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Spoofin said:
Made a top notch hire for FB coach. Has mishandled just about everything else he has touched. He is self serving and a liar. It’s too bad so many think hiring a FB coach is all that matters for someone in his position.
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Motzko and Whalen?
 

Spoofin said:
How is that AV fund raising going?
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Ask Louie. He travels all over the country (and the world) asking U alumni for money.

Lou Nanne to lead fundraising campaign for Gophers facilities

Lou Nanne will lead the University of Minnesota's fundraising campaign for $190 million in planned sports-facility upgrades.

In addition to the facilities campaign, Nanne will lead a new volunteer leadership council that will assist the university's athletic department in meeting the needs of its student-athletes, coaching staffs and athletic programs on a consistent basis.

 

Cruze said:
Ask Louie. He travels all over the country (and the world) asking U alumni for money.

Lou Nanne to lead fundraising campaign for Gophers facilities

Lou Nanne will lead the University of Minnesota's fundraising campaign for $190 million in planned sports-facility upgrades.

In addition to the facilities campaign, Nanne will lead a new volunteer leadership council that will assist the university's athletic department in meeting the needs of its student-athletes, coaching staffs and athletic programs on a consistent basis.

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Thanks for the article from 6 years ago Cruze.
 

Spoofin said:
Made a top notch hire for FB coach. Has mishandled just about everything else he has touched. He is self serving and a liar. It’s too bad so many think hiring a FB coach is all that matters for someone in his position.
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So you admit now, he hasn't in fact mishandled everything else.

By your standards, that makes you a liar.
 

USAF said:
So you admit now, he hasn't in fact mishandled everything else.

By your standards, that makes you a liar.
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Just about everything else does not mean everything else. Reading comprehension is a learned skill. Also, opinions can’t be lies. Much different than intentionally misstating facts.

It wasn’t long ago that having a poor opinion of MC was the majority opinion on here. Time passes and people forget and then the football team has a historic season and suddenly the AD is someone we want to raise high and praise Easier that way, I guess.
 


Cruze said:
We're going to keep doing it until not one of the usual haters in GopherHole shows up to tell us what a crummy public speaker Coyle is, and how terrible it was for him to publicly say the Gopher's football culture needed to be changed when he introduced Fleck at his initial press conference.
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So, in other words, until you have unanimous agreement on an internet message boards with your subjective assessment of an administrator who has numerous complex aspects to his job, including but not limited to hiring football coaches?

This year, my opinion about him changed. Last year, I thought he was a coward, a liar, and a terrible public speaker. This year, I think he is a coward, a liar, and a terrible public speaker who seems to have made a pretty good football hire.
 

Spoofin said:
Just about everything else does not mean everything else. Reading comprehension is a learned skill. Also, opinions can’t be lies. Much different than intentionally misstating facts.

It wasn’t long ago that having a poor opinion of MC was the majority opinion on here. Time passes and people forget and then the football team has a historic season and suddenly the AD is someone we want to raise high and praise Easier that way, I guess.
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I usually like your posts so I feel OK asking this. What do you think he has mishandled? I have examples of things I think he mishandled but am curious to hear yours.

My judgement is clouded on this topic but I appreciate the swiftness with which Coyle has moved when hiring coaching. Fleck, Motzko, Whalen. I think he is terrible in front of the public and that probably hurts fundraising, though I don’t know that for sure. I give what money I can to the U regardless of leadership.
 

I would guess by far the two biggest things that have pissed off Gopher fans about Coyle are the two sex scandals, the football one, which was used to fire Claeys and hire Fleck, and the basketball one, in which Pitino was not fired but in which Lynch was kicked out of school and it essentially tanked what was otherwise going to be a great season.

I feel bad even saying that, because it is likely to cause people to re-hash it all over again and fight all over again, about water under the bridge.

But I do feel those are mainly the reasons people get bent out of shape about Coyle. They felt like he should've fought the allegations harder and stuck up for the players, to keep them in school and on the teams. (also about using it as a reason to fire Claeys ..... but dang, it sure has worked out well for the football team ....)
 

Spoofin said:
How is that AV fund raising going?
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Pretty good. The new wrestling facilities are awesome. The new golf training facility is awesome. The renovation of Maturi Pavilion is awesome. The new volleyball training facility is awesome. The new hockey locker room is awesome. The new baseball hitting facility is awesome.
 



Didn't the fieldhouse get a facelift recently, as well?
 

Umm, any Minnesotan could of hired Whalen.
 


Spoofin said:
Just about everything else does not mean everything else. Reading comprehension is a learned skill. Also, opinions can’t be lies. Much different than intentionally misstating facts.

It wasn’t long ago that having a poor opinion of MC was the majority opinion on here. Time passes and people forget and then the football team has a historic season and suddenly the AD is someone we want to raise high and praise Easier that way, I guess.
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saying the majority of people though Coyle was bad a short time ago is just flat out something you made up
 



Otis said:
Umm, any Minnesotan could of hired Whalen.
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How so? Fleck was the only Minnesotan with a job that might interest Whalen. Fleck not only had the foresight to create a vacancy for Whalen by making little or no attempt to keep the previous coach but he also took exactly the right approach to convince her to take the job even before she had retired from the Lynx. It was a home run hire before Whalen had even coached her first game. Nobody can dispute it.
 

