Best time to send Ben packing?

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USAF said:
Johnson should have been canned after the '22-'23 season, when it was clear he was a failure.

Every day since then is just delaying the inevitable while continuing to dig the program deeper and deeper into a hole. The hole becomes more and more difficult to climb out of with each passing day.

Stop the bleeding. Fire him now, and start the process of recovery. Waiting simply makes it more difficult. There is ZERO chance at recovery maintaining the status quo.
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Honest question - how is the new coaches job any different if we fire Johnson today vs. at the end of the season?
 

MNVCGUY said:
Honest question - how is the new coaches job any different if we fire Johnson today vs. at the end of the season?
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Despite fans like myself who probably have wanted him fired on the spot about 5 different times, it is a silly idea to fire him before the end of the year unless he has lost the team or is involved in a scandal. It's low class otherwise, and hurts your ability to get the next coach. Additionally, if the next coach likes any of Ben's recruits, keeping Ben until the end offers a better chance for the next guy to re-recruit the ones he wants while he is still signed.

Coaches look at how the coach they were replaced was treated. Ben is a good human being and deserves to be treated well, despite all of the losing.
 
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bga1 said:
Despite fans like myself who probably have wanted him fired on the spot about 5 different times, it is a silly idea to fire him before the end of the year unless he has lost the team or is involved in a scandal. It's low class otherwise, and hurts your ability to get the next coach. Additionally, if the next coach likes any of Ben's recruits, keeping Ben until the end offers a better chance for the next guy to re-recruit the ones he wants while he is still signed.

Coaches look at how the coach they were replaced was treated. Ben is a good human being and deserves to be treated well, despite all of the losing.
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I get the frustration and I get why people want him fired or are convinced he will be at the end of the year (I will be shocked if he isn't). But if you don't have a coach on staff that you might want to be the permanent replacement it just doesn't make any sense to fire him until much later in the season or at the end.

Coyle can be talking to agents and making preparations behind the scenes so that he is ready to move quickly when the time comes.

Those that have wanted Johnson fired from day one will almost certainly get their wish baring the team suddenly figuring things out and playing a lot better then they are at the moment. They just have to be a little more patient..... :)
 

bga1 said:
Despite fans like myself who probably have wanted him fired on the spot about 5 different times, it is a silly idea to fire him before the end of the year unless he has lost the team or is involved in a scandal. It's low class otherwise, and hurts your ability to get the next coach. Additionally, if the next coach likes any of Ben's recruits, keeping Ben until the end offers a better chance for the next guy to re-recruit the ones he wants while he is still signed.

Coaches look at how the coach they were replaced was treated. Ben is a good human being and deserves to be treated well, despite all of the losing.
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I think how it's done matters more than when. If he's clearly a dead coach walking, letting him languish the full year isn't doing him some great favor. Did you think firing Monson in November was low class? Conversely, Coyle didn't fire Lindsey Whalen until after the season, but handled it so poorly he still came off looking like a jerk.
 

howeda7 said:
I think how it's done matters more than when. If he's clearly a dead coach walking, letting him languish the full year isn't doing him some great favor. Did you think firing Monson in November was low class? Conversely, Coyle didn't fire Lindsey Whalen until after the season, but handled it so poorly he still came off looking like a jerk.
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When my employer fired my ass, they didn't wait til the end of the year. No buyout either.😀
 


howeda7 said:
I think how it's done matters more than when. If he's clearly a dead coach walking, letting him languish the full year isn't doing him some great favor. Did you think firing Monson in November was low class? Conversely, Coyle didn't fire Lindsey Whalen until after the season, but handled it so poorly he still came off looking like a jerk.
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As I said- "unless he has lost the team" Monson lost the team and was fired because of it.
 

bga1 said:
Despite fans like myself who probably have wanted him fired on the spot about 5 different times, it is a silly idea to fire him before the end of the year unless he has lost the team or is involved in a scandal. It's low class otherwise, and hurts your ability to get the next coach. Additionally, if the next coach likes any of Ben's recruits, keeping Ben until the end offers a better chance for the next guy to re-recruit the ones he wants while he is still signed.

