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MIAC football on Saturday:

St. John's 45, Augsburg 0
Bethel 49, Hamline 14
Concordia 36, Macalester 7
Gustavus 77, St. Scholastica 7
Carleton 26, St. Olaf 7

Standings:
Northwoods Division (overall, conf, division)
Carleton 5-0/3-0/1-0
St. John's 4-1/2-1/0-0
Gustavus 3-2/2-1/1-0
St. Olaf 3-2/2-1/0-1
St. Scholastica 2-3/1-2/0-1

Skyline Division
Bethel 4-1/3-0/1-0
Concordia 3-2/1-2/1-0
Augsburg 3-2/1-2/0-0
Hamline 2-3/0-3/0-1
Macalester 2-3/0-3/0-1

Next week:
St. John's at St. Olaf
Augsburg at Macalester
St. Scholastica at Carleton
Concordia at Bethel
Gustavus at Hamline
 

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Gustavus clearly called off the dogs in the second half but it was still the largest victory margin in program history (according to the athletic department Twitter account). 61-0 at half. Yikes.
 

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Saturday's results from the NSIC, updated standings and next week's games. Minnesota teams in bold
  • Minnesota State Moorhead defeated Minot State 36-14
  • Minnesota-Duluth defeated UMary 49-14
  • Sioux Falls defeated Southwest Minnesota State 35-14
  • Wayne State defeated Minnesota State Mankato 41-33
  • Bemidji State defeated Concordia St. Paul 44-0
  • Northern State defeated Upper Iowa 42-21
  • Augustana defeated Upper Iowa 31-14
1. Sioux Falls (6-0)
2. Augustana (5-1)
2. Wayne State (5-1)
4. Bemidji State (4-2)
4. Minnesota-Duluth (4-2)
4. Minnesota State-Mankato (4-2)
4. Southwest Minnesota State (4-2)
4. Winona State (4-2)
9. Northern State (3-3)
10. Minnesota State-Moorhead (2-4)
11. Mary (1-5)
12. Concordia-St. Paul (0-6)
12. Minot State (0-6)
12. Upper Iowa (0-6)

Next week's games
  • Bemidji St @ MSU Moorhead, Battle for the Axe
  • UMD @ Concordia SP
  • Winona St @ SW MN St
  • Wayne St @ Augustana
  • Upper IA @ MSU Mankato
  • Northern St @ Minot St
  • USF @ UMary
 

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I've never been a D2/NSIC fan, so I have no idea. But, has Concordia-St. Paul ever been competitive? Do they have any football tradition at all? Seems like they should have a decent chance to be/have been a solid program, as the lone Twin Cities non-D1 program (pre-UST) that could offer any form of scholarships, but I don't recall them ever being much.
 

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I've never been a D2/NSIC fan, so I have no idea. But, has Concordia-St. Paul ever been competitive? Do they have any football tradition at all? Seems like they should have a decent chance to be/have been a solid program, as the lone Twin Cities non-D1 program (pre-UST) that could offer any form of scholarships, but I don't recall them ever being much.
In the NSIC era, only in the early 2000s. They won co-NSIC championships in 2003 and 2005, getting ranked in the top 25 around that time and getting some Mineral Water Bowl berths.

Since 2010, they've had three winning seasons, two of which being 6-5. Not sure why they're not able to put it together. For whatever reason their volleyball program can attract great student athletes, though, they've won nine national championships.

In other NSIC news, the Dragons finally managed to get back in the win column. It was a struggle to open the season, they played USF, Augie, Winona and UMD, who have a combined record of 19-5. The win was against winless Minot State, but it still felt great to stop the losing streak, especially at Nemzek on homecoming.

Next up is the Dragons' chief rival, Bemidji State. Since 2012, Dragons have gone 4-5 against the Beavers in the battle for the Axe trophy. They've played since 1929 and the Dragons lead the Beavers all time 47-37-3. Bemidji State is really good this year but I'm hoping MSUM can pull off some rivalry game magic.
 


