they are a patsy in the big 12. Even with all these limitations, he actually won recruiting battles against Iowa instate.

McCarney would excel in Minnesota with the tools he would have. A brand new stadium, a roster with some decent talent, and a state to himself that he could fence off.

Ugh....

I hate agreeing with Hawkeye fans.
 


serious? Dan McCarney took over a team that went 0-10-1 the year before. Brewster took over a team that went to a bowl game the prior year.

ISU hadnt been to a bowl game since 1978 when McCarney took over in 1995. Brewster took over a program that had been to a bowl game 7 of the previous 8 years.

When Brewster got started in 2007, the big ten was down.
When McCarney took over in 95 the big 8 in the final standings had the#1,#5,#7, and #9 teams in conference. None of these teams were the Oklahoma Sooners either.

go on though. I would love to hear more. If you honetly believe you were worse off then ISU 3 years ago, you got more problems than I thought.

McCarney with your renewed interest in the program and updated facilities would be a good idea.
 

If you can compete at ISU you can win at any big time school, getting them competitive is like getting MN. to beat Fla consistantly. Two nieces and 1 nephew went to ISU. Nice school, but the only pgm ever competitive is wrestling.
 


serious? Dan McCarney took over a team that went 0-10-1 the year before. Brewster took over a team that went to a bowl game the prior year.

Yes, and that 2006 bowl team suffered massive attrition due to graduation and ad off -the-field "incident". The 2007 team was statistically projected to finish last in the Big Ten. Why do you think Mason uncharacteristically attempted to sign a buttload of JUCOs before he was fired? Why do you think Brewster signed a buttload of JUCOs when he was hired?

Do me a favor and look at the 04-07 recruiting classes and appraise the talent that Brewster was left to work with.
 

Yes, and that 2006 bowl team suffered massive attrition due to graduation and ad off -the-field "incident". The 2007 team was statistically projected to finish last in the Big Ten. Why do you think Mason uncharacteristically attempted to sign a buttload of JUCOs before he was fired? Why do you think Brewster signed a buttload of JUCOs when he was hired?

Do me a favor and look at the 04-07 recruiting classes and appraise the talent that Brewster was left to work with.

Are you really saying that a program that loses alot from a bowl team is worse off than a team that did not win a single game, 94 isu cyclones? HAHA..... ok.. Doesnt change the fact the 95 cyclones were in worse shape

FWIW, I havent seen a Decker or VanDeSteeg out of anything Brewster has brought in. Or Marion Barber. Or Laurence Marouney. Or Eslinger. or Settlestrom.

Those classes were light years ahead of what McCarney had to work with in 95 fwiw.. again
 


What? Brewster never coached Barber, Maroney, Eslinger, or Setterstrom.

No but as bad as the majority of gopher fans make out Mason as a bad recruiter, Brewster doesnt even have one to match up to what Mason brought to the program.

Bring up Mason's recruiting as much as you want, He brought n players. Brewster isnt even impressive when it comes to recruiting.
 



No but as bad as the majority of gopher fans make out Mason as a bad recruiter, Brewster doesnt even have one to match up to what Mason brought to the program.

Bring up Mason's recruiting as much as you want, He brought n players. Brewster isnt even impressive when it comes to recruiting.

Mason was bad. Brewster is bad. It's a stale argument. Stick to how much McCarney will help us beat you. :)
 

So you think the current 06-07 classes are pretty good, do ya?


Wow! Is this guy serious?

I never said Masons 06-07 were ever good. I said they were light years better in terms of talent than what McCarney had coming in when he came to ISU which is an absolute fact.

