All Things Grayson Grove Recruitment Thread (Class of 2024, Alexandria, MN; 6-8, 190lb; Gophers Commit!

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Holy Man said:
Highly doubt he was offered because he was from Minnesota. The recruiting from Minnesota thing is far more an observer reality than a coaching one.

As has been noted, this staff has identified guys early and worked on them. Talent evaluation doesn’t seem to the problem. Closing the deal has been.
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I should probably clarify. I'm not suggesting the only reason he was offered was because he was from Minnesota. But I do believe the floor and ceiling of recruits (talent/rankings) pursued by this coaching staff and frankly endorsed by many on this board is different based on where a recruit resides. I just hope the floor of Minnesota recruiting isn't too low. Filling the roster with Michael Hurt/Jarvis Omersa types isn't helpful in this age of portal recruiting.
 

golfing18now said:
I should probably clarify. I'm not suggesting the only reason he was offered was because he was from Minnesota. But I do believe the floor and ceiling of recruits (talent/rankings) pursued by this coaching staff and frankly endorsed by many on this board is different based on where a recruit resides. I just hope the floor of Minnesota recruiting isn't too low. Filling the roster with Michael Hurt/Jarvis Omersa types isn't helpful in this age of portal recruiting.
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Yeah, CBJ really blew it on those two.
 

Rockraven said:
Yeah, CBJ really blew it on those two.
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I was using those two as an example @diehard, not as commentary on BJ's recruiting. Specifically tried to dance around commenting on this particular recruit. My frustration is with the stupidity of thinking the only solution out of the box with this dumpster fire of a program is to fill the roster with Minnesota kids, at all costs.
 

golfing18now said:
I was using those two as an example @diehard, not as commentary on BJ's recruiting. Specifically tried to dance around commenting on this particular recruit. My frustration is with the stupidity of thinking the only solution out of the box with this dumpster fire of a program is to fill the roster with Minnesota kids, at all costs.
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Literally no one has ever advocated for filling the roster with Minnesota kids just because they are from Minnesota. The frustration with the prior regime was the program was bad and the coach seemingly let players that were good from Minnesota leave the state and contribute to winning teams. If the prior regime would have won, it wouldn't have been a talking point.
 


golfing18now said:
I was using those two as an example @diehard, not as commentary on BJ's recruiting. Specifically tried to dance around commenting on this particular recruit. My frustration is with the stupidity of thinking the only solution out of the box with this dumpster fire of a program is to fill the roster with Minnesota kids, at all costs.
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We are getting terrible analysis on Grove on this board. Terrible. He is fluid and smooth. Very deceptive to people with low BB IQ. He is going to be another star player and a fit for the team. He is also a junior in HS and I think getting taller. He needs nutrition, strength, and conditioning. They all do. He gets the defensive rebound and goes coast to coast for the jam. If we have better Minnesota kids I hope we can get them too if they make our roster unbalanced again. BTW, I do not prefer a Minnesota player over better out of state e prospects. They are all prospects until they hit the court at the barn.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Literally no one has ever advocated for filling the roster with Minnesota kids just because they are from Minnesota. The frustration with the prior regime was the program was bad and the coach seemingly let players that were good from Minnesota leave the state and contribute to winning teams. If the prior regime would have won, it wouldn't have been a talking point.
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I don't understand this logic. Players get to select where they go to college. I've had three college-aged daughters and two of them wanted no part of the University of Minnesota. They just wanted to try something different. Why do we think 18 year olds when given the option to go anywhere feel some sort of obligation to stay here? Or if we only had better relationship with their coaches, then they would somehow get delivered to the University? Or if only coach X had gotten in on them earlier? Some kids have an innate desire to stay home and have commented on that in interviews -- Michael Hurt, Daniel Oturu, Treyton Thompson, maybe this kid. Others, not so much. We also tend to overlook the ones that "got away" that didn't amount to much, the Alex Illikainen types.
 

Rockraven said:
We are getting terrible analysis on Grove on this board. Terrible. He is fluid and smooth. Very deceptive to people with low BB IQ. He is going to be another star player and a fit for the team. He is also a junior in HS and I think getting taller. He needs nutrition, strength, and conditioning. They all do. He gets the defensive rebound and goes coast to coast for the jam. If we have better Minnesota kids I hope we can get them too if they make our roster unbalanced again. BTW, I do not prefer a Minnesota player over better out of state e prospects. They are all prospects until they hit the court at the barn.
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Quite possible he is undervalued. Prospects outperform their rankings all the time and others do the opposite. It's not a science. I understand that.
 

golfing18now said:
Quite possible he is undervalued. Prospects outperform their rankings all the time and others do the opposite. It's not a science. I understand that.
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I recall when Jon Leuer was not highly regarded as a junior. The Gophers didn't get in until late and his stock rose big time as a senior netting Wisconsin a terrific player. I think we have to give our coaches credit here and hope their bet is a winning one.
 



