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Khaliq said:
Nick Punto? A low cost utility player that everyone knows can't hit? Bwah?
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I think he makes $4 million a year, which is even more reason he should be Turkey of the Year.
 

minngg said:
http://http://www.startribune.com/y...yqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUKcOy9cP3DieyckcUsI

As far as first sentence, read your own blog in Tribune where you state Brewster is a goner if he wins 5 games this year. I will insert the link. The Iowa blogger references it.

Bennett did not start vs Iowa as he was coming off injury and had very few carries.

Why no comment on the red shirt seniors? Is it Brewster's fault that he didn't redshirt guys when he wasn't here? Is it his fault that he couldn't redshirt his first class because he needed bodies just to field a competitive team? Tell me how MN was going to beat Iowa when they are playing 23 year olds and MN is playing true freshman and sophomores? Last season MN red shirted 22 freshmen, the same as Iowa. Is that a step in the right direction?

What about the money? Check the Title IX spending data on what MN spends on football compared to Iowa. Level playing field?


All I ask for is some reporting on the program shortcomings rather than just focusing on the coach as the reason for a mediocre program going on 50 years.

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/the-hlog/2009/11/22/monday-reading-room-bowl-projections-from-all-over-america
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I'll admit: I might be playing it both ways, suggesting that this year should be judged more on measurable progress in areas as opposed to solely wins and losses... but in some ways, the two go hand-in-hand... if they win five games, and South Dakota is one of the five, there's a chance they will cut the chord, especially if TCF is similar to how it was last year in the SDSU & Ill. games (lots of vitriol from the crowd... the pres. took notice)
 

Doogie said:
I'll admit: I might be playing it both ways, suggesting that this year should be judged more on measurable progress in areas as opposed to solely wins and losses... but in some ways, the two go hand-in-hand... if they win five games, and South Dakota is one of the five, there's a chance they will cut the chord, especially if TCF is similar to how it was last year in the SDSU & Ill. games (lots of vitriol from the crowd... the pres. took notice)
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Sorry, Doogster. The problem is not that you are playing it both ways. The real problem for you is that minngg knows more about the Gopher football program than all of the sports media in Minnesota combined. You guys are all know-nothings about Gopher football compared to many regular posters in GopherHole. I give you credit for posting on this board in the way you do because none of your fellow "sports journalists" would have the guts. But you just got owned by minngg like you never have before in GopherHole. Your lack of knowledge and insight about Gopher football has been completely exposed.
 

Never have doubted the knowledge of the 100 or so people on this board that post on a regular basis... anyone who takes time to craft solid takes in their personal time clearly has passion that can't be matched... it's what makes me a giant fan of guys like MV & Matt O'Connell... both have regular jobs, family, etc., yet know a ton about the team/program. Very happy that the "U" has given MV credentials... he clearly deserves that opportunity.
I'm not quite sure how my "lack of knowledge and insight... has been completely exposed." I'll need some help on that one. Said that I very well could be playing it both ways.
 




Thanks for taking the time to click-on/watch. It's all about page views, right?
 





DLguy said:
I think he makes $4 million a year, which is even more reason he should be Turkey of the Year.
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Yeah, I was going to say, last year Nick Punto was neither low cost nor was he a utility player. He had almost 400 ABs, was a starter, and like you said, got paid $4 million. Add that to the fact that he had a huge blunder in a pivotal playoff game, yep, I think he is deserving for consideration.
 

The funny thing is dinardo(?) laid out the roster argument perfectly both on the btn preview and during the interview with gaard. Apparently that was lost on Doogie, the MN media in general, and the anti-Brewster posters on here.
 




Unregistered User said:
Great job editing that so you could post it.

It's great for people without DVR and in other markets.

I appreciate the efforts you take to keep coming to this board and answering people's posts.
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Agreed. Thanks for posting Doogie. I live in Los Angeles, so this in the only way I am going to be able to watch this segment. Keep up the good work.
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
Agreed. Thanks for posting Doogie. I live in Los Angeles, so this in the only way I am going to be able to watch this segment. Keep up the good work.
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Heck, I live in the Twin Cities and couldn't find it. It wasn't listed on the schedule on my Comcast menu. I taped the late KSTP news thinking that must be it, but it wasn't. Thanks for the link, Doogie. Nice segment.
 

You guys do know that Doogie has other teams/people/sports to follow other than Gopher football, right?

Part of the reason he comes on here is to GAIN information and knowledge from the "expert" fanbase, and to get a pulse on the feelings surrounding the team.

All of us on here post erroneous things from time to time and have others point them out. Doogie is no different, except that people seem bent on showing him up and proving their knowledge to him for some reason.

Anyone that can hold their own on a message board full of rabid, die hard Gopher Football rubes - while at the same time keeping up his knowledge on all of the other sports teams in town has done enough in my book. I can't pretend to tell you in-depth knowledge on the Timberwolves or even the Twins.
 

josh087 said:
You guys do know that Doogie has other teams/people/sports to follow other than Gopher football, right?

