Badgers Montee Ball attacked: UPDATED 8/7: Madison columnist tees-off on Ball

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Yes, suspend Montay Bell and the rest of those Bodger players!
 

ruppertflywheel said:
It will be interesting to see how the Emperor Barry handles this. My guess is that Ball will be protected by some sort of coverup. After all he is "Montee"
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Since the hammer came down on Penn St, there will be no more cover-ups in college sports.:rolleyes:
 

station19 said:
Since the hammer came down on Penn St, there will be no more cover-ups in college sports.
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I think I will need to agree with you on this one station18.
 


Unregistered User said:
Yup...and I wish he/she/shim would stop referring to wisky as "them". You are one of them, and least sack up enough to admit it, but that would be expecting too much of you.
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I am a Badger fan, and have said so plenty of times. I didn't say "we" have three more stud backs, because "I" don't play for the team.
Losing Ball would certainly hurt, but I still believe they would be OK at RB. Every time Wisconsin loses one of their good running backs, there are people who claim they will be down at that position, but they always seem to be OK. People within the program say that Melvin Gordon may be a better back than Ball, and they still have James White, Vonte Jackson and Jeff Lewis. Good luck this season.
 


cfb120 said:
I am a Badger fan, and have said so plenty of times. I didn't say "we" have three more stud backs, because "I" don't play for the team.
Losing Ball would certainly hurt, but I still believe they would be OK at RB. Every time Wisconsin loses one of their good running backs, there are people who claim they will be down at that position, but they always seem to be OK. People within the program say that Melvin Gordon may be a better back than Ball, and they still have James White, Vonte Jackson and Jeff Lewis. Good luck this season.
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none of those rbs are heisman candidates. sure, the badgers might be ok, but it would be a huge blow to the program to lose the player that many people think is the frontrunner for the heisman. a heisman would mean prestige, money, better recruiting, bragging rights and another step toward national respectability that badger fans crave. yes it would hurt and yes the badgers would be ok, but i'm guessing that bert and berry are not as nonchalant about it as you.

ball getting jumped is very meh. but if there is some sort of cover up of the actions of a player that the university of wisconsin is pimping to the heisman board, then that would be pretty serious. bigger than a guy getting jumped, bigger than a few football players getting in a fight.

it seems that there is blood in the water and the sharts at espn are circling madison.
 

RedPoo said:
You don't have that expectation. We're talking about over 100 kids who are living on their own for the first time, with all the learning, drinking, partying, and getting into fights that comes with that. Most of the people I knew back then were good kids who would go on to graduate, get good jobs, raise families, and generally be decent, upstanding folk...but before that there were fights, drunk driving charges, drug use, cheating on homework, etc...all the stuff that, if a football player does it, it becomes a story. No matter how good their influences, or how much the staff tries to recruit "good" kids, plenty of them are going to get in trouble. Even the good ones.
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You ran with a different crowd than I did @ the U. The kids who drank too much often or got in fights....flunked out routinely. Hard to keep up on engineering work when in jail holding cells. Drug use....never saw it with the group or any other people i knew or hung out with.

GM
 

gophermartin said:
You ran with a different crowd than I did @ the U. The kids who drank too much often or got in fights....flunked out routinely. Hard to keep up on engineering work when in jail holding cells. Drug use....never saw it with the group or any other people i knew or hung out with.

GM
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+1 Well stated GM.
 

