Confernce Realignment Chaos is Here!!!!!! (maybe ... probabbly not) (Rumor Texas and OK reach out to SEC about joining)

[hungan1]

The Big Ten dominate the Upper Midwest, the rust belt with forays into the East media market with Rutgers and Maryland.

Nebraska is welcome to go back and rejoin the Big 12 where they can become King of the Hill.

Let's get a school with both football and hockey to replace them.

It's all about lucrative media money with the Big Ten aligned with BTN and FSN, and the SEC with ESPN.

Maybe CBS can enter the fray.

Money is certainly transforming college sports.

 

[Some guy]

My sense is nothing more will happen with Big12 until it gets paid from TX and OK for bolting. Colorado might be interesting based on grabbing that Denver market but really nothing beyond.

And Colorado already left the big 12 to go to pac 12

 

[Goldmember]

TX, OK, and the SEC were clearly hoping that a lot of panic would cause the break-up of the BigXII and maybe even a windfall of big brands to join them amid the hype and instability. It isn’t materializing that way.

The BigXII standing united for the next 3 years is step 1 of making sure this move is optimally painful for OK, TX and the SEC.

There are dozens of other ways the rest of FBS will react to this that makes the “total dominance” narrative we heard for the last two weeks much less likely.

Basically the media just assumed the other conferences were going to commit suicide for further benefit of the SEC.

 

[bizzle22]

TX, OK, and the SEC were clearly hoping that a lot of panic would cause the break-up of the BigXII and maybe even a windfall of big brands to join them amid the hype and instability. It isn’t materializing that way.

The BigXII standing united for the next 3 years is step 1 of making sure this move is optimally painful for OK, TX and the SEC.

There are dozens of other ways the rest of FBS will react to this that makes the “total dominance” narrative we heard for the last two weeks much less likely.

Basically the media just assumed the other conferences were going to commit suicide for further benefit of the SEC.

It’s real early to be so sure about any of that. These things take time. It took six months of talks between Texas/OU and the SEC before anything happened. There is so much money involved, so many stakeholders, and so many legal hoops to jump through that I wouldn’t expect to see the ripple effects from this for at least a few months. That is, unless there were already other realignment moves in the works well before Texas/OU was announced.

At minimum the Big 12 is going to have to do something. I can guarantee the Big 12 will not continue as an 8-team conference by the time 2025 rolls around. Whether that means they add a few teams, execute a full-on merger with the Pac 12/AAC, or end up being slowly auctioned off for parts is very much up in the air. But there will be other moves.

 

[stocker08]

That is a very relevant point, but did the 9th game actually add extra revenue? It may have, but other conferences considered a 9th conference game and they decided not to. If a 9th game would result in more money, why would other conferences not play one as well?

More of a grind. More opportunities for losses among the best teams in the conference. Hell ...the SEC teams still basically all schedule an FCS game. Some in the middle of the season when they can get some guys rest. SEC powers know that having four non con games means less chance of teams beating up on one another....and better shots at putting two teams in the playoffs.

It's why I've said that ND is running low on time. With the SEC and Big Ten looking to go to 16 teams....chances that a 10 game conference schedule becomes a real possibility. And many teams may be hesitant to use one of their two noncon games playing another strong opponent. I'd think that ND will have to be looking to join when 18 team conference talk comes around. That is unless they are fine settling for the ACC.

 

[nitramnaed]

Not buying this about Kansas
Per Saturday Football:

What will happen to the Kansas Jayhawks?​

As realignment rumors continue to swirl, one of the more intriguing Big 12 schools that could be on the move is Kansas. Not for football, mind you, as the Jayhawks are one of the worst Power 5 programs. But, the Jayhawks' men's basketball team could add value to a conference. Rumors surfaced this week that Kansas could be drawing some interest from the Big Ten.

