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I saw the Jets pop up today, so let chaos begin. Let’s see if they shock us and actually hire a good coach this time 🤷‍♂️

Latest buzz on Jets' head coaching search: Mike Vrabel available to interview immediately with Browns consultancy done​


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Latest buzz on Jets' head coaching search: Mike Vrabel available to interview immediately with Browns consultancy done

The latest news and buzz on the Jets' search for a new head coach.
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Mike Vrabel didn't land a head coaching job last offseason, so he spent the season as a coaching and personnel consultant with the Cleveland Browns.

But Vrabel's consulting gig in Cleveland reportedly ended on Monday, meaning he is immediately available to interview with other clubs.

According to SNY NFL Insider Connor Hughes, three teams to watch when it comes to potentially hiring Vrabel are the Jets, Bears, and Raiders.

Vrabel has previously expressed interest in coaching the Jets, with ESPN's Rich Cimini saying earlier this month that Vrabel would need to be on board with the team's general manager hire to consider taking the job in New York.

The Jets will interview Ron Rivera for their head coaching job, per multiple reports.

Rivera, 62, was the head coach of Washington from 2020 to 2023.

Before that stint, he was the head coach of the Panthers from 2011 to 2019.

Jeff Ulbrich has been serving as New York's interim head coach since Robert Saleh was fired in October, but is not expected to be under serious consideration for the full-time job.

Rex Ryan expects to talk with Gang Green about its impending vacancy after the regular season ends, he said Monday during an appearance on ESPN New York radio.

Ryan, 62, coached the Jets from 2009 to 2014, a span that included back-to-back trips to the AFC Championship Game after the 2009 and 2010 seasons, where New York fell to the Colts and then Steelers. The Jets have not been back to the playoffs since their AFC title game loss to Pittsburgh in January of 2011.
 

I didn't think that Flores would ever get another HC opportunity after the fiasco in MIA but his name is getting mentioned a lot lately.

It's nice having a cerebral HC under contract that just graduated from high school.
 

I can't believe that Rex Ryan is only 62. I see him quite a bit on Get Up on ESPN, and I would've guessed 75. He is only 5 years older than Mike Greenberg, but looks like he could be Greeny's dad.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I can't believe that Rex Ryan is only 62. I see him quite a bit on Get Up on ESPN, and I would've guessed 75. He is only 5 years older than Mike Greenberg, but looks like he could be Greeny's dad.
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The most Jets thing ever would bd to bring him back,!in stead of figuring out how yo land Vrabel.
 

Slim Tubby said:
I didn't think that Flores would ever get another HC opportunity after the fiasco in MIA but his name is getting mentioned a lot lately.
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I agree, especially when there are so many good young coordinators who haven’t sued their employer.

I think he’s a easy name to throw in an article or mention on TV.

Pay the man his money and give him some spotlight and he can be the next Spags.
Slim Tubby said:
It's nice having a cerebral HC under contract that just graduated from high school.
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Yes, KOC and I have the same cross to 🐻; our boyish handsomeness🤣
 


Openings talk from b4 the weekend games
Several teams likely to be looking.
Lotta steam from many places Ben Johnson to the Bears...front runner often doesn't seem to get the job?
Somebody hire Vrabel I'd think. If Johnson doesn't go to Bears ... he's gotta take a job somewhere while the iron is hot. Iowa St guy was everybody's number one a few years ago...not much buzz currently.
Flores doesn't seem personable enough to get hired as much as coaches talk to the media. Especially with his lawsuit handicap.
Brian Flores NO for Bears
More info on Flores and the Bears
 
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Slim Tubby said:
I didn't think that Flores would ever get another HC opportunity after the fiasco in MIA but his name is getting mentioned a lot lately.

It's nice having a cerebral HC under contract that just graduated from high school.
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Gopher_In_NYC said:
I agree, especially when there are so many good young coordinators who haven’t sued their employer.

I think he’s a easy name to throw in an article or mention on TV.