Coaches look at how the coach they were replaced was treated. Ben is a good human being and deserves to be treated well, despite all of the losing.
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100% - Let the guy finish the year out. Coyle will I'd imagine.
 

dbmn said:
Tubby Smith and the gophers were in the NCAA tourney 3 years ('09, '10, '13) and in 2013 won a game in the first round. Tubby was still fired that same year as his one NCAA win. CBJ would have to do more than win 1 game to save his job.
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Apples to oranges.

"Fire the coach" is the knee-jerk go-to mantra...with absolutely zero logical thought. Zero.
 

howeda7 said:
I think how it's done matters more than when. If he's clearly a dead coach walking, letting him languish the full year isn't doing him some great favor. Did you think firing Monson in November was low class? Conversely, Coyle didn't fire Lindsey Whalen until after the season, but handled it so poorly he still came off looking like a jerk.
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Why are we having such a long conversation about firing the coach?

There is zero logical thought about what a new coach could do differently here. Zero.
 



EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Apples to oranges.

"Fire the coach" is the knee-jerk go-to mantra...with absolutely zero logical thought. Zero.
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Ha. Sounds like what I said is logical. My conclusion takes into account history of gopher coaches being fired. You don't state your opinion why you think my assessment is wrong. You just say it's wrong. Now that's a classic example of no logic...
 



Slim Tubby said:
Right now would seem to be an appropriate time. We made him wealthy and he made us irrelevant.
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Tomorrow's game is a border-line must win. Lose that and the non-conference portion is a officially a train wreck.
 





Let him coach thru the end of year. Find a new coach next year! Time to move on. Attendance at Williams arena and play on the court against low level teams signifies a change! Pay up Coyle for a legit coach, get some NIL and lets restore the program!
 

Coyle hired CBJ and the administration put pressure on Coyle to hire CBJ. Coyle's responsible for the hire. CBJ can't NOT be fired regardless of who's ultimately responsible. CBJ was paid millions to win and he's not winning with the team. Not happy about having to hire another coach but it has to be done. I'm not arguing when CBJ needs to be fired other than end of the season at the latest. I do NOT look forward to going to the barn for the rest of this season knowing the chances of ending in the bottom 3 of the b10 are the same as CBJ being fired.
 

If they lose tomorrow, they would need at least 12 B1G wins to make the NCAA tournament because the non-conference is so pathetic. 12-8 is just not happening. He needs to win 3 of the next 4 games or there's no point continuing past the finals break.
 



Golden Shower said:
The Gophers will be lucky to win 3 B10 games. I think that will be his undoing. Nice guy but Ben just doesn’t seem to have the chops for B10 basketball as a coach.
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Failing to make the B1G tournament in year 4 should not be survivable.
 

It is really tough to keep losing all these tight games with a slow offense and rely on defense. Me just not a fan and don't think change will come until new coaches are put in place. Yes mentioned in other posts we may irritate few other teams on cold shooting nights and we will escape with a good W or 2, but just don't see us dancing anytime soon with this style after another loss today. Especially when you can't close out any tight games with quality free throw shooting.
 


drewhaus7 said:
It is really tough to keep losing all these tight games with a slow offense and rely on defense. Me just not a fan and don't think change will come until new coaches are put in place. Yes mentioned in other posts we may irritate few other teams on cold shooting nights and we will escape with a good W or 2, but just don't see us dancing anytime soon with this style after another loss today. Especially when you can't close out any tight games with quality free throw shooting.
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Not the most fun to watch but when you have a weak shooting team without strong offensive weapons, playing uptempo is just a good way to get blown out.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Not the most fun to watch but when you have a weak shooting team without strong offensive weapons, playing uptempo is just a good way to get blown out.
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They just need to get away from BORING basketball.
 

drewhaus7 said:
They just need to get away from BORING basketball.
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Boring is their only chance of winning. They must use up every ounce of the shot clock and slow the game down. Ultimately they have to play Bennett ball.
 

FinnGopher said:
Boring is their only chance of winning. They must use up every ounce of the shot clock and slow the game down. Ultimately they have to play Bennett ball.
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I think “Bennett-ball” won a national title in 2019. 😎
 

It honestly doesn't matter. Nobody shows up anyways to watch this team and they won't show up if they fire him. Outside of some diehards on this board, most people in Minnesota didn't know we played today. Let him finish the year and then start over.
 


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