Whether or not anything comes of that remains to be seen. But, it does seem the Jayhawks are hunting for a new conference. This graphic posted to Twitter drew dozens of responses from trolls. The Big 12 and Pac-12 have reportedly had talks about a merger or a scheduling alliance. Meanwhile, U.S. Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas has called for a formal investigation into whether ESPN tampered in the SEC/Texas/Oklahoma realignment process. Things are getting crazy, folks.

 

[bizzle22]

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Not buying this about Kansas
Per Saturday Football:

What will happen to the Kansas Jayhawks?​

As realignment rumors continue to swirl, one of the more intriguing Big 12 schools that could be on the move is Kansas. Not for football, mind you, as the Jayhawks are one of the worst Power 5 programs. But, the Jayhawks' men's basketball team could add value to a conference. Rumors surfaced this week that Kansas could be drawing some interest from the Big Ten.

Whether or not anything comes of that remains to be seen. But, it does seem the Jayhawks are hunting for a new conference. This graphic posted to Twitter drew dozens of responses from trolls. The Big 12 and Pac-12 have reportedly had talks about a merger or a scheduling alliance. Meanwhile, U.S. Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas has called for a formal investigation into whether ESPN tampered in the SEC/Texas/Oklahoma realignment process. Things are getting crazy, folks.

Yea I’m calling BS. No doubt Kansas would love to join the B1G. My question would be whether the B1G really wants Kansas. Have my doubts there.
Sure, they have a great basketball program and are an AAU school. The reasons for adding them pretty much end there. Would Ohio State/Penn State be on board with adding the inarguably the worst Power 5 football program to the B1G? And while they are an AAU school, they would still fall on the lower end of B1G schools academically. Northwestern and Michigan ok with that?

Also, after all the infighting regarding playing football last fall I’d think Kevin Warren will only look to add schools if the vote is unanimous. Important to get everyone on board for the next big decision.

B1G would be better off as is vs adding Kansas.

 

[Sparlimb]

The Big Ten dominate the Upper Midwest, the rust belt with forays into the East media market with Rutgers and Maryland.

Nebraska is welcome to go back and rejoin the Big 12 where they can become King of the Hill.

Let's get a school with both football and hockey to replace them.

It's all about lucrative media money with the Big Ten aligned with BTN and FSN, and the SEC with ESPN.

Maybe CBS can enter the fray.

Money is certainly transforming college sports.

Arizona St fits that bill...

 

[PMWinSTP]

And Colorado already left the big 12 to go to pac 12

Yeah...also was thinking it could be convinced to add hockey.

 

[PMWinSTP]

More of a grind. More opportunities for losses among the best teams in the conference. Hell ...the SEC teams still basically all schedule an FCS game. Some in the middle of the season when they can get some guys rest. SEC powers know that having four non con games means less chance of teams beating up on one another....and better shots at putting two teams in the playoffs.

It's why I've said that ND is running low on time. With the SEC and Big Ten looking to go to 16 teams....chances that a 10 game conference schedule becomes a real possibility. And many teams may be hesitant to use one of their two noncon games playing another strong opponent. I'd think that ND will have to be looking to join when 18 team conference talk comes around. That is unless they are fine settling for the ACC.

That cupcake game is usually one of their last three games of the year.

 

[Wally]

How would adding the entire pac 12 net more money than the pac 12 currently makes? Are you saying the big ten is just that much better at negotiating?
The pac 12 is worth x dollars per team this year
The big ten is worth x dollars per team this year.

For the big ten to make money adding the pac 12, they pac 12 X brought in would need to be bigger than the big ten X.




Because math.
combining leagues doesn’t create money out of thin air.

Its all about media markets and TV contracts

 

[Some guy]

Its all about media markets and TV contracts

Yup. And the average of the pac 12 is worth less than the average of the big ten. So in a merger they aren’t worth more. Thus, a bad merger

 

[Goldmember]

It’s real early to be so sure about any of that. These things take time.

That’s exactly my point. The narrative was that the SEC would become the NFL Jr and Sankey would be the commissioner of a new league that peels off from the rest of FBS. It too early for everyone to be assuming that is going to happen.