Some guy said:
saying the majority of people though Coyle was bad a short time ago is just flat out something you made up
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That's the thing about the internet that most of us have learned quite a bit about during the last three years. You can make up any kind of B.S. you want, not back it up with any facts or documentation, and some people will agree with you. And then you can claim the majority of people agree with you without any evidence whatsoever.
 
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Some guy said:
saying the majority of people though Coyle was bad a short time ago is just flat out something you made up
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You may want to review this forum for threads in the time frame of the scandal and soon after that and recall how Coyle was viewed on here. There was even a joke about how a certain poster treated every shot at Coyle as a “bat signal” noted in that he was in the minority. You can claim I made that statement up all you want, but I feel very confident in that statement - the majority of folks on here didn’t approve of Coyle at that time. The fact they do now is what I find comical. But hey, Cruze agreed with you.
 

Tredwell said:
Pretty good. The new wrestling facilities are awesome. The new golf training facility is awesome. The renovation of Maturi Pavilion is awesome. The new volleyball training facility is awesome. The new hockey locker room is awesome. The new baseball hitting facility is awesome.
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We got a whole athletes village. That is awesome, but that also wasn’t my question. I asked how the fund raising is going. You do realize the “U” finished this project before the fund raising goal was met, right?
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
I usually like your posts so I feel OK asking this. What do you think he has mishandled? I have examples of things I think he mishandled but am curious to hear yours.

My judgement is clouded on this topic but I appreciate the swiftness with which Coyle has moved when hiring coaching. Fleck, Motzko, Whalen. I think he is terrible in front of the public and that probably hurts fundraising, though I don’t know that for sure. I give what money I can to the U regardless of leadership.
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You don’t have to like my posts to ask. I do, however, feel going too far down this topic is a rabbit hole this site doesn’t need right now. Too many good things happening - I just couldn’t handle the 3rd thread in the last month about how great MC is - in what seems to be based solely on the fact that he hired PJ. Which was, without question, a home run move by MC.

To answer your question tho, the biggest test MC has had in his tenure is the football scandal. I don’t think he could have handled it worse. He was a coward, assumed guilt in how he spoke, disappeared at critical times, and lied to the public about things that TC had said. The players even criticized his communication during this and it took the BOR members to talk the players down. Then he doubled down on using that event as an excuse for firing TC - again lying to everyone about why he was doing that (which was silly because he had every right to do it). As another poster in this thread said, he is a coward, a liar, and in my opinion he is untrustworthy and a poor leader.
 

I realize this may be a difficult concept to grasp - but some people can be very good at certain aspects of their job, and not so good at other aspects of their job. I have had a lot of bosses and co-workers in my life. I can say with absolute certainty that none of them were perfect. I'm not perfect.

So far, Coyle seems to have done very well with all his major hires. but there is more to the job than just hiring coaches. An AD could go for several years without making a major coaching hire. but all the day-to-day stuff continues - managing budgets, scheduling, facilities, and fund-raising.

Some people want to distill it down to: I love Fleck. Coyle hired Fleck. I love Coyle. it's more complicated than that. At least it is for me. I still maintain that public speaking - handling yourself in public - is a fairly important part of the AD's responsibilities. Except for the interview with Gaard during the football pre-game show on the radio, Coyle is almost never heard from.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
I realize this may be a difficult concept to grasp - but some people can be very good at certain aspects of their job, and not so good at other aspects of their job. I have had a lot of bosses and co-workers in my life. I can say with absolute certainty that none of them were perfect. I'm not perfect.

So far, Coyle seems to have done very well with all his major hires. but there is more to the job than just hiring coaches. An AD could go for several years without making a major coaching hire. but all the day-to-day stuff continues - managing budgets, scheduling, facilities, and fund-raising.

Some people want to distill it down to: I love Fleck. Coyle hired Fleck. I love Coyle. it's more complicated than that. At least it is for me. I still maintain that public speaking - handling yourself in public - is a fairly important part of the AD's responsibilities. Except for the interview with Gaard during the football pre-game show on the radio, Coyle is almost never heard from.
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Let's name all of the silver-tongued Gopher AD's who we loved to hear from in public rather than the coaches of the the major (or even minor sports) at the U:

1963-71: Marshall J. Ryman
1971-88: Paul Giel
1989-91: Rick Bay
1992-95: McKinley Boston
1995-99: Mark Dienhart
1999-02: Tom Moe
2002-12: Joel Maturi
2012-15: Norwood Teague
2016-: Mark Coyle

I will start. I think most people would have to agree Mark Dienhart and Tom Moe had pretty good public profiles and were good speakers. However, I don't think either one accomplished much during their time as AD's. Paul Giel also had a good public profile but I don't remember much about his public speaking. I think most people would agree that he was a disaster as an AD.

