B1G vs SEC

[Ope3]

SEC just means more ........... cheating, drugs, drag racing, skipping class, bag men, looking the other way, refs that are willing to impact outcomes of games and excuses.

B1G - just mean more ..... money, academics, player development and team play,

Uhh, 2023 Michigan?

 

[cncmin]

I’m not sure why that is “obvious”. The SEC may have better athletes than the B1G, but if so, not by much, especially after the new four teams were added.

I think it’s kind of obvious that the SEC has better athletes than the Big Ten. It is also becoming apparent that the coaching in the Big Ten is superior, as are the Teams in the Big Ten.

 

[Ope3]

I’m not sure why that is “obvious”. The SEC may have better athletes than the B1G, but if so, not by much, especially after the new four teams were added.

Also with the Portal & NIL the stockpile of "great athletes" aren't going to hang around 3-5 yrs content with being 2nd/3rd string waiting for their chance to start.

The best of the SEC still have great athletes, just not 50-60 as they did in previous decades.

 

[cheeseheadgophfan]

What an embarrassing display by the ACC. 2-10 so far with one win coming from a failed two point conversion. VT is their last chance for a win.

Exactly. And then to listen to Lane Kiffin brag about beating Duke without their starting quarterback and half their team as evidence that they got screwed out of the playoffs is embarrassing!!!

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Exactly. And then to listen to Lane Kiffin brag about beating Duke without their starting quarterback and half their team as evidence that they got screwed out of the playoffs is embarrassing!!!

It's a new year, and I'm trying to have more empathy, so im not going to judge a coach too harshly for grasping at straws to try to spin the facts to make his second-tier conference appear relevant.

 

[Sparlimb]

It's a new year, and I'm trying to have more empathy, so im not going to judge a coach too harshly for grasping at straws to try to spin the facts to make his second-tier conference appear relevant.

And to be fair, at least Ole Miss won a bowl game unlike most of the SEC.

 

[Unregistered User]

Even in 2019 people would parrot the “but that SEC speed” line and people would take it as gospel. Tyler Johnson was never considered a blazer, but he sure made Smoke Monday look foolish.

The fans of the SEC see their perception as reality.

 

[SeaBee_Gopher]

Like I said, to each their own.

The Billions of dollars the Big 10 gets from CBS, Fox, & NBC demonstrates to me they are already in the most powerful conference. The more air time each gets in the CFP puts the Gophers at a greater disadvantage.

The teams getting air time in the CFP are not the Gophers' peers anyway - Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon - they are and will very likely remain at another level. The B1G doing well in bowls confirms they are the premier conference (along with the SEC) to fans, players and TV execs which leads to even more money down the road which helps all teams in the conference do better in the portal. Virginia Tech just had several good players portal out to the SEC. B1G teams are starting to win these portal battles more and more with other conferences too including vs. other P4 conferences.

Geography used to be the most important criteria for determining college football success, now it's money. I'd rather be a mid-tier team in the best conference than a mid-tier team in an average conference. We'll win more games per year when you add in non-con and bowl games and winning is more fun than losing. Just ask the SEC how losing more often feels, not great! I don't see any long term structural evidence that we will ever be a top tier B1G team so I'd rather be among the best of the rest.

I have no problem with how you feel, but I'm definitely on the other side of the argument.

 

[stocker08]

The Gophers aren't getting any additional air time based on tOSU and Penn St's success

I would prefer that they have less ammo to pursue Perich or Taylor.

Feels like the Gophers have had far more nationally televised games in recent years. Part of that has been an uptick in success....but the conference media deal and association absolutely plays into it as well. Saying that conference prestige doesn't matter makes no sense.

 

[Sparlimb]

Feels like the Gophers have had far more nationally televised games in recent years. Part of that has been an uptick in success....but the conference media deal and association absolutely plays into it as well. Saying that conference prestige doesn't matter makes no sense.

Most of you are too young, but back in the 80s, we were lucky to have one game on tv per year. The year Rickey Foggie upset Michigan in Ann Arbor, game wasn't on. But I did get to see OSU destroy Wisconsin instead.

 

[Ope3]

Feels like the Gophers have had far more nationally televised games in recent years. Part of that has been an uptick in success....but the conference media deal and association absolutely plays into it as well. Saying that conference prestige doesn't matter makes no sense.

The Conference prestige will exist whether the Big 10 does well in Bowls/CFP or not, just as it did during the multiple decade drought without a Title (except by Ohio St)

It's one of the Power 2 regardless. Losing these games would not matter where 1 iota.

