Big Ten to push for 12th team

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Well I definitely stand corrected. My apologies. Although I do think the undergrad/grad issue is definitely not taken into account on that report. (ISU doesn't have much of a graduate program).
 

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Why doesn't alvarez get offered the high paying job at ND. Oh yeah, that's right he is only employable in Madison. Not to keen on this guy making 100 yr decisions for the BT.
 

Your just *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing stupid...


The Big East was founded in 1979 when Providence, St. John's, Georgetown, and Syracuse invited Seton Hall, Rutgers, Connecticut, Holy Cross, and Boston College for a conference primarily focused on basketball. Villanova joined a year later in 1980 and Pittsburgh joined in 1982. Also in 1982, Penn State applied for membership, but was rejected.

Almost a decade later(1991), Big East members decided to become a major football conference and added 5 schools including The U (Miami), Temple, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Rutgers. The inaugural Big East football season launched in 1991. West Virginia and Rutgers were football-only members until 1995. So yes by Big East standars, ROYALTY!!!
 

ISU_phoria said:
Well I definitely stand corrected. My apologies. Although I do think the undergrad/grad issue is definitely not taken into account on that report. (ISU doesn't have much of a graduate program).
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Academically, we are a consensus top 3 conference. There was a thread about this about a year ago, but I believe we are basically on par with the Pac-10 and ACC. Keep in mind that the B10 extends beyond the athletic field, and includes academia as well. The University of Chicago is still a part of our conference in academia.
 

Why are you asking for Club Teams to join Hockey BT?

College hockey does not need the Big Ten, and if anyone can justify the prestige of any college hockey conference over the WCHA I'd like to see clear reasoning for saying so.

If you are speaking for Alvarez - please let that be known.

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
alvarez is all about a big ten hockey conference and a 12th football team in the BT. he does not seem happy with the status quo at all. i do agree with him on creating a big ten hockey conference.

there is very little prestige playing in a hockey conference with nebraska-omaha, bemidji state, michigan tech, etc. give me: ohio state, michigan, michigan state, penn state, notre dame, illinois, minnesota, wisky d!ck.
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NO choice

Because the U has Div I football and Basketball Both ILL and PSU would have to come in at the Div I level. It used to be a great setup when Dayton would pump Div I Basketball money into beating Div III football apponents. There choice is to stay club or to go Div I.

PSU is a maybe. I really don't see it working in Ill.

magpie said:
You can. Make the Mariucci Classic similar to the Great Lakes Invitational and pit Minnesota against 3 of the 4 in-state rivals on a rotational basis. Then pit the one left out of the tourney to a 2 game NC series. Keep an eastern rival series, but add UND instead of the Big Ten Showcase, and leave the last series for whomever we feel the need to play (WCHA or not).

Then, in addition to the 5 current Big Ten teams, keep in mind 1/2 the schools being talked about for expansion have hockey teams, so that's 6. Penn St has openly admitted they want to be D-I and want to skip the D-III ranks to get there. They certainly won't make money playing Quinnipiac, RPI, and Niagara -- but should there be a Big Ten conference -- they certainly could sell tickets to play Minnesota, Michigan, etc. With 7, Illinois would be an easy choice to also make the jump with Penn St -- and there you have it: 8 Big Ten teams.

To remain in the WCHA is negative for our program. The top recruits can go anywhere in the country, but they used to want to go to Minnesota first. Now with 5 teams in state, UND, UW, etc all so close and respectable -- it's hard to keep that. We will fall to mediocrity in the near future (it's already happening). To go to the Big Ten would surely make kids think twice about playing at St Clown or Mankato... who wants to play tiny schools when they can be playing prestigious one's weekly?
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It would likely be 8 teams in the BT HOckey

All of the teams in BT have been in Hockey Conferences with MIchigan Tech and North Dakota. My guess, they are the 7 and 8th teams.

I'm still not a fan of stabbing the college hockey world in the back. IF the above teams do form BT HOckey. I hope they have the good sense to leave the tradition intact interms of trophies, etc with a viable WCHA.

maxwellsmart said:
I would PREFER the WCHA also, being an unapologetic traditionalist. But the world turns, usually for the better. If ND comes into the B10 it may be time to make a change. See B10 Network. Six in a conference has been done somewhere before in hockey. If the powers that be actually want more numbers in a hockey conference it wouldn't be all that difficult to start a program at, well I'll let you guys fill in the blank of you're interested.
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UConn fits

The hockey need if there is one. But in resent years, wouldn't it be better to have Bemidji State in terms of quality opponents?