Pay the man his money and give him some spotlight and he can be the next Spags.
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I still think Flores' bigger issue with getting another job is how he treated people in Miami; how he treated Tua (and I'm not a big Tua fan), how he treated members of his own coaching staff, and mostly how he treated subordinates in the building. I don't know how many teams really give a f*ck that he's suing the league.

I would think in an interview he's going to have to show how he's changed and what he learned about treating people like shit that work for you.

I don't know why people so automatically think that being a great OC or DC means you'll likely be a good HC; look at Zimmer, Spags, Vance Joseph, Monte Kiffin, et al. The list is long.

What's so insulting about being one of 32 OCs or DCs in the NFL and making $3-$5M/year?
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I still think Flores' bigger issue with getting another job is how he treated people in Miami; how he treated Tua (and I'm not a big Tua fan), how he treated members of his own coaching staff, and mostly how he treated subordinates in the building. I don't know how many teams really give a f*ck that he's suing the league.
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I was referring to him suing the Dolphins (his employer)which was one of three NFL teams he sued in addition to the NFL, as well.
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Flores sues NFL, teams, alleges racism in hiring

Among Brian Flores' allegations: Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100K for every loss in 2019 to help with draft position and the Giants conducted a "sham" in-person interview with him to comply with the Rooney Rule after deciding on Brian Daboll.
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Brian Flores has sued the NFL and three teams -- the Dolphins, Broncos and Giants -- alleging discrimination regarding his interview processes with Denver and New York and his firing last month by Miami

From what I read, when it happened, that represented a 🚩 to teams, in addition to the other issues you mentioned. Point being, is there is a lot of of coaching talent and few slots, so why as an employer do I take a chance on him, when there are a plethora of other possibilities?

He was also 24-25 in three seasons.
Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I would think in an interview he's going to have to show how he's changed and what he learned about treating people like shit that work for you.

I don't know why people so automatically think that being a great OC or DC means you'll likely be a good HC; look at Zimmer, Spags, Vance Joseph, Monte Kiffin, et al. The list is long.
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Most new HCs move up from coordinator to get their shot, unless they’re a retread; never said they were going to be a good HC, only said they were good young coordinators, ergo, they earned a shot to be the top dog.

There are of course many, as you pointed out who aren’t good HCs, but if you’re fortunate, you might hire a KOC or McVay.

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
What's so insulting about being one of 32 OCs or DCs in the NFL and making $3-$5M/yea
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From my post -

Pay the man his money and give him some spotlight and he can be the next Spags.

To clarify - that’s a reference to Spags being the DC with KC
 
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Slim Tubby said:
I didn't think that Flores would ever get another HC opportunity after the fiasco in MIA but his name is getting mentioned a lot lately.

It's nice having a cerebral HC under contract that just graduated from high school.
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I think Flores should stay another year here, and then take a HC job.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
I was referring to him suing the Dolphins (his employer)which was one of three NFL teams he sued in addition to the NFL, as well.
www.espn.com

Flores sues NFL, teams, alleges racism in hiring

Among Brian Flores' allegations: Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100K for every loss in 2019 to help with draft position and the Giants conducted a "sham" in-person interview with him to comply with the Rooney Rule after deciding on Brian Daboll.
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Brian Flores has sued the NFL and three teams -- the Dolphins, Broncos and Giants -- alleging discrimination regarding his interview processes with Denver and New York and his firing last month by Miami

From what I read, when it happened, that represented a 🚩 to teams, in addition to the other issues you mentioned. Point being, is there is a lot of of coaching talent and few slots, so why as an employer do I take a chance on him, when there are a plethora of other possibilities?

He was also 24-25 in three seasons.

Most new HCs move up from coordinator to get their shot, unless they’re a retread; never said they were going to be a good HC, only said they were good young coordinators, ergo, they earned a shot to be the top dog.

There are of course many, as you pointed out who aren’t good HCs, but if you’re fortunate, you might hire a KOC or McVay.


From my post -

Pay the man his money and give him some spotlight and he can be the next Spags.

To clarify - that’s a reference to Spags being the DC with KC
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Absolutely.

As a business owner, I'm a big believer in overpaying for talent. As a billionaire owner, I'd be more than happy to pay KOC $25M/year than a Daboll or Steichen or Mike McDaniel $15M/year.