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I've never been a D2/NSIC fan, so I have no idea. But, has Concordia-St. Paul ever been competitive? Do they have any football tradition at all? Seems like they should have a decent chance to be/have been a solid program, as the lone Twin Cities non-D1 program (pre-UST) that could offer any form of scholarships, but I don't recall them ever being much.
UST still doesn't offer football scholarships. They could really be included in this thread as they are D1 in name only.
 

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UST still doesn't offer football scholarships. They could really be included in this thread as they are D1 in name only.
Did a quick Wikipedia check, looks like in the FCS playoffs a Pioneer League team has made it past the first round twice since 2013 and that was San Diego, then got stomped both times by NDSU.
 

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MIAC schedule for Sat, Oct 15

(overall/conference/division)
St. John's (4-1/2-1/0-0) at St. Olaf (3-2/2-1/0-1)
Augsburg (3-2/1-2/0-0) at Macalester (2-3/0-3/0-1)
St. Scholastica (2-3/1-2/0-1) at Carleton (5-0/3-0/1-0)
Concordia (3-2/1-2/1-0) at Bethel (4-1/3-0/1-0)
Gustavus (3-2/2-1/1-0) at Hamline (2-3/0-3/0-1)
 

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MIAC football results - Sat, Oct 15

St. John's 49, St. Olaf 10
Bethel 45, Concordia 7
Carleton 56, St. Scholastica 20
Augsburg 42, Macalester 21
Gustavus 44, Hamline 7

Updated Standings

Northwoods Division (overall, conf, division)
Carleton 6-0/4-0/2-0
St. John's 5-1/3-1/1-0
Gustavus 4-2/3-1/1-0
St. Olaf 3-3/2-2/0-2
St. Scholastica 2-4/1-3/0-2

Skyline Division
Bethel 5-1/4-0/2-0
Augsburg 4-2/2-2/1-0
Concordia 3-3/1-3/1-1
Hamline 2-4/0-4/0-1
Macalester 2-4/0-4/0-2

Next week:
Gustavus at St. John's
Bethel at Macalester
Carleton at Concordia
Augsburg at Hamline
St. Olaf at St. Scholastica
 



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MIAC football results - Sat, Oct 15

St. John's 49, St. Olaf 10
Bethel 45, Concordia 7
Carleton 56, St. Scholastica 20
Augsburg 42, Macalester 21
Gustavus 44, Hamline 7

Updated Standings

Northwoods Division (overall, conf, division)
Carleton 6-0/4-0/2-0
St. John's 5-1/3-1/1-0
Gustavus 4-2/3-1/1-0
St. Olaf 3-3/2-2/0-2
St. Scholastica 2-4/1-3/0-2

Skyline Division
Bethel 5-1/4-0/2-0
Augsburg 4-2/2-2/1-0
Concordia 3-3/1-3/1-1
Hamline 2-4/0-4/0-1
Macalester 2-4/0-4/0-2

Next week:
Gustavus at St. John's
Bethel at Macalester
Carleton at Concordia
Augsburg at Hamline
St. Olaf at St. Scholastica
Carleton Knights, 6-0 for the first time since 1992.
 


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Carleton Knights, 6-0 for the first time since 1992.

and now Carleton hits the toughest part of the schedule -
at Concordia
at Gustavus
at St. John's

if they can beat Concordia and Gustavus, the St. John's game would be for the Division title and a possible game against Bethel in "Championship Week."

FYI: for the last week of the regular season, the MIAC will match teams from the Northwoods Division against the Skyline Division, based on divisional records only: 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 and so forth.
the winner of the 1 vs 1 game will receive the automatic qualifier for the D3 Playoffs.
 