GoldenJayhawk said:
You can throw out Missouri, Nebraska, West Virginia, Maryland and Kentucky. It makes 0 and I mean 0 sense for any of them to move. The ones that make the most sense are Notre Dame obviously because they are an independent and already play a cake schedule against the Military schools every year. The problem is that they make too much money not being apart of a major confrence with their NBC deal alone, that deal would need to be Grandfathered in and that wouldn't make any sense for the big ten network. In a perfect world it would be Notre Dame, but its not and will never happen unless the big ten makes huge concessions.

Lousiville, Pitt, Iowa St., Syracuse and UCONN make the 2nd most sense and I would assume the Big Ten doesn't want Iowa St. or UCONN because really who cares. Pitt is a storied football program and I doubt they would ever want to leave the Big East, the way they are set up right now is a best possible situation for them right now making it to the Big East championship.

That leaves Louisville and Syracuse. Louisville has already moved once and wouldn't be suprised if they are not interested in leaving C-USA, I mean who is their competition right now? Houston? That won't last especially with their coaches name all over openings. Syracuse is the most likely option in my mind but it would require the Big East to take one in to replace them which is just dumb to me.

The fact remains the Big Ten was just too late to the party with this 2 divisions thing and unless the Big Ten concedes to making next to nothing off of Notre Dame moving in it just won't happen, and trust me they want the 12th team to make more money, no other reason.

Notre Dame or bust in my eyes. IMHO
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ISU_phoria said:
Wow, I can hardly believe a hawk fan would be talking smack about ISU?! I would gladly compare ISU vs Iowa academics any day of the week. You know what they say in Iowa....There's no need to go to school at Iowa, I already have my High School diploma!

Sorry Gopher fans, I won't continue this on your board any futher!
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The wow is that you could find any smack in my post. Honestly, you must be the thinnest skinned poster I have ever come across. I meant no disrespect whatsoever. Every time ISU comes up as a possible 12th B10 team, ISU's academic qualifications come up and I see the rankings. That is what I was commenting on. ISU is a great school academically and otherwise IMO.
 


GoldenJayhawk said:
Your just *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing stupid...


The Big East was founded in 1979 when Providence, St. John's, Georgetown, and Syracuse invited Seton Hall, Rutgers, Connecticut, Holy Cross, and Boston College for a conference primarily focused on basketball. Villanova joined a year later in 1980 and Pittsburgh joined in 1982. Also in 1982, Penn State applied for membership, but was rejected.

Almost a decade later(1991), Big East members decided to become a major football conference and added 5 schools including The U (Miami), Temple, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Rutgers. The inaugural Big East football season launched in 1991. West Virginia and Rutgers were football-only members until 1995. So yes by Big East standars, ROYALTY!!!
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Good to see that you can read Wikipedia, too. And you still don't think that moving from the Big East to the Big Ten is a step up?

Moving to the Big Ten is more than just a football move. For these schools that you say a move makes "zero sense", a move to the Big Ten would upgrade their national and international profile both academically and athletically, not to mention exposure in markets like Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Mpls, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, etc.

But I understand that is too logical, and "*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing stupid". It's all about football and trophy games, right?
 




Al_4_State said:
As an ISU fan, I'd join the Big 10 in a heart beat. 1) No more Texas and Oklahoma. 2) On TV every weekend. 3) Revenue sharing. 4) Forcing the dip *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#s in Iowa City to accept it when we beat them.

I don't see anyone leaving the Big East for the Big 10. It's stupid. They have a good TV package and in football, they don't have an Ohio State hanging over the conference. The Big East is wide open every year, and I don't see why any school would logically choose to go from having a good shot at being top dog, to having to get through tOSU every year.

I think it's going to be a Big 12 school as the Big 12 provides a harder road to the BCS, a TERRIBLE TV contract, and no revenue sharing.
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The Big Ten is much tougher from top to bottom than the Big 12. The Big 12 is rarely more than 3 decent teams deep. This year the next best team after Texas was Nebraska, and after that it fell off a cliff. The Big Ten is also much tougher at the bottom of the conference. Neither Indiana or Purdue is going bowling but this year both had the capability of beating anyone who didn't bring their A game. In addition, Oklahoma has just as many (more?) BCS losses than Ohio State who has as many titles as the Texas or Oklahoma this decade. Some years the Big 12's best teams can match the Big Ten but it is never (except last year due to exceptional QB play) anywhere near as strong from top to bottom.
 