Same with Flores, if he really likes it here and obviously, he's OKAY with being a DC; pay him as the highest paid DC in the league and be done with it.

I've made this same comparison to a few others; say I have a neat little niche coffee shop where the going rate for a barista (or whatever the f*ck they call coffee makers nowadays) is like $17/hour. But let's say I have a really cute girl there working for me with big cans that I know a HUGE portion of the customer base is coming to see.

I'm paying that girl $25/hr, minimum. No question about it. She's making me money, and to think of the money that I would LOSE if she left? Hell no.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:

Patriots fire Jerod Mayo, Bill Belichick's replacement, after just 1 season​


Didn’t even wait until Black Monday.
Vrabel with his history there seems like a good fit to me.

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Patriots fire Jerod Mayo, Bill Belichick's replacement, after just 1 season

Jerod Mayo had a tough time taking over for a legend. Who might the Patriots target next?
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Losing is one thing; looking clueless while you're doing it is another. Sometimes it's not that hard to tell if someone is "the guy" or not. They've got something really good with Drake Maye, best to not f*ck it up any longer
 



Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Losing is one thing; looking clueless while you're doing it is another. Sometimes it's not that hard to tell if someone is "the guy" or not. They've got something really good with Drake Maye, best to not f*ck it up any longer
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Sounds like he’s gonna go experienced HC now, possible names tossed around on The Athletic

Aforementioned Vrabel
Carroll, who has unfinished business there
McCarthy if he doesn’t stay with Dallas
 

Jacksonville Jaguars fire head coach Doug Pederson while New York Giants retain Brian Daboll​


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Jacksonville Jaguars fire head coach Doug Pederson while New York Giants retain Brian Daboll

Elsewhere, the New York Giants confirmed they will retain both head coach Brian Daboll and general manager Joe Schoen, as was also the case for the Miami Dolphins with head coach Mike McDaniel and general manager Chris Grier
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Elsewhere, the New York Giants confirmed they will retain both head coach Brian Daboll and general manager Joe Schoen, as was also the case for the Miami Dolphins with head coach Mike McDaniel and general manager Chris Grier​

 

Possible Jags replacements, per scuttlebutt vid The Athletic -

Head-coaching candidates on the Jaguars radar include Buccaneers offensive coordinator Liam Coen, Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken, Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman and Iowa State coach Matt Campbell, according to a league source.

Lions OC Ben Johnson and Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver are also potential candidates.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Possible Jags replacements, per scuttlebutt vid The Athletic -

Head-coaching candidates on the Jaguars radar include Buccaneers offensive coordinator Liam Coen, Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken, Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman and Iowa State coach Matt Campbell, according to a league source.

Lions OC Ben Johnson and Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver are also potential candidates.
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I can see Freeman jumping to the NFL at some point - young, bright and ambitious - plots opposite of me at this juncture😎
 
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Gophers1992 said:
I think he'd be a bad hire but I respect him for saying that stuff.
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As a NYC resident, I’d be ordering all the 🍿 possible; he did get them to two AFC Championships games, so maybe he’s learned something about having a competent offensive since then, always their Achilles heel IIRC. Also compared to the coaches since then (Gase, Saleh and Bowles in his first gig) he was the best of thst lot, so 🤷‍♂️

His bombastic nature makes me ☺️.
Will always talk and you never know what he will/wont say.
 


Gopher_In_NYC said:
As a NYC resident, I’d be ordering all the 🍿 possible; he did get them to two AFC Championships games, so maybe he’s learned something about having a competent offensive since then, always their Achilles heel IIRC. Also compared to the coaches since then (Gase, Saleh and Bowles in his first gig) he was the best of thst lot, so 🤷‍♂️

His bombastic nature makes me ☺️.
Will always talk and you never know what he will/wont say.
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Ryan has his flaws, but I would imagine he might actually hold people accountable. The Jets could do a lot worse.

There's a serious epidemic in the NFL of teams/coaches not holding players accountable; the players want to have influence and help make decisions. The inmates running the asylum in a number of franchises.

A wise player once said not long ago: players play, coaches coach, owners own. Well put.