You are the guy that thinks Brewster took over a program in rougher shape than McCarney had at ISU to which is 100% false. Its laughable how wrong you are here.
 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6592/index.htm
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In March, Iowa State announced that it would honor the contract it had signed in November with new football coach Dan McCarney, even after learning that his estranged wife, Brenda, had told police he had beaten her 20 to 30 times, beginning a few days before their marriage in 1986 and continuing periodically for nearly eight years.
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The McCarney case may be the least known of these recent episodes but is perhaps the most illuminating. The account that follows is from a police report Brenda filed with the Dane County sheriff's office in Madison, Wis., on March 6, 1994, just hours after the last of the alleged assaults took place. At that time Dan worked as defensive coordinator at Wisconsin, and he and Brenda were separated; he came by the house they formerly shared to pick up some furniture for an apartment. Brenda told police that Dan arrived earlier than an agreed-upon time, sneaked into the house while she was elsewhere and took things that weren't included in the couple's separation agreement. When he returned later that day, she told police, she demanded the return of a garage-door opener and a key to the house. Dan removed the key from the ring, threw it at her, hitting her in the face, and yelled "——you!" according to the report. He pushed her down, and when she attempted to call 911, she said, he ripped the phone cord from the wall.

Dan, who's 6'3" and 210 pounds, made one more trip to the house that day, according to the police report, a visit that ended with his slapping the 5'5", 130-pound Brenda, cursing her in front of their children and throwing her twice more to the floor, according to the police report. Several hours later Brenda filed what appears to be her first report ever to the police. The officers taking her statement found a fresh cut that they concluded was the result of one of the attacks and described her as "very truthful."

Yet in the days following Brenda's visit with the police, a number of things happened—and didn't happen—that explain how a coach might beat his wife for years with impunity. In his interview with police, Dan, after denying most of Brenda's account of the incident, raised concerns about publicity and "the reputation of the football team." For some reason Johnson assured McCarney and his lawyer that the sheriff's office "would not notify the media of this investigation," the report said. Dan had already called Brenda to say that if she went public with the latest incident, he would lose his job and she and their children would be without support, according to the report. Brenda, who hadn't worked outside the home since 1990, soon secured a restraining order but didn't press criminal charges.

Last March, after a Des Moines Register account of the private life of Iowa State's new football coach forced the university to launch a reevaluation of its decision to hire him, Brenda and Dan released a joint statement. In it they denied that there had been anything more than that single incident. With her estranged husband having signed a contract worth as much as $300,000 a year, the scenes from their marriage that Brenda had recounted to detectives a year earlier suddenly hadn't happened. No, there had never been that first beating just before the July 1986 marriage. Nor had there been one, as she had previously reported, five days after the birth of the first of their three children, Jillian, in '87, when Dan slapped her face as she held the baby. Nor had there been an incident that Brenda said had occurred on Super Bowl Sunday in '93, when she suffered a bruised cheek and black eye after confronting her husband about an affair. The Iowa State administration says it will honor rather than eat Dan's five-year deal—and Brenda will collect the $3,600-a-month support payments she was granted soon after Dan got the job with the Cyclones. ]

I knew DM had a domestic abuse issue around the time he took the ISU job, but I had no idea it was alleged to be to this bad. That makes me ill.
 

Bring up Mason's recruiting as much as you want, He brought n players. Brewster isnt even impressive when it comes to recruiting.

Barber was in Mason's fifth recruiting class. Maroney, Setterstrom, and Eslinger were part of Mason's seventh class.
 



Mason was bad. Brewster is bad. It's a stale argument. Stick to how much McCarney will help us beat you. :)

McCarney is a better coach than the following in the big ten

Brewster
Zook
Hope
Lynch
Bielema
RichRod possibly

I dont want to see him in conference. I stated it before. Our DCoordinator, Norm Parker, is getting up there in age and just had his foot amputated from diabetes complications. McCarney is who I want should he step down after the season.
 

I never said Masons 06-07 were ever good.

Then why should the current squad be any good? The 06-07 classes form the current backbone of almost every team.

I said they were light years better in terms of talent than what McCarney had coming in when he came to ISU which is an absolute fact.

What do you base that on?
 

Barber was in Mason's fifth recruiting class. Maroney, Setterstrom, and Eslinger were part of Mason's seventh class.

What makes you think Brewsters recruiting has gotten any better? His first few classes that people raved about were highly overhyped. Can you honestly pick out a star from these classes? I can barely recognize any of these players

have you seen Brewsters 4th recruiting class? There are 15 commitments and a total of 22 stated bcs offers outside of minnesota among them. So what does that say? especially since they arent any good division 1 offers.The likes of kansas, iowa state, and illinois.
 

