Charley Walters: Flip Saunders turning down the Gophers is embarrassing

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per Shooter:

The University of Minnesota's search for a men's basketball coach became officially embarrassing when it was learned Saturday, March 30, that Flip Saunders had turned down the job.

Saunders is believed to be at least the fourth coach to say no thanks to Gophers athletic administrators Norwood Teague and Mike Ellis since they fired Tubby Smith on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_22908358/charley-walters-flip-saunders-turning-down-gophers-is.html

Go Gophers!!
 

per Shooter:

The University of Minnesota's search for a men's basketball coach became officially embarrassing when it was learned Saturday, March 30, that Flip Saunders had turned down the job.

Saunders is believed to be at least the fourth coach to say no thanks to Gophers athletic administrators Norwood Teague and Mike Ellis since they fired Tubby Smith on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_22908358/charley-walters-flip-saunders-turning-down-gophers-is.html

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F....u flip !!!!!! IF U DIDN'T WANT THE JOB U SHOULD OF CAME OUT AHEAD OF TIME SAID I WAS NOT INTERSTEAD IN IT.. WHY EVEN GIVE EVERYONE THE IMPRESSION U WERE SO f...OFF FLIP lost all respect for u as a person.. u don't have it out there for everyone to beg for u to take it.. h
 

F....u flip !!!!!! IF U DIDN'T WANT THE JOB U SHOULD OF CAME OUT AHEAD OF TIME SAID I WAS NOT INTERSTEAD IN IT.. WHY EVEN GIVE EVERYONE THE IMPRESSION U WERE SO f...OFF FLIP lost all respect for u as a person.. u don't have it out there for everyone to beg for u to take it.. h


Dude, you should take a chill pill, maybe? Or cut down on the coffee or put the bottle down or whatever?! Take your meds maybe?!

He wants the job, many believe, but just wants to be able to pick his assistants. That's pretty standard practice. Why should Flip be forced to let the AD pick his assistants for him?
 

F....u flip !!!!!! IF U DIDN'T WANT THE JOB U SHOULD OF CAME OUT AHEAD OF TIME SAID I WAS NOT INTERSTEAD IN IT.. WHY EVEN GIVE EVERYONE THE IMPRESSION U WERE SO f...OFF FLIP lost all respect for u as a person.. u don't have it out there for everyone to beg for u to take it.. h

Suggestion: Despite testimonials to the contrary, capslock is actually NOT cruise control for cool.

Additionally, there's a very good likelihood that the terms proposed by Teague were not desirable to Flip. If it's true that Teague wanted a high level of involvement in the staffing selection, I can't blame Flip for not accepting.
 

Do we really know that the other three coaches turned us down?

Is the assistant thing true for Flip or is it just wild speculation?
 


I have also lost respect for Flip. He lead us all on with his interest in the program and then he turns it down, it is a huge embarrassment to the U!

I know there are reports that Teague was playing a stupid game of trying to tell him who he could hire as assistants, which is bush league (how would Teague like it if the U hired him as the AD but they would tell him what coaches to hire). If this is true, I can understand him not taking those conditions, but he should have had no comment on the job. What purpose does it serve for Flip to go around telling people that he didn't want the job?
 

I have also lost respect for Flip. He lead us all on with his interest in the program and then he turns it down, it is a huge embarrassment to the U!

I know there are reports that Teague was playing a stupid game of trying to tell him who he could hire as assistants, which is bush league (how would Teague like it if the U hired him as the AD but they would tell him what coaches to hire). If this is true, I can understand him not taking those conditions, but he should have had no comment on the job. What purpose does it serve for Flip to go around telling people that he didn't want the job?

You think Teague has complete carte blanche to hire anyone he wants? I can 100% tell you for sure Kaler and regents have a veto. They won't exercise it IF Teague makes reasonable hires. I don't think he could hire family members and get away with it - just saying.
 

Suggestion: Despite testimonials to the contrary, capslock is actually NOT cruise control for cool.

Additionally, there's a very good likelihood that the terms proposed by Teague were not desirable to Flip. If it's true that Teague wanted a high level of involvement in the staffing selection, I can't blame Flip for not accepting.

It would be just as likely that our new norwood, who has now officially been here entirely too long, probably wanted to push villa 7 assistant coaches that he (our new norwood) was especially fond of as a result of the profile meet and greet sessions.