The players might like Antonio Pierce handing out cigars in the locker room after an early regular season win, but take a good look at where the Raiders are now. The Raiders fired McDaniels because he wanted the players to work too hard and Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams ran to Mark Davis and cried the blues. See how that worked out for them.

It doesn't work with a coach where everyone goes to Dairy Queen after the game. Someone has to be in charge.
 

Slim Tubby said:
My guess is Ben Johnson and Freeman are at the top of the Bears' wish list.
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My gut tells me B. Johnson will be the guy in Jacksonville, but who knows. I think there's zero chance Johnson goes to the Bears. The Bears will be left with scraps in the hiring process. It's largely a shit organization with seemingly bad owners and a clueless Front Office with Warren/Poles; I highly doubt any of the real serious candidates are going to be interested in the Chicago job.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
My gut tells me B. Johnson will be the guy in Jacksonville, but who knows. I think there's zero chance Johnson goes to the Bears. The Bears will be left with scraps in the hiring process. It's largely a shit organization with seemingly bad owners and a clueless Front Office with Warren/Poles; I highly doubt any of the real serious candidates are going to be interested in the Chicago job.
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Maybe...but the JAX situation isn't any better and Lawrence is a "going nowhere" QB to boot. Heck...with Stroud's massive regression this year, CHI might've won the AFC South if they were in that crappy Division.

It's possible that the good candidates don't want to have to compete with DET, MIN and GB for six (6) games every year and will look for a place with a better chance to win, though.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
My gut tells me B. Johnson will be the guy in Jacksonville, but who knows. I think there's zero chance Johnson goes to the Bears. The Bears will be left with scraps in the hiring process. It's largely a shit organization with seemingly bad owners and a clueless Front Office with Warren/Poles; I highly doubt any of the real serious candidates are going to be interested in the Chicago job.
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NFL Live just reported 🐻 have asked for permission to interview McCarthy and B Flo
 


Gopher_In_NYC said:
NFL Live just reported 🐻 have asked for permission to interview McCarthy and B Flo
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Cardinals are reporting that the Bears have requested to speak with Cards OC, Drew Petzig. That would be a tough blow for the Cardinals. Petzig took an undermanned roster and produced one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL and overall a very good offense, despite Marvin Harrison Jr not exactly exploding onto the scene and a QB in Murray with immense talent but some limitations.

Petzig is probably another year or two away, but good to see him getting some love. I still think the Cardinals are one of the best coached teams in the NFL despite being woefully devoid of serious talent. With the 4th most cap space available, watch out for MN-native Monti Ossenfort to make some real improvements to the Cards roster
 

Antonio Pierce - OUT!!

Happy day in Las Vegas, no doubt about it. Hire Vrabel, sign Kirk Cousins for peanuts (ala the Russell Wilson to Pitt route) and the Raiders could be watchable next year. No, Cousins isn't great and he's not the future for anyone, but the Raiders have ZERO options at the position.

Here's hoping Tom Brady helps Mark Davis land Vrabel as the new Raiders HC
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Antonio Pierce - OUT!!

Happy day in Las Vegas, no doubt about it. Hire Vrabel, sign Kirk Cousins for peanuts (ala the Russell Wilson to Pitt route) and the Raiders could be watchable next year. No, Cousins isn't great and he's not the future for anyone, but the Raiders have ZERO options at the position.

Here's hoping Tom Brady helps Mark Davis land Vrabel as the new Raiders HC
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If you're Vrable and get to choose your spot, would you go LV or NE?
 

Slim Tubby said:
If you're Vrable and get to choose your spot, would you go LV or NE?
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I was telling this to another Raiders fan just this morning. I have to wonder just what the Krafts look like after all the shit that’s gone down since Brady and Belichick left. None of it makes them look very good, especially the documentary on the dynasty that apparently made it look like Belichick had almost nothing to do with their winning. Stupid…

The Krafts have come out of the last 12-24 months looking petty and jealous and spiteful. Just not a good look.

Does Vrabel really want anything to do with that? When he can live in sunny, no state income tax southern Nevada?
 

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