It’s too early to even assume that this move is ultimately going to be a net positive for TX, OK or the SEC.

 

[bizzle22]

That’s exactly my point. The narrative was that the SEC would become the NFL Jr and Sankey would be the commissioner of a new league that peels off from the rest of FBS. It too early for everyone to be assuming that is going to happen.

It’s too early to even assume that this move is ultimately going to be a net positive for TX, OK or the SEC.

It’s not too early to assume it will be a boon for the SEC/Texas/OU financially. As far as whether or not there is a true super league who knows. That would take time. Not a stretch to say that it’s already happening to an extent. Ever heard of the College Football Playoff?

 

[MplsGopher]

My sense is nothing more will happen with Big12 until it gets paid from TX and OK for bolting. Colorado might be interesting based on grabbing that Denver market but really nothing beyond.

I assume this second sentence was referring to the Big Ten grabbing Colorado, not the Big XII.

Arguably (though I'd like to see the actual numbers), Nebraska already gets the BTN on a lot of Denver area cable TV systems.

 

[MplsGopher]

TX, OK, and the SEC were clearly hoping that a lot of panic would cause the break-up of the BigXII and maybe even a windfall of big brands to join them amid the hype and instability. It isn’t materializing that way.

The BigXII standing united for the next 3 years is step 1 of making sure this move is optimally painful for OK, TX and the SEC.

There are dozens of other ways the rest of FBS will react to this that makes the “total dominance” narrative we heard for the last two weeks much less likely.

Basically the media just assumed the other conferences were going to commit suicide for further benefit of the SEC.

Bolded: and ESPN!

They wanted the Big XII to dissolve to achieve a quadruple win: 1) OU and Texas to the SEC as soon as possible, 2) they don't have to pay the Big XII for their TV contract the rest of the remaining years, 3) increase the value of the SEC TV network and gain UT/OU home games via the SEC contract, and 4) get the American conf to absorb the remaining Big XII teams, then offer the American a contract that is cheaper than the current Big XII contract and get the same games plus others.

They'll still get their main goals eventually, but the Big XII is not going to let them have the easy win.

 

[MplsGopher]

Yeah...also was thinking it could be convinced to add hockey.

Very expensive sport, need a huge new donation for a new arena, and there are already two very established, high-level college teams in the state: University of Denver and Colorado College (in Colorado Springs). Air Force also has a DI team, but not sure how well they do or how many fans they attract.

 

[MplsGopher]

Big Ten hockey should focus on getting Iowa and Illinois up and running. I thought the latter was all but a done deal, with a new arena in downtown Champaign?

I know the new arena in Iowa City is done, as the volleyball team plays there and it is setup for hockey. Just need the team now.

 

[MplsGopher]

That’s exactly my point. The narrative was that the SEC would become the NFL Jr and Sankey would be the commissioner of a new league that peels off from the rest of FBS. It too early for everyone to be assuming that is going to happen.

It’s too early to even assume that this move is ultimately going to be a net positive for TX, OK or the SEC.

Well one thing for sure: you have all of these huge programs, in terms of fan support -- OU, Texas, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, Bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida -- but only one of these teams can win the conference each year!

They really need that expanded playoff, to put some feathers in these caps each year.

 

[Some guy]

It’s not too early to assume it will be a boon for the SEC/Texas/OU financially. As far as whether or not there is a true super league who knows. That would take time. Not a stretch to say that it’s already happening to an extent. Ever heard of the College Football Playoff?

Yeah. These two moving to the SEC might help the big ten.

Right now the playoff is:
SEC
Big Ten champ
Oklahoma
Clemson

if one of Oklahoma and Clemson struggles it is a competition between:
Pac 12 champ
Big 12 champ
ACC champ
2nd SEC


now:
SEC champ
Clemson
Big ten champ
4th spot open between SEC 2, pac 12 champ, big ten 2nd

Honestly, the big ten is closer to a guaranteed spot in a 4 team playoff post Oklahoma and Texas move

In a 12 team playoff the SEC was probably guaranteed 3-4 teams before and probably are still getting 3-4 teams.