AhliBobwa said:
The Big Ten is much tougher from top to bottom than the Big 12. The Big 12 is rarely more than 3 decent teams deep. This year the next best team after Texas was Nebraska, and after that it fell off a cliff. The Big Ten is also much tougher at the bottom of the conference. Neither Indiana or Purdue is going bowling but this year both had the capability of beating anyone who didn't bring their A game. In addition, Oklahoma has just as many (more?) BCS losses than Ohio State who has as many titles as the Texas or Oklahoma this decade. Some years the Big 12's best teams can match the Big Ten but it is never (except last year due to exceptional QB play) anywhere near as strong from top to bottom.
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I think top to bottom the Big 10 and Big 12 are nearly identical. Last year, the Big 12 was better, this year the Big 10 was. The differences between the conferences are usually at the very tip top. Do you think Indiana would roll Baylor? I think it would be a pretty close game. Also, why do you think ISU had a history of beating Iowa and stumbling in Big 12 play? I'm not saying the Big 12 is better, but there seems to be more crowding at the top most years, whereas the Big 10 has Ohio State. Michigan is in the toilet and Penn State just ain't what they used to be. I'm not trying to smack, but I definitely think that the road to a BCS game is easier in the Big 10 than the Big 12 most years.
 


year of the gopher said:
First, I don't get why a couple of you (magpie, you're the other) think that who plays hockey should have anything to do with a 12th Big Ten team.
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I never said it should be a factor or will be a factor, but rather that I hope the additional school plays D-I hockey so as to encourage a Big Ten conference (it's silly to have Big Ten schools in other conferences for one of the major sports).

year of the gopher said:
Illinois and Penn State don't have D1 hockey and probably never will even if a BT hockey conference is created. With Title 9 restrictions, it is just too expensive to start up a program that you can't be sure will make money.
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The Penn St AD has openly stated they want to go D-I, but are looking for funds for a reasonable arena. However you are making my point as to why a Big Ten conference is needed. If tiny Mankato, Ferris, Birmingham, etc can all support a team -- why can't a huge Penn St school? They NEED to play schools that will draw interest. Minnesota and Michigan are predominant powers in college hockey, and Wisconsin and Michigan St are no slouches. They would certainly draw interest.

As for Illinois, I don't see them making the jump unless Penn St does, and probably if the 12th school happens to be D-I as well, meaning 8 Big Ten teams and likely a conference.

GoldenJayhawk said:
You can throw out Missouri, Nebraska, West Virginia, Maryland and Kentucky... Lousiville, Pitt, Iowa St., Syracuse and UCONN make the 2nd most sense and I would assume the Big Ten doesn't want Iowa St. or UCONN because really who cares... Louisville has already moved once and... Syracuse is the most likely option in my mind but it would require the Big East to take one in to replace them...
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I agree. Notre Dame is the obvious choice, but is stubborn -- thus it's likely Syracuse (who scheduled 3 Big Ten NC opponents this year).
 

MplsHawk said:
The wow is that you could find any smack in my post. Honestly, you must be the thinnest skinned poster I have ever come across. I meant no disrespect whatsoever. Every time ISU comes up as a possible 12th B10 team, ISU's academic qualifications come up and I see the rankings. That is what I was commenting on. ISU is a great school academically and otherwise IMO.
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Iowa State does have a higher graduation rate than Minnesota. They rank 50th and we are at 60:eek: That's terrible for a school the caliber of Minnesota.:mad:
 

gopherluv said:
Iowa State does have a higher graduation rate than Minnesota. They rank 50th and we are at 60:eek: That's terrible for a school the caliber of Minnesota.:mad:
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High graduation rates = pushover school
 


I'm surprised no one has mentioned -

William Marsh Rice University.

Pros:

Extremely sound academically
Located in Houston (obviously would instantly become the Big Ten's largest TV market)
70,000 seat stadium


Cons:
Not a great geographic fit (not sure if this even matters to the decision-makers, though)
Very small student body (only around 7k students)
Have completely sucked for 50+ years (though they haven't kicked out Minnesota and Indiana for this)

Notre Dame is the only logical fit that meets all of the criteria. But Rice would be no worse, and in some cases much better, than a lot of the other suggestions (Pitt, Missouri, Rutgers, etc.)
 

There's a problem with Notre Dame, and it has nothing to do with geography, competition, or frankly, whether they'd come or not.

Each member of the Big Ten is a member of the Association of American Universities, an association of 62 of the top research universities in the country (along with a few in Canada, eh). The Big Ten, being an academic conference as well as an athletic conference (which, by the way, includes the University of Chicago to this day academically), takes this association very seriously, and would be very weary of adding a member to this conference without them being a part of this association.

Notre Dame is not a member of this association.