Part of the reason he comes on here is to GAIN information and knowledge from the "expert" fanbase, and to get a pulse on the feelings surrounding the team.

All of us on here post erroneous things from time to time and have others point them out. Doogie is no different, except that people seem bent on showing him up and proving their knowledge to him for some reason.

Anyone that can hold their own on a message board full of rabid, die hard Gopher Football rubes - while at the same time keeping up his knowledge on all of the other sports teams in town has done enough in my book. I can't pretend to tell you in-depth knowledge on the Timberwolves or even the Twins.
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What a crock of BS. If anyone in the news media (or on a message board) is going to offer criticism of coaches, players, or teams in general, they better know what the hell they are talking about. Otherwise, they need to stick to what they do know. Having responsibilities in other areas is a cop-out. Are you going to allow Reusse to use the same excuse? He has a newpaper column, a radio program, a TV program, and he covers every sport there is. If Doogie is going to tell the world what Brewster needs to do to keep his job he better have the facts and the analysis to back up his opinion. Otherwise, he better find another career.
 

Where have I failed in backing up my takes? Whether it was questioning a fade pass to 5'8''' Troy S. in the Iowa game... to calling back-to-back timeouts in that game... to facts on penalties, running game deficiencies... record in rivalry games, against ranked opponents, lack of offensive TDs late in the season, 3rd-down defense, etc.
I have also tried to provide some inside knowledge on Horton from a friend who coaches on the Lions staff (home run hire considering the circumstances)... Weber's issues last year (couldn't believe that his motion was tweaked, but is such a team guy, went along with it)... Brew's solid job in keeping Hammock from taking that Mich. St. job, etc.
 

I am not saying that you haven't tried to back up your takes. You are just wrong plain and simple. mingg told you why in great detail.
 

ruralgopher said:
The funny thing is dinardo(?) laid out the roster argument perfectly both on the btn preview and during the interview with gaard. Apparently that was lost on Doogie, the MN media in general, and the anti-Brewster posters on here.
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If you watched all 11 reports you would know that all 11 teams will be doing better than expected this year. About 22 more wins than losses over all.;)
 

minngg said:
You are on record that Brewster has no shot of returning with 5 wins this year. You are on record of saying that Maturi should have looked at other coaches before the bowl game last year. You are on record as stating that Tim Brewster should be a hands down winner of Reusse's Turkey of the Year despite winning 6 games. Why should they re-hire a "Turkey of the Year"? Every article you write includes the offensive performance at the end of last season. Not mentioning that not one Junior or Senior started at WR or RB the last few games. Not mentioning that Brewster had to plug in an overweight JC player and a transfer to an OL that was left bare when Mason left. Not mentioning that the defense, which did have seniors on it, played very well vs. Iowa.

This season Iowa will have 23 red shirt seniors on their team. MN will have 9 and 2 of them are transfers. Have you ever looked at the money spent on the MN program vs the IA program? There are many reasons why MN is different than WI or IA. You seem to think it is coaching. Keep hiring and firing until something changes when the root cause is deep and takes a long term committment to fix.

I have no idea if Brewster is the answer as coach. I do know that 3 seasons is hardly enough time to judge with certainty. Finally, please stop with the Penn State game as a rivalry game. I understand there is a trophy for that game, but they are hardly a rival. If you take away the 55-0 game vs Iowa, MN has been competitive against IA and WI. Undermanned and competitive. Losing is losing, but pointing fingers at the coach isn't always the answer.
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Iowa keeps their players, we have not. They recruit program people and players while we recruit as many fantasy stars as we can get. This will be this Coach Brewster's fourth season. I expect him to do the job he was hired to do, win Big Ten football games. The game at Iowa was not competitive unless you mean that their coach decided to sit on the ball the whole second half. They tried nothing because they KNEW we could not do anything with the ball. I hate Iowa as much as anyone, but their coach treated our O with pure contempt because he knew he could. I hated it but it was totally surgical and effective.:( It was close like the Titanic sinking: Never in doubt.
 

UpnorthGo4 said:
What a crock of BS. If anyone in the news media (or on a message board) is going to offer criticism of coaches, players, or teams in general, they better know what the hell they are talking about. Otherwise, they need to stick to what they do know. Having responsibilities in other areas is a cop-out. Are you going to allow Reusse to use the same excuse? He has a newpaper column, a radio program, a TV program, and he covers every sport there is. If Doogie is going to tell the world what Brewster needs to do to keep his job he better have the facts and the analysis to back up his opinion. Otherwise, he better find another career.
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I'm not saying Doogie had all of the information needed to make the right decision while making his argument, but he might still be right about what Brew needs to do this year. Why do you think the U of M administration will take everything about the team into consideration? I think it is possible that Brewster could be fired at 7-5 if the team starts 6-0 and loses 55-0 to Iowa again. Public opinion, ticket sales, and pressure from alums are always taken into consideration as well when it comes to firing a coach.

Even if you don't think Doogie knows enough about Gopher Football to have an opinion (an absurd contention btw) I'm guessing he knows plenty of people with pull in and around the program/University. I don't want Brewster fired, but I would want to know what somebody in the media thinks about what it will take to get him fired. It isn't Doogie's call, so why go nuts when he gives an opinion?
 