It seems pretty darn creepy to me that athletic directors want to have special profiles of assistant coaches so readily available and that they would promote this direct contact set-up between assistant coaches and athletic directors. It seems to me, that the profiles should promote available assistant coaches to head coaches. I WAS under the impression that virtually all coaches identify the assistant coaching candidates for themselves. The only time I though athletic directors got involved in assigning head coaches "special a.d. appointed assistant coaches was after a program had REALLY struggled and it was pretty much a trick to appease the fan base after a terrible season. You see it happen in the professional sports all the time.

I keep running into danger warnings about our new norwood's style of doing things. This is NOT a good situation we have entered. I can't quite put my finger on where the stench is coming from...but...Bierman Complex might be a good place to start...The ending for this melodrama is as cloudy...even more cloudy on DAY FIVE than on DAY ONE: Golden Gopher Men's Hoops Program Held Hostage: Day 6 will soon be upon us....Our new norwood is looking pretty inexperienced...the future of this program could not be more confusing and pathetic...

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It would be just as likely that our new norwood, who has now officially been here entirely too long, probably wanted to push villa 7 assistant coaches that he (our new norwood) was especially fond of as a result of the profile meet and greet sessions.

Oh, it's official now? Shoot, sorry I didn't get the memo.

And to be honest, I couldn't even get through the rest. Just far too much tinfoil-hat rambling. My deepest apologies if you actually had a coherent point somewhere in there.
 



It would be just as likely that our new norwood, who has now officially been here entirely too long, probably wanted to push villa 7 assistant coaches that he (our new norwood) was especially fond of as a result of the profile meet and greet sessions.



It seems pretty darn creepy to me that athletic directors want to have special profiles of assistant coaches so readily available and that they would promote this direct contact set-up between assistant coaches and athletic directors. It seems to me, that the profiles should promote available assistant coaches to head coaches. I WAS under the impression that virtually all coaches identify the assistant coach candidates for themselves. The only time I though athletic directors got involved in assigning head coaches "special a.d. appointed assistant coaches was after a program had REALLY struggled and it was pretty much a trick to appease the fan base after a terrible season. You see it happen in the professional sports all the time.

I keep running into danger warnings about our new norwood's style of doing things. This is NOT a good situation we have entered. I can't quite put my finger on where the stench is coming from...but...Bierman Complex might be a good place to start...The ending for this melodrama is as cloudy...even more cloudy on DAY FIVE than on DAY ONE: Golden Gopher Men's Hoops Program Held Hostage: Day 6 will soon be upon us....Our new norwood is looking pretty inexperienced...the future of this program could not be more confusing and pathetic...

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You really don't seem to like our new AD, and I have questioned why in the past, but I'm starting to have doubts myself. And its always good for there to be at least one critic out there criticizing anyone and everyone so as to keep everyone on their toes, so you rock on and keep ragging on Norwood, for someone has to.


I hope that yours and my suspicions about him are wrong.
 

I actually agree with Shooter. It is embarrassing when a coach has basically said he wants the job and the AD can't close the deal.
 

I actually agree with Shooter. It is embarrassing when a coach has basically said he wants the job and the AD can't close the deal.

If the candidate brings a package the AD can't possibly agree to - like nepotism - what's embarrassing is even considering him.
 

Or maybe Flip has a better job on the horizon. People need to relax and let this work itself out. Plenty of things can happen between now and hiring day.
 



If the candidate brings a package the AD can't possibly agree to - like nepotism - what's embarrassing is even considering him.

Are there any other coaches for any sport that have a child on the coaching staff? Just curious...at Minnesota I mean
 

If the candidate brings a package the AD can't possibly agree to - like nepotism - what's embarrassing is even considering him.

In my opinion, I think it is embarrassing. I think it was assumed, common knowledge that Flip wanted the job. I think most people believe that the head coach should have the ability to hire whoever they want. It is no different than when Kill was hired, there was no doubt who he was bringing in. It isn't like Ryan doesn't have a decent résumé started. GA under Tubby (I'm guessing Flip didn't help him get that), 4 years in the NBA, 2-time Gopher captain, etc. It is going to be hard for us to get a head coach if that coach doesn't get to pick his assistants.

I'm sorry I'm venting, and all I know is that I'm frustrated.
 

Or maybe Flip has a better job on the horizon. People need to relax and let this work itself out. Plenty of things can happen between now and hiring day.

Totally agree. We have people flying off the handle tossing around insults based on the smallest details. We have not clue what is really going on behind closed doors. They could be bungling the hire or it could be going along just fine, there is so little concrete info out there it is nearly impossible to say just how well the process is or is not going.