 

[MplsGopher]

^^ assuming it's an undefeated East champion (really, just Ohio State)

If the West winner ever is able to upset the East in Indy, that's a "nightmare" scenario for the Big Ten

 

[PMWinSTP]

Big Ten hockey should focus on getting Iowa and Illinois up and running. I thought the latter was all but a done deal, with a new arena in downtown Champaign?

I know the new arena in Iowa City is done, as the volleyball team plays there and it is setup for hockey. Just need the team now.

Ill and Northwestern are the most logical.

 

[fmlizard]

Big Ten hockey should focus on getting Iowa and Illinois up and running. I thought the latter was all but a done deal, with a new arena in downtown Champaign?

I know the new arena in Iowa City is done, as the volleyball team plays there and it is setup for hockey. Just need the team now.

If the Big Ten wants to expand, expand media markets, and expand hockey as well, Boston College would be a surprise invite. BC fits academically too. It makes more sense than Iowa State or Kansas State. BC would probably do it, they don't have much history in the ACC and it would make them a lot of money.

 

[MplsGopher]

If the Big Ten wants to expand, expand media markets, and expand hockey as well, Boston College would be a surprise invite. BC fits academically too. It makes more sense than Iowa State or Kansas State. BC would probably do it, they don't have much history in the ACC and it would make them a lot of money.

It might fit "academically", based on reputation and selectivity - sure - but it absolutely doesn't fit on research. It's not AAU.

Market, hockey, etc. yes definitely. I'd be fine with them. Probably the same for Syracuse. Pitt would be an easy add, they're already very much like a Big Ten school.

But no ACC school is touchable until the mid 2030's.

 

[Some guy]

^^ assuming it's an undefeated East champion (really, just Ohio State)

If the West winner ever is able to upset the East in Indy, that's a "nightmare" scenario for the Big Ten

When Michigan state made the playoff Iowa was rated higher entering the big ten title game. So it really doesn’t matter. Unless the big ten champion has 2 losses, they’re in regardless of who it is

 

[MplsGopher]

When Michigan state made the playoff Iowa was rated higher entering the big ten title game.

You are correct here. Iowa was #4 and Michigan State was #5.

Actually, the following two years as well (2016 and 2017), Penn St and Ohio St respectively, were both ranked lower than Wisconsin was, though they won both times.

2016 - PSU #7 Wisc #6
2017 - OSU #8 Wisc #4

Unless the big ten champion has 2 losses, they’re in regardless of who it is

Agree

 

[Goldmember]

Ohio State AD Gene Smith says 'pause button should be hit' on CFP expansion. Others fret over ESPN's grip on football​

 

[MplsGopher]

Ohio State AD Gene Smith says 'pause button should be hit' on CFP expansion. Others fret over ESPN's grip on football

Just scale it down to 8, with similar conditions.

Top 5 ranked conf champions - any FBS conf - get auto-bids. Then top 3 ranked at-large.

SEC will probably still get 2-3 every year. They will have 8 of the biggest, richest college football programs in the country in their conference. Is what it is.

American and Mountain West will have a fair fight to get in with the reduced Big XII, for their conf champ.


Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl can be permanent semi-final games, played on NYD. Other four of current NY6 can be permanent quarter-final games, played the weekend before.

Or if they still want to do quarter-finals on campus sites, and rotate the semi-final games among the NY6 teams, as they do now, then fine.

 

[theTurning]

Here we go

 

[BoatRacer]

Here we go

Self serving small fish trying to project as big whale. If cornkids department is working with ppl like him. They deserve to get all kinds of mockery. B1G doesn't need corns to survive or thrive. They feel like poking B1G will do great for them. They can have their independent spirit in good old Big 12. Oh wait is there still Big 12 ? Ppl from Nebreska need to wake up from 90s dream.