The question yet to be answered, but left begging is...... If the victim of the July 27th assault claims Ball and other football players were involved, and the witness to the assault of Ball stated he heard something to the effect one down nine more to go, there are 9 other football players who are implicated how long before these players are identified? This is bigger than Montee Ball. What happened at the house or appartment of the Wisconsin football player that errupted into the first assault must be answered. Bret has a news conference scheduled for Monday, I would bet the questions will be to the point. The Athletic Department is walking a dangerous road. If they take the high road, call the team members in and find out who and what went on and turn it and them over to the police is one way. The other you bury that information, and hide those people and stonewall the questions. This probably has reached Barry and the University President. We have seen what happens when you cover it up to protect the program. Again who are the 9 players, and what was there involvement, and what are you going to do about it?
 



husker, ruppert and supadupafly quick run over to Madison and demand the answers. Who knew what and when did they know it? Blow the lid off this massive cover-up. Let them know you won't stop digging until the truth comes out!
 

scools12 said:
husker, ruppert and supadupafly quick run over to Madison and demand the answers. Who knew what and when did they know it? Blow the lid off this massive cover-up.
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How about the guy that investigated Penn State doing it. Then we might get some answers instead of another cover up.
 

Killjoy said:
How about the guy that investigated Penn State doing it. Then we might get some answers instead of another cover up.
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Because Wisconsin doesn't have as much money as Penn St.

Oh wait, that might be changing.
 

bigtenchamps1899 said:
none of those rbs are heisman candidates. sure, the badgers might be ok, but it would be a huge blow to the program to lose the player that many people think is the frontrunner for the heisman. a heisman would mean prestige, money, better recruiting, bragging rights and another step toward national respectability that badger fans crave. yes it would hurt and yes the badgers would be ok, but i'm guessing that bert and berry are not as nonchalant about it as you.

ball getting jumped is very meh. but if there is some sort of cover up of the actions of a player that the university of wisconsin is pimping to the heisman board, then that would be pretty serious. bigger than a guy getting jumped, bigger than a few football players getting in a fight.

it seems that there is blood in the water and the sharts at espn are circling madison.
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I agree, this could snowball into a much bigger problem for the team
 



gophermartin said:
You ran with a different crowd than I did @ the U. The kids who drank too much often or got in fights....flunked out routinely. Hard to keep up on engineering work when in jail holding cells. Drug use....never saw it with the group or any other people i knew or hung out with.

GM
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I think it's safe to say that I definitely hung out with a different group in college than you. Very few people who I knew well flunked out of school but I we almost everyone that I knew drank too much, there were sometimes fights amongst drunk college kids, and there was definitely drug use.

I think RedPoo was just pointing out that those kinds of shenanigans are pretty common place amongst a lot, and I mean A LOT of students at the U, athlete or not. I agree with him.
 

Killjoy said:
How about the guy that investigated Penn State doing it. Then we might get some answers instead of another cover up.
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Good idea! If we could get Louis Freeh onto this Becky domestic then maybe we could put this thread to bed and get on to the serious business of excoriating Tom Crean.:rolleyes:
 

8/4/12 12:20 PM PT -- The Madison Police Department released a statement today saying they are indeed investigating the fight that took place on June 27th sic July 27th and they have determined that Ball was present, but are not certain if (he) sic was involved in the actual fight. The statement also says, "The detectives have developed several persons of interests on the attack of Montee Ball, and are following up on subsequent leads."

http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/03/montee-ball-cops-interview-house-party-fight-university-of-wisconsin/?adid=hero1


Now that we have confirmation the fight took place and Ball was there, who were the other Badger Football Players?
 

The Madison Police Department, through information developed by detectives, have determined that there was a fight that occurred Friday night (July 27th-28th) which involved UW students, members of the UW football team, and other individuals that were not affiliated with the University of Wisconsin's Athletics Department. We have also determined that Montee Ball was present at the location of that fight, but we have no information that leads us to believe that he had any involvement in that particular event. There was one individual that did sustain an injury during the fight, and was subsequently treated at a local hospital for that injury. There is a potential for charges to be pursued, related to the investigated fight, but no charges have been filed. As this investigation is ongoing, specific details outlining the identities of either victims or involved parties are not being released.