Schools that are a part of this association, or make some sense for potential expansion include:

-Iowa State University

-Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey

-Syracuse University

-University of Kansas

-University of Missouri

-University of Nebraska

-University of Pittsburgh

-Vanderbilt University

I would be shocked if, when the Big Ten finally adds a 12th member, if it is not one of the names on this list, or some random other name that comes from the association. It would, in all likelihood, not be Notre Dame, however. Here's the full list, if you choose: http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476
 

Al_4_State said:
I think top to bottom the Big 10 and Big 12 are nearly identical. Last year, the Big 12 was better, this year the Big 10 was. The differences between the conferences are usually at the very tip top. Do you think Indiana would roll Baylor? I think it would be a pretty close game. Also, why do you think ISU had a history of beating Iowa and stumbling in Big 12 play? I'm not saying the Big 12 is better, but there seems to be more crowding at the top most years, whereas the Big 10 has Ohio State. Michigan is in the toilet and Penn State just ain't what they used to be. I'm not trying to smack, but I definitely think that the road to a BCS game is easier in the Big 10 than the Big 12 most years.
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Indiana would roll Baylor this year.
 


Let's face it, the real reason this is even being discussed is just to add that great conference championship football game. I don't really want one. In general I think these are over-rated and uneccesary. The SEC game is fine. The Big 12 is tolerable. The ACC's is a joke. They designed thier divisions completely around making sure FSU and Miami were in opposite divisions and threw everyone else in at random. Of course, for all thier trouble FSU and Miami have NEVER played each other in the championship game, and there have been several years where the two best teams were clearly in the same division.

I have a bad feeling the Big 10 would end up basing the divisions around getting Michigan and OSU into opposite sides even though there's no guarantee Michigan will bounce back anytime soon. I hardly want the Gophers to go 7-1 some year and not even get into the Championship game, while some 5-3 team from the other division does. Let's face it, the way it is now, the Gopher's have the ulitmate tie-breaking trump card. I'd like to see us be able to use it when the day comes.

Finally, in a broader sense, adding Pitt or Rutgers (the two most realistic candidates) does very little outside of the extra football game. Pitt adds basically no media markets at all, and Rutgers adds very little. The Big 10 already has a foothold in NYC with Penn State. Rutgers would solidify that foothold, nothing more. Adding another team for basketball also makes going to a true round-robin schedule impossible, and we'll be back where we were a couple years ago, where there are 4 teams we only play once. I'd rather stay with 11 and get back to seeing everyone twice.
 

Big Ten would never play the championship game in Minneapolis...They consider Minneapolis on the outter edges of the conference, it would be like the WCHA playing their conference championship in Anchorage...not gonna happen. I was dissapointed with the Big 10's insistence on the Chicago/Indianapolis rotation for the Basketball tourney...why not open it up for Detroit, Minneapolis or Milwaukee??? Well, we know it won't happen.
 

IF the Big Ten adds another team, it will be years before it's a done deal. In the meantime, they should extend the season by having it end either Turkey Day weekend or the first weekend of December. This will keep the Big 10 in the news and help the teams stay healthy and rested with a bye week or 2.

I'm not sold on adding a 12th team and have never liked the championship games, which seem to be as controversial as who plays for the national championship. I agree that basketball would again suffer more from a ridiculously unbalanced schedule.
 

. In the meantime, they should extend the season by having it end either Turkey Day weekend or the first weekend of December. This will keep the Big 10 in the news and help the teams stay healthy and rested with a bye week or 2.
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They have done this...the Gophers will host Iowa on Thanksgiving Saturday next year, and there has been preliminary discussion about eventually having this game on Thanksgiving Friday to give it a national flavor.
 

alltimetwinsfan said:
They have done this...the Gophers will host Iowa on Thanksgiving Saturday next year, and there has been preliminary discussion about eventually having this game on Thanksgiving Friday to give it a national flavor.
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That's good news. Are all the Big 10 teams extending their schedule?
 

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
alvarez is all about a big ten hockey conference and a 12th football team in the BT. he does not seem happy with the status quo at all. i do agree with him on creating a big ten hockey conference.

there is very little prestige playing in a hockey conference with nebraska-omaha, bemidji state, michigan tech, etc. give me: ohio state, michigan, michigan state, penn state, notre dame, illinois, minnesota, wisky d!ck.
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A Big Ten Hockey conference would destroy college hockey, a sport that is struggling already. The reason why the MSU and Michigan left the WCHA and formed the CCHA was to expand college hockey. The draw for programs like UMD, MSU-Mankato, SCSU, and now Bemidji St is that they would be playing big teams like MN and Wisconsin every year in their conference.
 

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