Rockraven said:
We are getting terrible analysis on Grove on this board. Terrible. He is fluid and smooth. Very deceptive to people with low BB IQ. He is going to be another star player and a fit for the team. He is also a junior in HS and I think getting taller. He needs nutrition, strength, and conditioning. They all do. He gets the defensive rebound and goes coast to coast for the jam. If we have better Minnesota kids I hope we can get them too if they make our roster unbalanced again. BTW, I do not prefer a Minnesota player over better out of state e prospects. They are all prospects until they hit the court at the barn.
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Sh!t. Now he's going to stink.

Why would you do this? You're never right about anything, this is the kiss of death.
 


bga1 said:
I recall when Jon Leuer was not highly regarded as a junior. The Gophers didn't get in until late and his stock rose big time as a senior netting Wisconsin a terrific player. I think we have to give our coaches credit here and hope their bet is a winning one.
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Leuer is a pretty good upside comparison to him (IMO). I think Reuvers biggest issue was probably a lack of toughness and I don't think that will be there with Grove. But he is probably not as skilled as Reuvers yet.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Leuer is a pretty good upside comparison to him (IMO). I think Reuvers biggest issue was probably a lack of toughness and I don't think that will be there with Grove. But he is probably not as skilled as Reuvers yet.
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bga is a credible poster. Pay attention to him.
 



Big Ten Championship said:
Welcome addition to the Gophers. Continue to shut down the boarders and Ben and PJ might end up with a few Big Ten Championships
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What ever you are taking, please sell it. ain’t no way that Ben or PJ will win B1G championships. (plural)
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
Leuer is a pretty good upside comparison to him (IMO). I think Reuvers biggest issue was probably a lack of toughness and I don't think that will be there with Grove. But he is probably not as skilled as Reuvers yet.
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He has some skills but Reuvers is so soft, he could get mugged in a phone booth all by himself.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Literally no one has ever advocated for filling the roster with Minnesota kids just because they are from Minnesota. The frustration with the prior regime was the program was bad and the coach seemingly let players that were good from Minnesota leave the state and contribute to winning teams. If the prior regime would have won, it wouldn't have been a talking point.
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And it was the “secondary misses” on players like Roddy and Macura that really stung - we all understood missing on the Matthew Hurt’s , but Pitino seemed to not care/seemingly put much effort into the next level.

Ben has tried with most everyone from Minnesota and correctly backed off the one’s not genuinely interested (reportedly): Freitag & McAndrews.

If we didn’t get Asuma and Grove the same posters complaining about recruiting them, would be bitchin about not recruiting them.
 
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For those who wonder, Ryan James posted his 247 analysis on 2024 Gophers Grove and Asuma at the Battle of the Lake's Shootout this past weekend.
 


Bayfieldgopher said:
For those who wonder, Ryan James posted his 247 analysis on 2024 Gophers Grove and Asuma at the Battle of the Lake's Shootout this past weekend.
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Care to share?

A summary would be fine - if it’s a paywall deal - txs
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
And it was the “secondary misses” on players like Roddy and Macura that really stung - we all understood missing on the Matthew Hurt’s , but Pitino seemed to not care/seemingly put much effort into the next level.

Ben has tried with most everyone from Minnesota and correctly backed off the one’s not genuinely interested (reportedly): Freitag & McAndrews.

If we didn’t get Asuma and Grove the same posters complaining about recruiting them, would be bitchin about not recruiting them.
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Macura was Tubby's fault not Pitino's. Pitino recruited him after he was hired, but by then it was too late. Tubby didn't want him at all.

Roddy was just a unique prospect that no P6 schools offered until Nebraska and Minnesota came in late.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
Macura was Tubby's fault not Pitino's. Pitino recruited him after he was hired, but by then it was too late. Tubby didn't want him at all.

Roddy was just a unique prospect that no P6 schools offered until Nebraska and Minnesota came in late.
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Pitino apologist🤨?
 





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