The report goes on to state that while Ball was attacked on a public street, the incident does not fit the pattern of a string of recent random attacks in the city. The Madison Police Department will not comment further on the case as it pursues leads that may result in charges -- both for the attack on Ball and the previous fight that allegedly involved members of the Wisconsin football team.


http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/8/4/3220120/montee-ball-attack-updated-police-report
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
I think it's safe to say that I definitely hung out with a different group in college than you. Very few people who I knew well flunked out of school but I we almost everyone that I knew drank too much, there were sometimes fights amongst drunk college kids, and there was definitely drug use.

I think RedPoo was just pointing out that those kinds of shenanigans are pretty common place amongst a lot, and I mean A LOT of students at the U, athlete or not. I agree with him.
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+1
 

bigtenchamps1899 said:
none of those rbs are heisman candidates. sure, the badgers might be ok, but it would be a huge blow to the program to lose the player that many people think is the frontrunner for the heisman. a heisman would mean prestige, money, better recruiting, bragging rights and another step toward national respectability that badger fans crave. yes it would hurt and yes the badgers would be ok, but i'm guessing that bert and berry are not as nonchalant about it as you.

ball getting jumped is very meh. but if there is some sort of cover up of the actions of a player that the university of wisconsin is pimping to the heisman board, then that would be pretty serious. bigger than a guy getting jumped, bigger than a few football players getting in a fight.

it seems that there is blood in the water and the sharts at espn are circling madison.
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You're both right, in my estimation. The Badgers, and Ball's strength, comes from the consistency in their offensive line play. As long as you have a B10 caliber RB in their backfield, he will produce behind their offensive line. Indeed, losing Ball may only cost a game, or two if they're unlucky, for Wisconsin. However, the potential impact of losing a Heisman candidate, and worse, a Heisman winner, is where the real damage is done.

Of course, I've been searching for ways to find a Badger downfall for the last decade+, and it has never come to fruition. The fact still remains, you only remain on the right side of a coin flip so many times. In this circumstance, however, they have the follies of Penn St and Ohio St, which are, for the moment greater, and provide insulation. If Wisconsin takes the challenge head-on, I don't think there is a major impact. Ball and a few others miss early pancakes, Ball still gets Heisman hype, Wisconsin should be undefeated headed into B10 play. If they try to skirt around it, then who knows.
 

The Madison Police Department straight up LIED to the media about its investigation into the Montee Ball attack ... and tried to throw TMZ under the bus ... but their plan has backfired ... bigtime.

TMZ broke the story ... the Madison Police Department HAD launched in an investigation into tips that Ball and several of his UW football teammates beat up a man at a party on July 27 ... several days before Ball was attacked on campus. Cops told the media that the TMZ report was not true.

They lied.





http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/04/montee-ball-fight-madison-police-department/


The one thing an old ink stained wretch once told me, never take on someone who buys ink by the barrell. Update I guess, don't take on anyone who might have access to information.

I don't see Bret being nimble enough to dance out of this.
 

"No matter how good their influences, or how much the staff tries to recruit "good" kids, plenty of them are going to get in trouble. Even the good ones." Maybe so, but you can improve your odds of minimizing trouble by considering character when you recruit.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
"No matter how good their influences, or how much the staff tries to recruit "good" kids, plenty of them are going to get in trouble. Even the good ones." Maybe so, but you can improve your odds of minimizing trouble by considering character when you recruit.
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I agree. To respond to some other posters...

I reject that illegal activity just happens with nonfootball players....so if it happens with athletes we shouldn't be surprised. Drugs, assaults, etc. It isn't that hard to keep ones nose clean.

Will things be perfect here...no. but Kill is certainly trying to keep tabs on his kids as close to 24/7 as possible. Teaching them leadership...peer influence and review to do the right thing.

Think BB has his players who skip class wear a 'i let my teammates down' t shirt? I doubt it.

GM
 

gophermartin said:
Think BB has his players who skip class wear a 'i let my teammates down' t shirt? I doubt it.

GM
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Hum...Does that make Coach Kill different? The last time that I said that he was, there was a small but vocal group that said all coaches do the same thing, i.e. that Coach Kill is no different than anybody else. Therefore, I might suggest that Coach Kill is "uncommon".:)
 

Buried in a Wisconsin State Journal Story that reports Montee Ball was at the fight and that other players are implicated.

