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short ornery norwegian said:
Said it before and I'll say it again - the B1G title will not come down to who has "the best team." It will come down to which team has the most key players available.

and of course, all of that assumes that teams are being truthful about covid issues.

I could see a team - or multiple teams - trying to cover up positive cases. Having said that, if anyone tries that and gets caught, I think the NCAA would hit them with some very severe penalties.

but the bottom line - unless teams are being unusually open, you may not know who is available for a game until the teams go out on the field.
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The COVID rules are coming from conferences for the most part, so not sure the NCAA could actually do anything.

SEC actually already fined some schools.

Otherwise I'm sure if the NCAA comes down on a school they'll go full UNC and say "Naw all our regular students did it too so fake classes rule again!"
 

For those worried about false positives, the protocol specifies that, a positive antigen test be followed up by a PCR test. It takes a positive on both tests to be considered a positive.
 


GoForGold said:
FYI, it's a hot topic on a Michigan forum at the moment.

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I imagine it would be. Something is moving the line in MIchigans favor at a staggering pace. You wonder if we are down several starters or something.
 


Grant said:
I imagine it would be. Something is moving the line in MIchigans favor at a staggering pace. You wonder if we are down several starters or something.
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I find it hard to imagine that we'd be down several starters and not have heard something. No way random betters have that information and local sports reporters don't.
 

Grant said:
I imagine it would be. Something is moving the line in MIchigans favor at a staggering pace. You wonder if we are down several starters or something.
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Unless I am missing something the line has gone from us as a small favorite to them as a small favorite. Nothing totally shocking there or anything to be read into all that much.

I know the Vegas people are very dialed in but I highly doubt they have some level of inside information that the local media doesn't.

That said, the way Fleck is talking it certainly feels like there will at the very least be a handful of guys out on Saturday for one reason or another. Will be interesting to see what if any more concrete info comes out between now and Saturday.
 

Taji34 said:
I find it hard to imagine that we'd be down several starters and not have heard something. No way random betters have that information and local sports reporters don't.
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I wouldn't be so sure
 

WriterGoph said:
So you really think these huge sports conferences/leagues are gonna say, "Well yeah, this thing will have killed 300,000 people by the end of November, but no worries, we're just going to go ahead and plow forward with our football games with no precautions?"
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Appears he doesn't understand much about liability or PR.
 



I watched the presser where he talks about it, and my immediate reaction was that PJ was just being coy and not tip off one way or another. It makes the other team’s game plan that much more difficult to prep for. Without any insider knowledge, I’d be surprised if there’s multiple starters out due to positive tests. I’d be less surprised if there were zero.
 
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MNVCGUY said:
Unless I am missing something the line has gone from us as a small favorite to them as a small favorite. Nothing totally shocking there or anything to be read into all that much.

I know the Vegas people are very dialed in but I highly doubt they have some level of inside information that the local media doesn't.

That said, the way Fleck is talking it certainly feels like there will at the very least be a handful of guys out on Saturday for one reason or another. Will be interesting to see what if any more concrete info comes out between now and Saturday.
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Vegas doesn't need inside information to set the line. They really could care less who wins and by how much. They just want 50/50 split on the betting then they take their margin and profit no matter what happens. The line moves in a manner to keep the betting even.
 

This Tweet broke this morning, but the lines didn't switch from us favored to them favored, since yesterday: https://www.vegasinsider.com/colleg...vement/[email protected]/date/10-24-20

Regardless, you can always take the route of implying that Vegas "pays off" people for information, that reporters or others can't get access to because Fleck is so damn stingy.


However, do you guys remember last season when Fleck was like "a player, or players, may or may not suit up for the game". I can't remember which game it was, but I think someone was ineligible or maybe just out for a game or a half. And I think we were worried here, and it ended up being like one guy for a half or something like that.

This answer kinda feels like that. Fleck being extremely uncooperative with the reporter's question.

I hope so.
 

GoForGold said:
Vegas doesn't need inside information to set the line. They really could care less who wins and by how much. They just want 50/50 split on the betting then they take their margin and profit no matter what happens. The line moves in a manner to keep the betting even.
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This is a good point.

However, I do believe that "insiders"/"experts" (whether that's "Vegas" itself, or whomever) place (big?) bets based on who they do indeed think will win (or cover).

Think like Ace Rothstein from Casino.
 




