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howeda7 said:
They seem closer to winning? The Raiders don't seem to be in a spot to go all-in on 3/$100 million for a QB. Russ will cost about $10 million and be a stop gap.
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3/100 million eats up most of the Steelers cap space. LV has more than double the cap space.
There's also no guarantee LV will get a QB in this years or next year's draft.

Russell Wilson is also terrible and has been for years. Theres a reason Seattle chose Geno Smith over him Pete's last two years there.
 
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howeda7 said:
It depends what you mean by "solved" and "short-term". Manning was the Broncos starter for four years, won the Division four times, made the Super Bowl twice and won one. I'd say he solved it. And he stayed nearly as long as a rookie 1st round pick would on his first contract. Same thing with Warner and Arizona.

This century, free agents have won the Super Bowl five times (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.) (Not counting Nick Foles.)
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Fair points. And I missed a pretty obvious one, I'd say Baker worked out fine for Tampa (for now, anyway).
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
3/100 million eats up most of the Steelers cap space. LV has more than double the cap space.
There's also no guarantee LV will get a QB in this years or next year's draft.

Russell Wilson is also terrible and has been for years. Theres a reason Seattle chose Geno Smith over him Pete's last two years there.
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I'm not saying the Raiders will for sure get Wilson. Only that Pittsburgh makes more sense for Darnold.
 


howeda7 said:
It depends what you mean by "solved" and "short-term". Manning was the Broncos starter for four years, won the Division four times, made the Super Bowl twice and won one. I'd say he solved it. And he stayed nearly as long as a rookie 1st round pick would on his first contract. Same thing with Warner and Arizona.

This century, free agents have won the Super Bowl five times (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.) (Not counting Nick Foles.)
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I tried a quick Google search and came up empty, but would be interested to know if there were any starting QB's in 2024 who had been on that team for 6 or more seasons after having been drafted (or signed initially) with another team?

You'd have to project into the future, but maybe Baker Mayfield at Tampa? EDIT: Breakin' beat me to it
 
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You also have the Stafford - Goff swap. Does that count? Each side has certainly liked how they came out of it.

Will Stafford play one more year with the Rams? $49M savings if he retires

Guessing that Derek Carr and Andy Dalton are not going to make it.
 






GopherWeatherGuy said:
Do they? The Rams won a Super Bowl. Detroit is a Matthew Stafford away from winning a Super Bowl.
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Detroit without the draft capital and salary cap flexibility gained from the trade likely wouldn't be in the position that they are in.

Last year I think the Lions were a poor decision to go for it on 4th Down instead of kicking a FG to go up 3 scores from at least winning the NFC Championship.
 

Ope3 said:
Detroit without the draft capital and salary cap flexibility gained from the trade likely wouldn't be in the position that they are in.

Last year I think the Lions were a poor decision to go for it on 4th Down instead of kicking a FG to go up 3 scores from at least winning the NFC Championship.
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I don't disagree with either of those things. But it's rare that a franchise gives up on a young, #1 overall pick, who led them to a NFC championship game at the age of 24.

The Rams didn't think Goff could win them a Super Bowl. So far they are right.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I don't disagree with either of those things. But it's rare that a franchise gives up on a young, #1 overall pick, who led them to a NFC championship game at the age of 24.

The Rams didn't think Goff could win them a Super Bowl. So far they are right.
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And I don't disagree with any of that either. However, considering Stafford requested the trade, Detroit did incredibly well on the return back. Pretty rare in that type of situation, when any franchise player is begging out, across the pro sports spectrum.

It can't be viewed as anything but a Win-Win, in my opinion. Especially un-Lions like for well over a half century up to that point.
 



Ope3 said:
Detroit without the draft capital and salary cap flexibility gained from the trade likely wouldn't be in the position that they are in.

Last year I think the Lions were a poor decision to go for it on 4th Down instead of kicking a FG to go up 3 scores from at least winning the NFC Championship.
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You spelled “dropped pass on a 4th down” wrong, but otherwise this is spot on.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
3/100 million eats up most of the Steelers cap space. LV has more than double the cap space.
There's also no guarantee LV will get a QB in this years or next year's draft.

Russell Wilson is also terrible and has been for years. Theres a reason Seattle chose Geno Smith over him Pete's last two years there.
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I hate seeing a team that has so many holes elsewhere, spending a lot of draft or salary capital on a QB. The Raiders are so far away from being anything, I'd almost rather they rolled with Aidan O'Connell next season and fill a bunch of holes at other positions this year, basically punt on 2025. They are not close. Maybe they can get a QB in the 2026 Draft.

Cousins could be floating around out there available, and for a small price because he's being paid by Atlanta.

Saw Rich Gannon float the idea yesterday of the Raiders picking up Daniel Jones. Honestly I wouldn't hate it for the Raiders.