Despite his poor public speaking skills, I am going to ride with Mark Coyle over every AD going back to Marsh Ryman who didn't do much at all with a National Champion and Rose Bowl winning football team under the previous AD. What Coyle has over them all is a competitive nature that refuses to accept mediocrity and a drive to hire the best coaches he can and give them whatever support they need to succeed. I will take that anytime over an AD who has the ability to impress and entertain Gopher fans with their oratorical skills.
 
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Spoofin said:
You don’t have to like my posts to ask. I do, however, feel going too far down this topic is a rabbit hole this site doesn’t need right now. Too many good things happening - I just couldn’t handle the 3rd thread in the last month about how great MC is - in what seems to be based solely on the fact that he hired PJ. Which was, without question, a home run move by MC.

To answer your question tho, the biggest test MC has had in his tenure is the football scandal. I don’t think he could have handled it worse. He was a coward, assumed guilt in how he spoke, disappeared at critical times, and lied to the public about things that TC had said. The players even criticized his communication during this and it took the BOR members to talk the players down. Then he doubled down on using that event as an excuse for firing TC - again lying to everyone about why he was doing that (which was silly because he had every right to do it). As another poster in this thread said, he is a coward, a liar, and in my opinion he is untrustworthy and a poor leader.
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I don't see how Coyle could have handled it better. He saw an enormous problem and handled it quickly and decisively.

Claeys was the issue, not Coyle. That some people were tied to Kill/Claeys (when it was obvious a change was immediately necessary) is not Coyle's problem.
 

Spoofin said:
We got a whole athletes village. That is awesome, but that also wasn’t my question. I asked how the fund raising is going. You do realize the “U” finished this project before the fund raising goal was met, right?
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How much time does Coyle have before he has to return the Athletes Village?
 

Nothing wrong with just issuing bonds to pay for athletic facilities, in my layperson’s opinion.
 

Cruze said:
Ask Louie. He travels all over the country (and the world) asking U alumni for money.

Lou Nanne to lead fundraising campaign for Gophers facilities

Lou Nanne will lead the University of Minnesota's fundraising campaign for $190 million in planned sports-facility upgrades.

In addition to the facilities campaign, Nanne will lead a new volunteer leadership council that will assist the university's athletic department in meeting the needs of its student-athletes, coaching staffs and athletic programs on a consistent basis.

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That was never true in the first place and is most certainly not true now.
 

Cruze said:
How so? Fleck was the only Minnesotan with a job that might interest Whalen. Fleck not only had the foresight to create a vacancy for Whalen by making little or no attempt to keep the previous coach but he also took exactly the right approach to convince her to take the job even before she had retired from the Lynx. It was a home run hire before Whalen had even coached her first game. Nobody can dispute it.
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I can quite easily dispute that Fleck had anything whatsoever to do with hiring Lindsay Whalen.
 

PJ was flat out a great hire, but any competent AD would have hired him. He was at the top of all potential coach lists at the time.

Again, be happy that we have a president and BOR that are willing to fund hiring great coaches at the U. That is the biggest thing that changed in the last 3 years.
 

Tredwell said:
How much time does Coyle have before he has to return the Athletes Village?
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I see, you have zero interest in addressing the actual question. I wonder why?
 

Spoofin said:
Just about everything else does not mean everything else. Reading comprehension is a learned skill. Also, opinions can’t be lies. Much different than intentionally misstating facts.

It wasn’t long ago that having a poor opinion of MC was the majority opinion on here. Time passes and people forget and then the football team has a historic season and suddenly the AD is someone we want to raise high and praise Easier that way, I guess.
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Ah, the irony. It's been a few hours since I posted this so you maybe forgot already. And, yes, I know it's about the AD, but you've done the same thing with our football coach that he hired.

"So do we care about results or not PJ? I honestly don't know how anyone could buy into anything this windbag says." 10/30/17 Spoofin reacting to a PJ statement about how the Gophers will be a lot better in 2019.
 

Mulligan said:
Ah, the irony. It's been a few hours since I posted this so you maybe forgot already. And, yes, I know it's about the AD, but you've done the same thing with our football coach that he hired.

"So do we care about results or not PJ? I honestly don't know how anyone could buy into anything this windbag says." 10/30/17 Spoofin reacting to a PJ statement about how the Gophers will be a lot better in 2019.
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Seriously Dude - you are unhinged.
You said you searched 15-minutes to find this quote from over 2-years ago. First it was your example of me saying PJ is a bad coach (?), then it was apparently me saying (in Oct. ‘17) that I didn’t believe the Gophers would be good in 2019 (?), now it has something to do with Coyle being a bad leader and AD (?)???

I’ll give you a hint. I had an issue in PJ’s first year of him publicly saying he wasn’t concerned with results. I stated that more than once. Called him a windbag. I still think all those criticisms are well justified. Also, you might want to check the whole quote from PJ as it wasn’t even about them being good in ‘19 - it was broken now, fixed by 2019, good in 2020. He is ahead of schedule. You should at least get PJ’s parts right. smh

Your obsession with me has really gotten to be sad. I’m worried about your mental health at this point.
 

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