When Maturi hired Kill we could see first hand how bad the search was going. It is far to early to say if we are getting into another situation like the football hire where we will be forced to go with a guy we could have had from day 1 because no one else will take the job. I still have faith they will land a top notch candidate but it is unfortunate it has not happened already. Just have to see how it all plays out.
 

In my opinion, I think it is embarrassing. I think it was assumed, common knowledge that Flip wanted the job. I think most people believe that the head coach should have the ability to hire whoever they want.

They can't. Nor can the AD hire anyone they want. There are limits. They can't hire criminals. They have to pass drug tests. Background checks. And in most cases you can't hire direct family members.

It is no different than when Kill was hired, there was no doubt who he was bringing in. It isn't like Ryan doesn't have a decent résumé started. GA under Tubby (I'm guessing Flip didn't help him get that), 4 years in the NBA, 2-time Gopher captain, etc. It is going to be hard for us to get a head coach if that coach doesn't get to pick his assistants.

Actually Ryan doesn't have a decent resume. If it is that good get a job as an assistant at UNC or Indiana. Then apply for the HC here when dad retires. I'd be all for that.

Part of why we wanted KIll was because of his assistants. Flip doesn't have those or offered up a real weak team - Norwood didn't approve. Including his son. If his assistant staff is weak we don't want him - old legend or not. Beef it up and come back.

And Kill didn't try to hire family. In fact even with his seizures he had to get special permission to just have his wife drive him on recruiting trips WITHOUT PAY. Was a number of write ups about that.

Where my wife works - you can't hire family members - it is really common and reasonable.
 

Are there any other coaches for any sport that have a child on the coaching staff? Just curious...at Minnesota I mean

Tubby did. I can't think of another one. I know Holtz did for awhile after he left Minnesota - that too went badly. As did the Florida State Mafia. Though a lot of those were at other schools where daddy had contacts and 'favors were owed'.

It is NOT good practice. Usually doesn't even help the kid. People are real suspicious and should be. The kid fights that all his life - like Paterno's son. The DePaul coaches kid. On and on. The thing that amazed me is that Flip didn't see this as an issue - either he knew it would kill the thing [didn't want the job and it would get him off the hook and blame Teague]. Or he was naive. Not pretty regardless.
 

Are there any other coaches for any sport that have a child on the coaching staff? Just curious...at Minnesota I mean

Are there any other coaches for any sport who have been earning over 2.5 million a year? And, Tubby had his son on staff just last week. It was JUST FINE with the U of M just last week.

Now, IF The son of a coach had a history of some involvement with the University's role in institutional control issues the way Jimmy Williams may have, the University might try to curtail employment: the way they did with Mr. Williams. Mr. Williams then sued the University. Mr. Williams won the case. They may be jockeying about the size of the financial reward now.

This was just our new norwood trying to sabotage the deal, because he fancies himself to be the biggest and baddest basketball dude in these parts...

Does the University condone preference in interviewing virtually MOSTLY villa 7 connected candidates? It would seem that our new norwood and his assistant that he brought here from VCU both have almost an issue of nepotism re: the villa 7 toy that they push SO hard. Just what is their relationship to villa 7 if not some sort of parent/offspring kind of situation...

Does the University have ANY administrator with the common sense to see what our new norwood has done here? prexy k: you have got to take charge of this mess your ad has gotten you into. The Men's Basketball Program is CRASHING & BURNING on your watch prexy k....

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F....u flip !!!!!! IF U DIDN'T WANT THE JOB U SHOULD OF CAME OUT AHEAD OF TIME SAID I WAS NOT INTERSTEAD IN IT.. WHY EVEN GIVE EVERYONE THE IMPRESSION U WERE SO f...OFF FLIP lost all respect for u as a person.. u don't have it out there for everyone to beg for u to take it.. h

You on the other hand seem to be quite reasonable. BTW- show me a quote where Flip states that he didn't want the job.
 

You on the other hand seem to be quite reasonable. BTW- show me a quote where Flip states that he didn't want the job.

I may have missed something, and if I did I apologize for posting this, but has anyone seen or heard a quote from Flip saying that he was offered the job and decided to turn it down? I know it was reported by Andy Katz but I have yet to see anything or hear anything directly from Flip. Just my thoughts.
 

I may have missed something, and if I did I apologize for posting this, but has anyone seen or heard a quote from Flip saying that he was offered the job and decided to turn it down? I know it was reported by Andy Katz but I have yet to see anything or hear anything directly from Flip. Just my thoughts.
No, because it doesn't exist. There would be no reason for Flip or Teague to say that they couldn't come to a deal.
 

