Charley Walters: Flip Saunders turning down the Gophers is embarrassing

The 2 hold ups were the Buyout clause (In excess of 5M) if Flip went to go work in the NBA. This is a steep price even for an NBA team. This is also a show stopper set to protect the U. Second, there is standard contracts language being incorporated in all U contracts to prevent the "Saul Smith" nepotism situation. It makes sense to have some protection for the University in both scenarios. These contracts are no longer negotiated my Joel Maturi and his legal team.....Thank god.....
 

Let's face it - until someone involved in the coaching search goes on the record, everything we know, or think we know, is coming from leaks and rumors.

Here's the thing about leaks and rumors - 99% of the time, the person doing the leaking, or starting the rumor, is trying to advance an agenda.

In the case of Flip and Teague, whoever is doing the leaking is trying to control or influence public opinion. that makes me think that Flip is more likely to be the source of the leaks, in order to make Teague look like the bad guy. Because, there's no incentive for Teague to leak info that makes Flip look more sympathetic, and makes Teague look like a control freak.

At this point, only 2 or 3 people know the "truth" about what really happened. And even "truth" can be subjective, depending on who's telling the story.

I could have lived with Flip as the head coach, but honestly, I would prefer a younger, hungrier coach who really wants to come to the U to make a name - or make a bigger name for himself. Yes, there are challenges that go with the job, but if someone can come in and turn the U into a solid B!G contender and make a tournament run, they would set themselves up as a 'miracle worker.' In that scenario, the coach benefits, and the U benefits: win-win!
 

This makes zero sense. Flip loves the U and he has known for a while that Tubby is in trouble and that he would be under consideration. Something on the table made him walk away. If that something was what it is rumored to be then Flip would be damaging Teague by revealing it and Teague owes him gratitude for not revealing it. If Flip didn't want the trouble of the job he'd have said on day one he wasn't interested. He didn't just get informed over the weekend what it would be like to coach in the Big Ten.

Yep, I agree. I think it's really unlikely that Flip just wanted to be courted.

The three most likely scenarios to me:
(1) Flip knows something is coming down the pipeline within the Wolves.
(2) The Ryan Saunders nonsense pushed Teague away
(3) If Teague insisted on picking the #1 assistant, it pushed Flip away

Pretty much, unless you're privy to something that no one else is privy to, it's impossible to say shame on Flip or shame on the U.
 

The media needs answers! The media damsels are in distress, someone must throw them a line!
 

Sorry to surface this. Has anyone actually heard Flip say that he turned down the job? On KFAN? On the radio? Did he put out a statement? Just curious.

I mean from the horses mouth.
 


Teague wanted to get his no name nobody the top job under flip. Hiring the guy as HC would not fly with the Boosters so sneak him in under Flips coatails
 

Teague wanted to get his no name nobody the top job under flip. Hiring the guy as HC would not fly with the Boosters so sneak him in under Flips coatails

That's as good of speculation as I've heard. If that's what indeed has gone down, Norwood has continued to dig a deeper hole, a hole that leads to disgruntled boosters, with obvious consequences for fundraising. He'll have to pull a rabbit out of his hat now.
 

The 2 hold ups were the Buyout clause (In excess of 5M) if Flip went to go work in the NBA. This is a steep price even for an NBA team. This is also a show stopper set to protect the U. Second, there is standard contracts language being incorporated in all U contracts to prevent the "Saul Smith" nepotism situation. It makes sense to have some protection for the University in both scenarios. These contracts are no longer negotiated my Joel Maturi and his legal team.....Thank god.....

M2S brings up a great point. Flip is an NBA guy, and a huge buyout on Flip's side might have been more of a sticking point than any of the assistant coach stuff.
 

Sorry to surface this. Has anyone actually heard Flip say that he turned down the job? On KFAN? On the radio? Did he put out a statement? Just curious.

I mean from the horses mouth.

At 5pm, Barreiro went on at length that he "knows" that Flip was offered the job on Friday and then turned it down on Sat. He said his sources said that Flip turned it down because of the control that Teague want to have over the staff and in particular the recruiting staff. He said it gave Flip an uncomfortable feeling and that it wasn't about Ryan. He also doubts that Flip would reconsider.
 



At 5pm, Barreiro went on at length that he "knows" that Flip was offered the job on Friday and then turned it down on Sat. He said his sources said that Flip turned it down because of the control that Teague want to have over the staff and in particular the recruiting staff. He said it gave Flip an uncomfortable feeling and that it wasn't about Ryan. He also doubts that Flip would reconsider.