I've been following the Gophers the for half a century now. The Buckeyes have been scary dominating. If their success is elevating Minnesota somehow, we're sure playing the slow game.

 

[btowngopher]

Even in 2019 people would parrot the “but that SEC speed” line and people would take it as gospel. Tyler Johnson was never considered a blazer, but he sure made Smoke Monday look foolish.

The fans of the SEC see their perception as reality.

It’s just annoying when they act like the SEC is in its own level somewhere between college and NFL. Also when you had more teams than every other conference for years of course you can produce more good teams.

 

[Gilthorp57]

Most of you are too young, but back in the 80s, we were lucky to have one game on tv per year. The year Rickey Foggie upset Michigan in Ann Arbor, game wasn't on. But I did get to see OSU destroy Wisconsin instead.

It was always either NE-OH-MI-ND in the Midwest. AL in the South and USC in the West. With OK and Penn State sprinkled in.

 

[Tech Machine]

I’m not sure why that is “obvious”. The SEC may have better athletes than the B1G, but if so, not by much, especially after the new four teams were added.

My feeling is that the SEC guys seem to be drafted higher, that’s what my opinion is based on, then again I may be wrong…..or not

 

[GFBfan]

It’s just annoying when they act like the SEC is in its own level somewhere between college and NFL. Also when you had more teams than every other conference for years of course you can produce more good teams.

They also play only 8 conference games. Typically have that extra game be a Group of 5 or FCS team assuring another victory and padding the “strength” of the SEC.

 

[stocker08]

The Conference prestige will exist whether the Big 10 does well in Bowls/CFP or not, just as it did during the multiple decade drought without a Title (except by Ohio St)

It's one of the Power 2 regardless. Losing these games would not matter where 1 iota.

I've been following the Gophers the for half a century now. The Buckeyes have been scary dominating. If their success is elevating Minnesota somehow, we're sure playing the slow game.

The better the conference is.....the more likely players from around the nation will want to play in said conference. And more likely that national media outlets will cover the conference and televise their games nationally.

Makes way more sense than claiming that other Big Ten teams losing their meaningless bowl games will cause their players to transfer out of the program.

 

[Slim Tubby]

We need the B1G-SEC Challenge in college football.

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

We need the B1G-SEC Challenge in college football.

The B1G would dominate it, and then the SEC apologists would say that you can't make judgments based on a bunch of one-off out of conference games, and you instead need to look at how the SEC teams do against the SEC schedule to prove how strong they are.

 

[cncmin]

Most of you are too young, but back in the 80s, we were lucky to have one game on tv per year. The year Rickey Foggie upset Michigan in Ann Arbor, game wasn't on. But I did get to see OSU destroy Wisconsin instead.

you are kind of correct….there certainly were far fewer Gopher games on TV. But I have explicit memories of being in Sears shopping and watching that upset over Michigan on the display TVs there.

 

[Ope3]

you are kind of correct….there certainly were far fewer Gopher games on TV. But I have explicit memories of being in Sears shopping and watching that upset over Michigan on the display TVs there.

You sure you weren't just watching highlights? Per Wiki the game was on PASS which was a Detroit Regional Sports Network, not available in the Twin Cities.

I recall listening to the game on WCCO-830, but whatever other game I was watching on local TV would break in with a Gopher-Wolverines 1986 highlight after a scoring play.

1986 Minnesota Golden Gophers football team - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Maybe Sears had a satellite hookup?

 

[Ope3]

The better the conference is.....the more likely players from around the nation will want to play in said conference. And more likely that national media outlets will cover the conference and televise their games nationally.

Makes way more sense than claiming that other Big Ten teams losing their meaningless bowl games will cause their players to transfer out of the program.

I did not in any way claim that "teams losing their meaningless bowl games will cause their players to transfer out of the program."

To clarify, I hope the good/star players for other Big 10 teams leave as quickly as possible no matter the circumstances, whether it's during/after the season or before/after Bowl or Playoff games.

Penn St's backup QB already hit the Portal. Good. I hope it's to a team outside the Big 10 or at least not on the Gophers schedule. If others on the teams still playing in the CFP are hanging around until they are out, then I hope they lose ASAP so they can be on their way.

As far as covering Big 10 games nationally, newsflash that's going to happen anyway. All 4 Major Networks now cover games along with multiple cable/streamers. They have to show something. The Conference is in the BIGgest markets nationally with millions and millions of alumni.