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and now Carleton hits the toughest part of the schedule -
at Concordia
at Gustavus
at St. John's

if they can beat Concordia and Gustavus, the St. John's game would be for the Division title and a possible game against Bethel in "Championship Week."
I think a road win for the Knights against either the Cobbers or Gusties would set up the Johnnie's game for the Division championship.

If Gustavus loses to St John's this week, even if Carleton loses the next 2 weeks, that final game would still be for the Division crown. A win in Collegeville would give them 2 Ls each with a Head-to-Head tie breaker advantage.
 
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Here's the NSIC world after Saturday's action. Minnesota teams in bold.
  • Bemidji State defeated Minnesota State-Moorhead, 47-7
  • Minnesota Duluth defeated Concordia St. Paul, 53-7
  • Minnesota State-Mankato defeated Upper Iowa, 43-20
  • Augustana defeated Wayne State, 31-27
  • Winona State defeated Southwest Minnesota State, 43-7
  • Sioux Falls defeated UMary, 41-27
  • Northern State defeated Minot State, 38-10
Standings
1. Sioux Falls (7-0)
2. Augustana (6-1)
3. Bemidji State (5-2)
3. Minnesota-Duluth (5-2)
3. Minnesota State-Mankato (5-2)
3. Wayne State (5-2)
3. Winona State (5-2)
8. Northern State (4-3)
8. Southwest Minnesota State (4-3)
10. Minnesota State-Moorhead (2-5)
11. Mary (1-6)
12. Concordia-St. Paul (0-7)
12. Minot State (0-7)
12. Upper Iowa (0-7)

Next week's games
  • SW Minn St @ Wayne St
  • Minot St @ Upper IA
  • MSU-Mankato @ Aug
  • UMD @ Bemidji St
  • MSU-Moorhead @ UMary
  • USF @ Winona St
  • CSP @ Northern St
As an MSU-Moorhead alum, it's been a really frustrating season. Last year, the Dragons finished with a losing record, 5-6, but at least the losses were close, nearly all of them were within a touchdown. This year, most of the losses have been blowouts.

It seems like the COVID year off really impacted the program. From 2015-2019, the Dragons had a winning season four out of five times, earned a Mineral Water Bowl berth and their only losing season was 5-6.

It seemed like the team was on solid ground and at the same level with Bemidji, Northern, Winona and Wayne. Now it seems like they're sliding back, which is really unfortunate. Also, it really makes a Saturday suck when both the Gophers and the Dragons lose. Hoping for better results next week.
 
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Here's the Division II AFCA Poll for this week. NSIC teams in bold.
  1. Grand Valley State (7-0)
  2. Angelo State (7-0)
  3. Shepherd (7-0)
  4. Ouachita Baptist (7-0)
  5. Pittsburg State (7-0)
  6. Ashland (6-0)
  7. Ferris State (5-1)
  8. Delta State (7-0)
  9. West Florida (5-1)
  10. Virginia Union (7-0)
  11. Sioux Falls (7-0)
  12. Lenoir-Rhyne (6-1)
  13. Indiana (PA) (6-0)
  14. Northwest Missouri State (6-2)
  15. Texas A&M-Kingsville (7-0)
  16. Newberry (6-1)
  17. Slippery Rock (6-1)
  18. Benedict (7-0)
  19. Colorado School of Mines (5-2)
  20. Indianapolis (5-1)
  21. Augustana (6-1)
  22. Davenport (6-0)
  23. Harding (5-2)
  24. Saginaw Valley State (5-2)
  25. West Georgia (4-2)
Others Receiving Votes
New Haven, Albany State, Wingate, Emporia State, Notre Dame, Truman State, Henderson State, Central Oklahoma, Nebraska-Kearney, Concord
 

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MIAC Football Schedule for Sat, Oct 22

Gustavus (4-2/3-1/1-0) at St. John's (5-1/3-1/1-0)
Bethel (5-1/4-0/2-0) at Macalester (2-4/0-4/0-2)
Carleton (6-0/4-0/2-0) at Concordia (3-3/1-3/1-1)
Augsburg (4-2/2-2/1-0) at Hamline (2-4/0-4/0-1)
St. Olaf (3-3/2-2/0-2) at St. Scholastica (2-4/1-3/0-2)\

Gustavus - St. John's is the only game that matches two teams with winning records.
Carleton at Concordia is the cross-division game this week.
 