Dang it. This word is out, and it makes it that much more difficult for them to hire a good coach now.
 

Many people seem to assign NT as the egomaniac in this situation and perhaps he is; but I haven't seen this question asked very often-what about Flip's ego? Do we know how he approached the interview with NT & Ellis? Did he assume that NT would genuflect and beg him to take the helm of the Gophers' ship and when that didn't occur, Flip balked at the offer?

Put yourself in NT's shoes-you're making a huge hire for the program (hopefully, the biggest hire during his time at the "U") and you have a local favorite son who has a great deal of support from the masses. Despite that support, there are legitimate questions that exist-age, adjustment to the college game, who will comprise the coaching staff, long-term energy and devotion to the job. While you are ostensibly the boss, you are aware that amongst the boosters of the program, this favored son will garner a great deal of loyalty and could very well compromise your abilities to manage this employee. When you meet with this person for the job, your concerns are not assuaged-perhaps it's the attitude the favored son brings to the interview, perhaps it's the cast of characters posited for the coaching staff (frankly, all the local legends that several GH posters were tossing around as possibilities to join the staff had me concerned), perhaps it's an unwillingness to work together on building a coaching staff-whatever the situation may have been, the hiring boss was left uneasy. And if the rumors are true, that it leaked the reason that favored son wasn't hired because he wasn't able to place his own son on the coaching staff (which frankly, I think doesn't put Flip in a very favorable light), the hiring boss's decision was likely reaffirmed, in realizing that the candidate's relations with the local media are well-connected and smoothly operated.

So I ask you, would you want to be in this position as NT? What if things don't pan out accordingly with Flip-what if whatever concerns NT may have had about hiring him come to roost? What if every closed door meeting with Flip somehow gets leaked to the press, and the scribes paint NT as the nincompoop? What if mediocre results occur on the court, the energy of the Flip hire wans and you are left back where you started-perhaps with the practice facility built or in the process of being built, but with a formerly successful NBA coach not succeeding after following a former NCAA championship winning coach who couldn't succeed at the "U"? What is the national perception of the program then? What is the perception of you? Has your career been sunk?

And all of this would be okay, if you were truly sold on Flip and Flip was your guy; but if not, if you had misgivings about hiring Saunders for any myriad of reasons, why would you choose to step into this situation, especially if the terms you would have been comfortable with were not well received?

Listen, I was on board with Flip as coach and think he could have been a very good hire here, but I also understand the reservations, and I could see NT gauging the public sentiment both through the media and message boards as this and being quite relieved that it didn't work out with Flip. If things didn't go ideally with Flip (practice facility, ace recruiting, upper half Big 10 division finishes, regular appearances in the second weekend of the NCAA tourney), NT would have been in a really difficult position. There's no guarantee that the next coach of the Gophers will be successful, but if you're NT, don't you want that to occur on your terms rather than compromising your position and going down in flames regardless?

Great post. My thoughts exactly.
 

As much of a Flip fan as I am, its either ALL FLIP or no Flip. If Flip doesn't get to choose his own staff, and I mean his ENTIRE staff, then I just don't think it would work very well, you'd have too many possibilities of a power struggle going on, and a continuing, possibly DAILY power struggle going on, with all kinds of rumors in the press and here on GH, and if Flip failed, you'd have the Gopher faithful taking sides, one third blaming Flip, another third blaming NT, with possibly a third of fans blaming both sides.

It would be a mess, and there would be issues if Flip succeeded even. So I would not be in favor of Flip getting the job if he isn't given the green light to hire his own staff.

If the only way to get Flip on board is for him to be a figure head of a coach, while NT runs everything else, even if Flip was willing to do it, I wouldn't be in favor of it. Flip deserves better.

If that was the case, I'd rather NT bring in whoever he wants, so its ALL ON HIM. Then in 3-4 years we'll all know who is to blame or who deserves the credit.
 

Flip confirms publicly it wasn't about Ryan, that it just wasn't a good fit. This thread, therefore could have been a LOT shorter. Anybody want to talk about the definition of "nepotism" again? No? Good. If Flip can "let things lie", everyone else should be able to also.
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Former Timberwolves coach and Gophers player Flip Saunders confirmed publicly for the first time Friday, April 12, that he was offered the University of Minnesota basketball coaching position and turned it down.