They are going to keep ponying up that dough regardless how the Big 10 performs in the CFP or Bowls. Call it a hunch.

 

[stocker08]

I did not in any way claim that "teams losing their meaningless bowl games will cause their players to transfer out of the program."

To clarify, I hope the good/star players for other Big 10 teams leave as quickly as possible no matter the circumstances, whether it's during/after the season or before/after Bowl or Playoff games.

Penn St's backup QB already hit the Portal. Good. I hope it's to a team outside the Big 10 or at least not on the Gophers schedule. If others on the teams still playing in the CFP are hanging around until they are out, then I hope they lose ASAP so they can be on their way.

As far as covering Big 10 games nationally, newsflash that's going to happen anyway. All 4 Major Networks now cover games along with multiple cable/streamers. They have to show something. The Conference is in the BIGgest markets nationally with millions and millions of alumni.

They are going to keep ponying up that dough regardless how the Big 10 performs in the CFP or Bowls. Call it a hunch.

You didn't say that you wanted Big Ten teams to lose so their players transfer out? News to me.....considering that you posted this:

I'm rather disappointed by all this Big 10 post season success.

As a Gopher fan I root for all of the other 17 to lose as quick as possible then hope their best players hit the Portal and transfer out of conference or declare for the NFL Draft.

To each their own...

Furthermore.....there's a reason why the SEC and the Big Ten have the largest media deals and the most nationally televised games. Don't think that has anything to do with relative conference strength?

 

[Dave H]

I'm rather disappointed by all this Big 10 post season success.

As a Gopher fan I root for all of the other 17 to lose as quick as possible then hope their best players hit the Portal and transfer out of conference or declare for the NFL Draft.

To each their own...

Same. Conference loyalty makes me gag.

 

[Slim Tubby]

Same. Conference loyalty makes me gag.

Normally, me too but I sure have enjoyed myself watching the B1G teams have success while the SEC shits the bed.

 

[Ope3]

They also play only 8 conference games. Typically have that extra game be a Group of 5 or FCS team assuring another victory and padding the “strength” of the SEC.

That 8 Game SEC Conference Game schedule does irk me, especially playing some cupcake Non-Conf opponent as a quasi-bye in November.

 

[Tech Machine]

Next August Minnesota will get 0 top 25 votes and be picked to finish 15th in the conference. Nebraska will be in the top 20, Iowa and Wisconsin will be just outside the top 25. Seems hard to break those old tendencies.

 

[Ope3]

You didn't say that you wanted Big Ten teams to lose so their players transfer out? News to me.....considering that you posted:

I hope the other Big 10 teams LOSE. I hope their (good) players transfer out. It doesn't have to be caused by losing (though if it did all the better).

They can be completely independent.

As I clarified I hope they transfer as soon as possible pre-Bowl/CFP or after, for whatever reason.

If they're playing in a Bowl/CFP, maybe they are sticking around for NIL fulfillment, haven't received a better offer yet, have loyalty to their team (kudos), want to put another game on film or are undecided on Draft prospects. I just want them to go to the Portal (or declare for the NFL Draft) and enhance the chances of the Gophers beating that team in the future and/or finish higher in the standings.

Furthermore.....there's a reason why the SEC and the Big Ten have the largest media deals and the most nationally televised games. Don't think that has anything to do with relative conference strength?

Very little, not nearly as much as market size and sizeable alumni/fan bases with very favorable demographics & spending power. When the recent deal was inked only Ohio St had won a National title this century as a member of the Big 10.

They already are the Super Power 2. That's not changing. Ever, regardless of how the current 18 Big 10 teams do in Bowls or the CFP. Unless they merge and become the Super Power 1. They already have an alliance.

When the Big 10 media deals increase it doesn't enhance the Gophers strength within the Conference at all. That's what I personally care about.

As I have now said multiple times in this thread...to each their own.

The only time I cared about the SEC vs Big 10 is when the Gophers have played Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri & Auburn. If the future games against Mississippi St & Alabama go on as scheduled, I will care about it then.

 

[Ope3]

We need the B1G-SEC Challenge in college football.

If the Big 10 went 1-15 and included a Gopher victory over Ole Miss, that would be my nirvana.

 

[Ope3]

Same. Conference loyalty makes me gag.

I'll go further and still don't consider Penn St a true member of the Big 10.

I'm making them wait 4 decades before they fulfill my probation requirement.

 

[Dave H]

Hah I'm the same way!