They can't. Nor can the AD hire anyone they want. There are limits. They can't hire criminals. They have to pass drug tests. Background checks. And in most cases you can't hire direct family members.



Actually Ryan doesn't have a decent resume. If it is that good get a job as an assistant at UNC or Indiana. Then apply for the HC here when dad retires. I'd be all for that.

Part of why we wanted KIll was because of his assistants. Flip doesn't have those or offered up a real weak team - Norwood didn't approve. Including his son. If his assistant staff is weak we don't want him - old legend or not. Beef it up and come back.

And Kill didn't try to hire family. In fact even with his seizures he had to get special permission to just have his wife drive him on recruiting trips WITHOUT PAY. Was a number of write ups about that.

Where my wife works - you can't hire family members - it is really common and reasonable.

Obviously, you can't hire criminals and you need to do background checks. Nearly all coaches when hired can bring in whatever assistants. In my Kill reference, there is no way he would of taken the job if the Maturi said he couldn't bring his own guys in. Yes, you are right, Flip doesn't have his "own guys" but he should be able to put together a staff of people he knows and trusts.

Not sure how you can say he doesn't have a decent resume started. In his five years since his days at the U, he coached one year for the U and four years in the highest level of basketball in the world. He is not a bench coach, but I would guess he has done more than stare at a computer screen. I'm sure he participates in coaches meetings, assists in coaching plans, etc. He may have gotten the job because of his dad, but Washington had no hard feelings firing Flip, but for some reason they don't want to let Ryan go? Maybe he is doing a good job and they like what he is doing.


I don't really care where you wife works. I know I can't get a job where my dad works either. My dad doesn't work at the University of Minnesota, and you can hire family members at the University.

I'm just going off the top of my head, but here is a list of Father/Son coach combos: Lane Kiffin, Joe Paterno, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichek, Jim Mora, Kirk Ferentz, Lou Holtz, Bobby Bowden x3, Bobby Knight, Eddie Sutton, and John Thompson - I know my list is mostly football, but I am more familiar with that sport.
 

In my opinion, I think it is embarrassing. I think it was assumed, common knowledge that Flip wanted the job. I think most people believe that the head coach should have the ability to hire whoever they want. It is no different than when Kill was hired, there was no doubt who he was bringing in. It isn't like Ryan doesn't have a decent résumé started. GA under Tubby (I'm guessing Flip didn't help him get that), 4 years in the NBA, 2-time Gopher captain, etc. It is going to be hard for us to get a head coach if that coach doesn't get to pick his assistants.

I'm sorry I'm venting, and all I know is that I'm frustrated.
Ryan became a GA so he wouldn't take up a roster spot when Tubby brought in his first recruiting class
 

I may have missed something, and if I did I apologize for posting this, but has anyone seen or heard a quote from Flip saying that he was offered the job and decided to turn it down? I know it was reported by Andy Katz but I have yet to see anything or hear anything directly from Flip. Just my thoughts.

Enough people have reported it that are on good terms with Flip that we can be certain there were talks and they fell apart. At what level we can't be certain. He has said nothing more in his own words than that he will always bleed maroon and gold and do what he can to help the program.
 

Ryan became a GA so he wouldn't take up a roster spot when Tubby brought in his first recruiting class

Flip should have suggested something similar here - make him a special 1099 'consultant' and he get paid from Flip. He will have the compensation for that. Completely arms length from the U 'officially'. That makes the optics post Saul a lot better. That it didn't happen makes me think there were other issues. Probably a lot of the other proposed assistants didn't fit Teagues vision of what a college program needs.

And frankly that is quite possible pros and college are different - fish vs fowl.
 

I'd say that our new norwood's athletic directorship position has now officially been compromised and damaged beyond repair. How on earth will he EVER raise funds and contributions for new facilities, scholarships and ALL the things the athletic department claims that it needs. Our new norwood placed Flip such a LONG ways down his list of norwood's priorities in such a rude and public manner. norwood's arrogance is making way for his incompetence now.

My hunch is that this new norwood will have a very hard time raising funds for EVERYTHING. Watch what the ad does and then treat him the way he treats others. And, when they call for contributions...just tell them you are going to have to FLIP some priorities IF you are going to give the ad any money and that you will get back to them when you have had a chance to check with your higher priority causes and charities....

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No one knows what happened in the talks guys. So quit judging. Either side could have been to blame. Whatever the deal though, it's embarrassing.
 

Shooter writing a column or whatever you call it should be considered embarrassing.
 




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