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Would be interesting to see how those teams do in the DII or DIII playoffs.
Not that it's exactly a great program, but Drake lost earlier this year to Missouri S&T, a DII program, they beat MSU Moorhead a couple years ago in the Mineral Water Bowl. I think it shows that the better DII squads can win against the lower end of FCS.

I remember watching the DII playoffs last year, and they were playing at a level that looked close to the FCS.
 

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MIAC Football results for Sat, Oct 22

St. John's 41, Gustavus 27
Bethel 63, Macalester 13
Concordia 20, Carleton 13
Augsburg 42, Hamline 21
St. Olaf 33, St. Scholastica 28

Standings:
Northwoods-----
Carleton 6-1/4-1/2-0
St. John's 6-1/4-1/2-0
Gustavus 4-3/3-2/1-1
St. Olaf 4-3/3-2/1-2
St. Scholastica 2-5/1-4/0-3

Skyline------
Bethel 6-1/5-0/3-0
Augsburg 5-2/3-2/2-0
Concordia 4-3/2-3/1-1
Hamline 2-5/0-5/0-2
Macalester 2-5/0-5/0-3

Next week:
St. John's at St. Scholastica
Concordia at Augsburg
Carleton at Gustavus
St. Olaf at Bethel
Macalester at Hamline
 

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MIAC Football results for Sat, Oct 22

St. John's 41, Gustavus 27
Bethel 63, Macalester 13
Concordia 20, Carleton 13
Augsburg 42, Hamline 21
St. Olaf 33, St. Scholastica 28

Standings:
Northwoods-----
Carleton 6-1/4-1/2-0
St. John's 6-1/4-1/2-0
Gustavus 4-3/3-2/1-1
St. Olaf 4-3/3-2/1-2
St. Scholastica 2-5/1-4/0-3

Skyline------
Bethel 6-1/5-0/3-0
Augsburg 5-2/3-2/2-0
Concordia 4-3/2-3/1-1
Hamline 2-5/0-5/0-2
Macalester 2-5/0-5/0-3

Next week:
St. John's at St. Scholastica
Concordia at Augsburg
Carleton at Gustavus
St. Olaf at Bethel
Macalester at Hamline

The Carleton cream puff tour comes to an end.
 

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Here's where things stand in the NSIC after Week 8. Minnesota teams in bold
  • Wayne State defeated Southwest Minnesota State 20-14
  • Upper Iowa scored a victory over Minot State, 33-22
  • Bemidji State dominated Minnesota Duluth, 41-16
  • Minnesota State Mankato defeated Augustana 35-14
  • Minnesota State Moorhead won a shootout against U Mary, 40-38
  • Winona State edged Sioux Falls, 20-17
  • Northern State defeated Concordia St. Paul, 49-20
Standings
1. Sioux Falls (7-1)
2. Augustana (6-2)
2. Bemidji State (6-2)
2. Minnesota State-Mankato (6-2)
2. Wayne State (6-2)
2. Winona State (6-2)
7. Minnesota-Duluth (5-3)
7. Northern State (5-3)
9. Southwest Minnesota State (4-4)
10. Minnesota State-Moorhead (3-5)
11. Mary (1-7)
11. Upper Iowa (1-7)
13. Concordia-St. Paul (0-8)
13. Minot State (0-8)

Next week's games
  • Upper IA @ Wayne St
  • Minot St @ UMD
  • Mary @ CSP
  • Bemidji St @ SW Min St
  • MSU Mankato @ USF
  • MSU Moorhead @ Northern St
  • Aug @ Winona St
The MSUM Dragons had a big win in what was a back-and-forth battle with Mary. At halftime Mary led 21-20, then they led 31-28. Dragons then led 34-31, before Mary went up 38-34. Dragons were the final ones to score, though, winning 40-38.