"Athletic department spokesman Brian Lucas didn’t return phone calls Saturday seeking comment about the presence of football players at the party."

Brian Lucas not returning calls, hmm. Is he waiting for the "company line" to stonewall this? Or is it possible Barry and Bret haven't made a decision on which way to go? The clock is ticking, that Monday camp opening press conference is looming. Will we see softballs from lap dogs, or a journalist ask who are the other 9 players at that fight?

Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/...e72-11e1-b19e-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz22gWW8QjW
 

husker70 said:
The Madison Police Department straight up LIED to the media about its investigation into the Montee Ball attack ... and tried to throw TMZ under the bus ... but their plan has backfired ... bigtime.

TMZ broke the story ... the Madison Police Department HAD launched in an investigation into tips that Ball and several of his UW football teammates beat up a man at a party on July 27 ... several days before Ball was attacked on campus. Cops told the media that the TMZ report was not true.

They lied.
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Saw the police report saying that the TMZ report was wrong. The police are saying that they have no evidence that Ball was involved in the initial fight. TMZ's big revelation of the LIE says twice that Ball was -- just as you write above. That's not a lie that's just TMZ misinterpreting the meaning of words.
 

gophermartin said:
I agree. To respond to some other posters...

I reject that illegal activity just happens with nonfootball players....so if it happens with athletes we shouldn't be surprised. Drugs, assaults, etc. It isn't that hard to keep ones nose clean.

Will things be perfect here...no. but Kill is certainly trying to keep tabs on his kids as close to 24/7 as possible. Teaching them leadership...peer influence and review to do the right thing.

Think BB has his players who skip class wear a 'i let my teammates down' t shirt? I doubt it.

GM
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I'm not saying that people should just be happy about football players getting into trouble, but I think a lot of people who went to the U could attest to seeing fights amongst drunk college kids, people experimenting with drugs (especially weed), and underage drinking. I'm not supporting it or whatever, but I think it's pretty naive to think that a lot of college kids at all schools don't share that experience (underage drinking, marijuana, sometimes seeing drunken fights).

I hate BB and I hate WI, but I don't think they generally run a program that gets into a lot of trouble. It happens, just like it happens here. We lost a kid this winter who was recruited by Kill and stole suitcases from the airport (GeShun Harris). He did this despite having the threat of having to wear a loafer shirt.

I guess for me, I just think some things are always going to happen, even at the programs with the least amount of troubles. Personally, I think it's because a lot of the things that happens with athletes happen at every campus throughout the college population. I'm not condoning it or suggesting those players shouldn't receive punishment but I expect to read about a few cases of drunken shenanigans every year. From my experience, it's what college kids do.
 

Bob Loblaw

There is a great deal of difference between having too much to drink and beating up a kid so that he has to go to a hospital. Our society tends to treat athletes differently when they get into trouble. As a result by the time they are in high school many of them believe they are special and that the rules don't apply to them. As a results when some of them become professional football players they are just one step away from committing a serious offense.

What I like about Coach Kill is that he understands this and tries to teach his players discipline and life skills that go beyond football. He has often stated that football has saved some kids lives. I suspect that is particularly true for those who were coached by Coach Kill and his staff. It is one of the things that makes Coach Kill uncommon.
 

I think more than anything some people HOPE something big will go down in Madison because of this, but most of us realize that not much will probably come of it.
 

Dunceswithwolves said:
Saw the police report saying that the TMZ report was wrong. The police are saying that they have no evidence that Ball was involved in the initial fight. TMZ's big revelation of the LIE says twice that Ball was -- just as you write above. That's not a lie that's just TMZ misinterpreting the meaning of words.
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I hope you realize that what copied from TMZ and noted their report. They are making the claim. And this all centers around the word involved. Being there puts anyone closer to being involved.
 

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