But it wasn't because his son Ryan couldn't join him on the Gophers' staff, Saunders said on his weekly radio show with host Dan Barreiro on KFXN-FM 100.3.

It was speculated that Saunders turned down the offer at least in part because athletics director Norwood Teague wanted to restrict Saunders in picking assistants, especially his son.

"That was never the case," Saunders said. "That was not an issue at all. In fact, when (Teague) talked to my representative, he had told them that (Ryan) could be hired. So that was never an issue. It was broader."

Teague hired 30-year-old Florida International coach Richard Pitino last week.

Saunders, 58, wouldn't reveal exactly why he did not want to be the next Gophers coach before Pitino was offered the position. But Saunders said he would have taken the job "under certain circumstances."

"When you've won over a thousand (NBA) games, you've been in four conference finals, you pretty much have an idea of what you think you need to have in order to have success," he said. "And I just felt at the time, there just wasn't the right match. I don't hold any hard feelings. It was just one of those things that wasn't right."

Saunders reportedly was in Indianapolis on March 29 to watch the Sweet 16 matchup

between Michigan State and Duke, while also meeting with Teague. Saunders said he welcomed input from Teague and associate AD Mike Ellis because he understood how long it had been since he was part of the college game.
Saunders who coached the Timberwolves to eight consecutive playoff appearances from 1996-2004, has been out of the NBA since the Washington Wizards fired him after 17 games last season. He was a Gophers point guard from 1973-77 and a U assistant under Jim Dutcher from 1981-86.

"When it came down to it, like I said, I always felt as a coach you need to be able to put the people you need in whatever roles they'll be in," Saunders said. "That's just how it's operated in every job that I've taken."

Teague said Thursday he consults with the head coach only on staff and claimed to give Pitino the freedom to hire whatever assistants he feels are good fits. But Saunders said he doesn't believe the university would completely allow that, using the Jimmy Williams case as an example.

Former Gophers coach Tubby Smith, who was fired March 25, had the U fighting a $1 million lawsuit against Williams, who claimed Smith hired him as an assistant in 2007.

"Look at what happened with Jimmy Williams and situations like that," Saunders said. "So maybe that's the difference between college and professional. A lot of people have brought (hiring your own staff) up as being the red flag. But it really wasn't just one thing. Let's just leave it at that. I've moved on. Of course, they've moved on."

Saunders, who is an NBA analyst for ESPN, said he supports Pitino, the son of Louisville coach Rick Pitino, and would keep his Gophers season tickets for next season.

"Whether you get the guys you want initially or not, going out on a limb and saying we needed to make a change and going after people and not getting them -- there's nothing wrong with that," Saunders said. "I do think that when that didn't work out, they went into a direction they were comfortable with: a young coach that's energetic. I believe he's got good pedigree.

"I've always believed that coaches' kids are under so much scrutiny when they're growing up that they almost become over-workers in what they're doing and they over-prepare because they know they're under so much scrutiny by everybody. So I believe Richard is going to come in and work exceptionally hard."



http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_23016345/gophers-basketball-flip-saunders-says-turning-down-job
 



It just goes to show that the newpaper writers are no better or worse at speculating than anyone on GopherHole. I still think Norwood and Flip could not agree on a proper buyout clause. If Flip were to get a big offer from an NBA team, the Uinversity would need some protection in that case. Regardless the reason, I am very happy with Mr Pitino and I think he will become the greatest coach in Gopher History.....

Good luck Flip and we need your donations for the practice facility!
 

I am glad Flip is not the coach and Pitino is the coach. I would have been fine with Flip as coach but he was never my first choice. This situation confirmed it.. I think Flip has an ego bigger than the entire state and that he felt he would have been doing the University a favor. Teague may have an ego as well.. but why the heck bring Teague in here to hire Flip as our coach?

Anyway, hopefully Flip still cheers for the U and recommends the program....
 

It just goes to show that the newpaper writers are no better or worse at speculating than anyone on GopherHole. I still think Norwood and Flip could not agree on a proper buyout clause. If Flip were to get a big offer from an NBA team, the Uinversity would need some protection in that case. Regardless the reason, I am very happy with Mr Pitino and I think he will become the greatest coach in Gopher History.....

Good luck Flip and we need your donations for the practice facility!

Amen, finally we agree.
 

I think Flip was a logical choice and would have done great here. I think Richard is also a logical choice and will do great here. In retrospect this whole matter was clearly about fit, one way or another. People can be happy about the way it worked out.
 






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