Michigan is drawing bets because people saw Minnesota as a sight unseen favorite against a team with more history, name brand, and overall talent. It was catnip for the casual bettor.
 

HoustonTXGopher said:
Nope, they aren't going to do that, but they could instill a testing system in the BIG that makes more sense. 21 days for a potential false positive makes no sense to me. See Nick Saban...
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Nick Saban tested positive last Wednesday and tested negative three straight days afterwards. That looks like an incorrect positive.

This has nothing to do with that. It is about making sure that the virus doesn't run rampant through an entire team. Or that it is passed on to another team.

It's shocking how many people cannot seem to grasp that precautions are being taken to make sure that the season ISN'T SHUT DOWN ENTIRELY. Completely ignorant.
 

WriterGoph said:
I agree with you that the 21 days seems extreme. I really wonder if once things get started and the Big Ten sees that games (or the season) are at risk - since they also left no time for reschedules with the later start date - they will make some adjustments on the fly to the parameters?

With cases going crazy in nearly every state, that's probably not going to help. The other possibility is that maybe the CFP decides to push their dates back a couple weeks and allows for a bit more buffer in between December 19, but not sure how logistically feasible that is either
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Maybe they all need to be cardiac screened before returning to play?
 

stocker08 said:
Nick Saban tested positive last Wednesday and tested negative three straight days afterwards. That looks like an incorrect positive.

This has nothing to do with that. It is about making sure that the virus doesn't run rampant through an entire team. Or that it is passed on to another team.

It's shocking how many people cannot seem to grasp that precautions are being taken to make sure that the season ISN'T SHUT DOWN ENTIRELY. Completely ignorant.
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Well, since there have been more flu deaths than Covid deaths in an age group of 0-18 years old I must be pretty ignorant in my deduction that Covid is entirely overblown. False positives are running rampant and the BIG is going to hold out players for 21 days. SMH.
 

I'm sorry all I was not trying get the thread off topic I just want to mention those weird virus and acts differently for different people.
 

HoustonTXGopher said:
Well, since there have been more flu deaths than Covid deaths in an age group of 0-18 years old I must be pretty ignorant in my deduction that Covid is entirely overblown. False positives are running rampant and the BIG is going to hold out players for 21 days. SMH.
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And how many other people do those 0-18 year olds come in contact with on a daily basis? Nearing a quarter of a million covid deaths in the U.S....and we still have people pushing the flu (25-35k average deaths per year) narrative.

Shaking my head that ignorant people continue to post this nonsense.
 

stocker08 said:
And how many other people do those 0-18 year olds come in contact with on a daily basis? Nearing a quarter of a million covid deaths in the U.S....and we still have people pushing the flu (25-35k average deaths per year) narrative.

Shaking my head that ignorant people continue to post this nonsense.
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If you compare apples to apples the flu deaths would rival Covid deaths on a yearly basis. If you cant see the politicization of Covid then you are super ignorant. Average age of Covid death is about 82, higher than the average of all other deaths.
 


HoustonTXGopher said:
If you compare apples to apples the flu deaths would rival Covid deaths on a yearly basis. If you cant see the politicization of Covid then you are super ignorant. Average age of Covid death is about 82, higher than the average of all other deaths.
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No...they wouldn't. 30k to 40k deaths per year due to flu. It's not even close right now.

It's not about the politicization of covid. It's about morons like you that think there's no reason to maintain caution with it. Especially when a mass string of positives could easily shut the season back down.
 

GoForGold said:
FYI, it's a hot topic on a Michigan forum at the moment.

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Took a quick look over there. Some of the responses to the tweet that literally said nothing of consequence....yowza. This one seemed pretty reasonable /s


Mongo
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October 19th, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^


Great, it is only Monday and they are losing players. What happens by Friday when those final test results for game day come in ... I don't think the Michigan program should travel to that hotbed and then catch Covid to ruin the rest of the season. Fuck PJ Fleck, he is such a pin-headed shit.
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Pj can be cagey. His handling of Rochelle prior to the 2018 bowl game should be on Big Ten Classics.
 

GoForGold said:
Vegas doesn't need inside information to set the line. They really could care less who wins and by how much. They just want 50/50 split on the betting then they take their margin and profit no matter what happens. The line moves in a manner to keep the betting even.
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Mostly, but certainly not always true
 




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