No but as bad as the majority of gopher fans make out Mason as a bad recruiter, Brewster doesnt even have one to match up to what Mason brought to the program.

Bring up Mason's recruiting as much as you want, He brought n players. Brewster isnt even impressive when it comes to recruiting.

I thought you were a pretty good poster until you started the recruiting stuff. Mase, in 10 years, never has even close to recruiting a good NFL defensive player. Barber was a legacy recruit that was only taken as a last result. I give Mase credit for Maroney, but really, Brewster has recruited MN better than Mase and to judge a coaches recruiting on three years when he has redshirted many players is ludicrous. Brewster needs to go because he can't coach, not because he can't recruit.
 

Then why should the current squad be any good? The 06-07 classes form the current backbone of almost every team.



What do you base that on?

reading comprehension will be your friend.

You dont follow cfb if you cant understand that ISU was worse getting started under McCarney. I cant get into this because either 1) you werent old enough in 95 to know this or 2) you really dont know football.

I never said Minnesota should be any good, but a guy in their 4th season shouldnt be losing to the second fcs opponent of their career.

Ill sum it up. McCarney had a bigger hill to climb. He is a better coach. Mason wasnt a great recruiter but for Brewsters reputation, he hasnt recruited a player that can touch Mason's list of developed players. Good coaches work with what they have and develop their players. They dont have players quit on them or look as sloppy as Minnesota has looked every year under brewster.

If you cant figure out what im saying bynow, you are a lost cause.
 

What makes you think Brewsters recruiting has gotten any better? His first few classes that people raved about were highly overhyped. Can you honestly pick out a star from these classes?

How can you make a final judgement on a class that is only its second or third year?
 

I thought you were a pretty good poster until you started the recruiting stuff. Mase, in 10 years, never has even close to recruiting a good NFL defensive player. Barber was a legacy recruit that was only taken as a last result. I give Mase credit for Maroney, but really, Brewster has recruited MN better than Mase and to judge a coaches recruiting on three years when he has redshirted many players is ludicrous. Brewster needs to go because he can't coach, not because he can't recruit.

My apologies if I was ignorant to anything inr egards to recruiting. Im not by any means saying Mason was a good recruiter. I was never impressed with his recruiting but at least he developed players. He had star players. The two Minnesota players that impressed me during the Brewster regime were Mason recuits. I just think its ludicrous to hate on Mason for recruiting when ths great recruiter, Brewster, has done nothing with these recruits and these recruits have done nothing. Even if Mason had poor recruiting when Brwster arrived, its not like you saw improvement from those players. They never were developed. Brewsters first class are 3 years in the program and i still dont see it.
 

How can you make a final judgement on a class that is only its second or third year?

fine lets wait and see on it and see how far off i am. I dont think i need to worry about being that far off though. Your coach has about 12hours to prove he can develop anyone.
 

My apologies if I was ignorant to anything inr egards to recruiting. Im not by any means saying Mason was a good recruiter. I was never impressed with his recruiting but at least he developed players. He had star players. The two Minnesota players that impressed me during the Brewster regime were Mason recuits. I just think its ludicrous to hate on Mason for recruiting when ths great recruiter, Brewster, has done nothing with these recruits and these recruits have done nothing. Even if Mason had poor recruiting when Brwster arrived, its not like you saw improvement from those players. They never were developed. Brewsters first class are 3 years in the program and i still dont see it.

How good of a player was Clayborne in his 2nd and third year? Iowa starts 14 players that were recruited before Brewster even was hired. I'd be careful about the potential of Brewster's recruits. Stick to Brewster's coaching shortcomings. You are on to something there.
 

McCarney will be the first t admit the wrongs he did in his first marriage. He gave up Alcohol and changed it around. A wife beater will always have that following him but hes not lik that anymore. You dont forget but you cant give the guy any due for fixinghis flaws? He was a bad guy. He currently is a good guy.Im sure many of you have never had to fix problems andbecome better people.
No I have never systematically terrorized and abused a woman for the greater part of a decade then used her children as pawns to prevent her from seeking legal redress. That's one hurdle I haven't had to overcome.
 




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