Arthur Smith could do wonders with Darnold in Pittsburgh.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
Chip Kelly joining the Raiders. Who might be interesting to watch in the future

sports.yahoo.com

Chip Kelly reportedly leaving Ohio State to become Raiders' offensive coordinator

Kelly was with the Buckeyes for one season.
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Not overly surprised? I thought either the OC or DC jobs (or both) would be attractive to outside candidates because Coach Pete C is clearly not on the 6-8 year HC plan; Kelly is probably looking at this as a chance to backdoor his way into an NFL Head Coaching gig in a few years.

At any rate, I'm happy there are some adults in the room and some experienced people in charge. Hiring Antonio Pierce was one of the most mindboggling stupid moves in a long time. Thanks a lot, Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Not overly surprised? I thought either the OC or DC jobs (or both) would be attractive to outside candidates because Coach Pete C is clearly not on the 6-8 year HC plan; Kelly is probably looking at this as a chance to backdoor his way into an NFL Head Coaching gig in a few years.

At any rate, I'm happy there are some adults in the room and some experienced people in charge. Hiring Antonio Pierce was one of the most mindboggling stupid moves in a long time. Thanks a lot, Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams.
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I'm not sure why you're pinning it on Crosby & Adams. Ultimately Davis didn't have to kowtow to those guys.
 

Ope3 said:
I'm not sure why you're pinning it on Crosby & Adams. Ultimately Davis didn't have to kowtow to those guys.
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No, he didn't. But that is/was Mark Davis' biggest problem over the years, listening to the players too much.

First, Crosby and Adams went running to Davis because Josh McDaniels was making the team work too hard and be accountable, so Davis fired Josh McD. And after some moderate success against some miserable teams who were playing 2nd and 3rd string QBs, Crosby and Adams (Crosby the most vocal) threw a hissy fit unless Davis gave Antonio Pierce the full time job.

At any rate, it's obvious Tom Brady has a major voice in the building now and is helping steer the ship in the right direction, even though a lot of people seem to hate that for whatever reason. Crazy shit, having someone around that knows what a winning organization and winning culture looks like
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
No, he didn't. But that is/was Mark Davis' biggest problem over the years, listening to the players too much.

First, Crosby and Adams went running to Davis because Josh McDaniels was making the team work too hard and be accountable, so Davis fired Josh McD. And after some moderate success against some miserable teams who were playing 2nd and 3rd string QBs, Crosby and Adams (Crosby the most vocal) threw a hissy fit unless Davis gave Antonio Pierce the full time job.

At any rate, it's obvious Tom Brady has a major voice in the building now and is helping steer the ship in the right direction, even though a lot of people seem to hate that for whatever reason. Crazy shit, having someone around that knows what a winning organization and winning culture looks like
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Personally, I don't have a problem Brady running the show. Maybe he can be the next Jerry West or Mario Lemieux going from superstar to front office success.

He's got to bail on the Fox gig though. Has to be one or the other.

As for Davis this past off-season even if he hadn't listened to Crosby & Adams, he was fully capable a making a bonehead decision on his own anyway.
 

Ope3 said:
Personally, I don't have a problem Brady running the show. Maybe he can be the next Jerry West or Mario Lemieux going from superstar to front office success.

He's got to bail on the Fox gig though. Has to be one or the other.

As for Davis this past off-season even if he hadn't listened to Crosby & Adams, he was fully capable a making a bonehead decision on his own anyway.
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I don't know how this is going to turn out. Clearly, right now, the NFL doesn't have an issue. But that could change if the noise gets louder. Brady isn't likely to walk away from the kind of money he's getting from Fox.

They have made some stipulations I guess; the biggest one I know of is Brady can't attend the pre-production meetings on game week where the TV guys sit with coaches from each team to talk about previous games, this game, etc. That seems like a small thing, as I would think there's no doubt he still has access to the coaches and talks to them, just not during the pre-production meeting.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I don't know how this is going to turn out. Clearly, right now, the NFL doesn't have an issue. But that could change if the noise gets louder. Brady isn't likely to walk away from the kind of money he's getting from Fox.

They have made some stipulations I guess; the biggest one I know of is Brady can't attend the pre-production meetings on game week where the TV guys sit with coaches from each team to talk about previous games, this game, etc. That seems like a small thing, as I would think there's no doubt he still has access to the coaches and talks to them, just not during the pre-production meeting.
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I don't think the other Owners would squawk if it was just a minor owner/silent partner type role. With a decision maker/strong influence on Davis' moves I think that could change.

If he really wants to succeed at either, it would also seem logical he needs to focus on one or the other.

He's not very good in the booth. It should be an easy call, except you're right. It's a ton of dough.
 
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