"plenty of people with pull" might be a bit too strong... but many thoughts are based around conversations I've had with those in and around the administration... there are plenty of very curious people in the Bierman building and Morrill Hall waiting to see how this year goes.
 

Gopherhurrin said:
Iowa keeps their players, we have not. They recruit program people and players while we recruit as many fantasy stars as we can get. This will be this Coach Brewster's fourth season. I expect him to do the job he was hired to do, win Big Ten football games. The game at Iowa was not competitive unless you mean that their coach decided to sit on the ball the whole second half. They tried nothing because they KNEW we could not do anything with the ball. I hate Iowa as much as anyone, but their coach treated our O with pure contempt because he knew he could. I hated it but it was totally surgical and effective.:( It was close like the Titanic sinking: Never in doubt.
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Sighs.

This 'Iowa purposely didn't move the ball on offense in the 2nd half because they didn't need to myth' needs to end.

Facts:
-Da Jon McKight DROPPED a TD pass in the first half on a perfect pass from Weber.

Minnesota had two TOs while driving down the field. One deep in Iowa's Red Zone, and the other around the 35 (I don't remember the exact yard line). Either way, one of those drives could have ended in points. The Gophers had one drive stopped on downs on the 2 yard line. Another stalled in the red zone.

Point is that the Gophers had many opportunities throughout the game to score. And anyone who thinks that KF purposely didn't move the ball intentionally, because he somehow knew the Gophers weren't going to score on any of their chances is ridiculous. The Gophers were horrendous on Offense that day but the maroon and gold played fantastic Defense.
 

UpnorthGo4 said:
What a crock of BS. If anyone in the news media (or on a message board) is going to offer criticism of coaches, players, or teams in general, they better know what the hell they are talking about. Otherwise, they need to stick to what they do know. Having responsibilities in other areas is a cop-out. Are you going to allow Reusse to use the same excuse? He has a newpaper column, a radio program, a TV program, and he covers every sport there is. If Doogie is going to tell the world what Brewster needs to do to keep his job he better have the facts and the analysis to back up his opinion. Otherwise, he better find another career.
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Your take makes sense, except the problem is that there is quite a huge leap between someone who "doesn't know what the hell they are talking about," and the knowledge Doogie has about the team. I would agree with you, if in fact Doogie was clueless, but he is clearly not.
 

How many passes did their interception happy QB try in the second half? Yes, our D was fantastic against the plays Iowa ran.
 

UpnorthGo4 said:
I am not saying that you haven't tried to back up your takes. You are just wrong plain and simple. mingg told you why in great detail.
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Since you seem to know it all please feel free and share these "facts" that you know to prove your opinion.
 

Gopherhurrin said:
How many passes did their interception happy QB try in the second half? Yes, our D was fantastic against the plays Iowa ran.
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13 of his 24 PA attempts were in the second half (he was also sacked twice). In fact, if you were to consider our sacks in the game to be PA rather than runs, well it would be an almost perfectly balanced game (run to pass ratio).

Have any other nifty theories?
 

Gopherhurrin said:
If you watched all 11 reports you would know that all 11 teams will be doing better than expected this year. About 22 more wins than losses over all.;)
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I don't remember Dinardo saying we were going to win a lot of games. He did say that a team like Iowa, which they had been to immediately prior, had a balanced roster throughout and that Brewster was starting to get a balanced roster in the lower classes but it takes 5 years to fill out a team correctly.
 

Gopherhurrin said:
Iowa keeps their players, we have not. They recruit program people and players while we recruit as many fantasy stars as we can get. This will be this Coach Brewster's fourth season. I expect him to do the job he was hired to do, win Big Ten football games. The game at Iowa was not competitive unless you mean that their coach decided to sit on the ball the whole second half. They tried nothing because they KNEW we could not do anything with the ball. I hate Iowa as much as anyone, but their coach treated our O with pure contempt because he knew he could. I hated it but it was totally surgical and effective.:( It was close like the Titanic sinking: Never in doubt.
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Iowa keeps its players? I think you better do more research. Look at the red shirt seniors and go back to the class of their recruitment and see if any other players from that year are playing elsewhere. Mason had one of the lowest percentages of redshirts year in and year out.

As far as the Iowa game goes. Iowa was 1 for 13 on 3rd down and average 1.5 yards per carry. Conservative or not MN played a good defensive game. You are missing the point however, the point is that MN's offense played with mostly 20 year olds and younger while Iowa played with mostly 22 year olds and older. That is not only last year, it is every year.

To build a program you need a first class lifting program (we did not have this under Mason) and a first class red shirt program especially for lineman and LB's. You can build these quickly but it takes years to get the depth necessary for them to be effective.

Go ahead and just say win or leave Brewster. Forget about looking into why he is succeeding of failing. We can always just hire another coach and start over. Hire another coach to start the red shirt program again. Hire another coach with new systems. If it were that easy Rich Rodriguez would be winning at MI.
 

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