With the victory, the Dragons held on to the Paddle trophy for another year. The trophy was developed by the student governments when Mary joined the NSIC. It was based on Mary being near the Missouri River and MSUM close to the Red River. The series is now tied, 8-8.
 

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MIAC Football schedule for Saturday, Oct 29

St. John's 6-1/4-1/2-0 at St. Scholastica 2-5/1-4/0-3
Concordia 4-3/2-3/1-1 at Augsburg 5-2/3-2/2-0
Carleton 6-1/4-1/2-0 at Gustavus 4-3/3-2/1-1
St. Olaf 4-3/3-2/1-2 at Bethel 6-1/5-0/3-0
Macalester 2-5/0-5/0-3 at Hamline 2-5/0-5/0-2

St. Olaf at Bethel is the cross-division game.

(on paper, the Concordia-Augsburg game and Carleton-Gustavus should be the most competitive.)
 

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MIAC Football schedule for Saturday, Oct 29

St. John's 6-1/4-1/2-0 at St. Scholastica 2-5/1-4/0-3
Concordia 4-3/2-3/1-1 at Augsburg 5-2/3-2/2-0
Carleton 6-1/4-1/2-0 at Gustavus 4-3/3-2/1-1
St. Olaf 4-3/3-2/1-2 at Bethel 6-1/5-0/3-0
Macalester 2-5/0-5/0-3 at Hamline 2-5/0-5/0-2

St. Olaf at Bethel is the cross-division game.

(on paper, the Concordia-Augsburg game and Carleton-Gustavus should be the most competitive.)
Mac makes the quick trip up Snelling to face off against Hamline in the battle to not finish last in the MIAC.

A little farther up Snelling this evening, Minnesota-Morris can clinch a tie for the UMAC title with a win at Northwestern. Morris lost to both Mac and Hamline in September, so today could end with proof that the entire MIAC is above the UMAC.

(The UMAC schools would still whomp Eden Prairie.)
 

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Gustavus 28, Carleton 9
 

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Here are the results from the NSIC after another weekend of the conference beating up on each other. Minnesota teams in bold.

U Mary defeated Concordia St. Paul 23-13
Minnesota Duluth dominated Minot State, 51-7
Wayne State defeated Upper Iowa 56-14
Minnesota State Mankato took down Sioux Falls, 38-24
Bemidji State won over Southwest Minn State, 34-15
Winona State took down Augustana, 24-7
Northern State defeated Minnesota State Moorhead 35-7

Standings and next week games:
1. Bemidji State (7-2)
1. Minnesota State-Mankato (7-2)
1. Sioux Falls (7-2)
1. Wayne State (7-2)
1. Winona State (7-2)
6. Augustana (6-3)
6. Minnesota-Duluth (6-3)
6. Northern State (6-3)
9. Southwest Minnesota State (4-5)
10. Minnesota State-Moorhead (3-6)
11. Mary (2-7)
12. Upper Iowa (1-8)
13. Concordia-St. Paul (0-9)
13. Minot State (0-9)

Winona St. @ Upper Iowa
SW MN St. @ MSU Mankato
CSP
@ MSU Moorhead
Northern St. @ Bemidji St.
UMD
@ Aug
Wayne St. @ USF
Mary @ Minot St
 

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Mac makes the quick trip up Snelling to face off against Hamline in the battle to not finish last in the MIAC.

A little farther up Snelling this evening, Minnesota-Morris can clinch a tie for the UMAC title with a win at Northwestern. Morris lost to both Mac and Hamline in September, so today could end with proof that the entire MIAC is above the UMAC.

(The UMAC schools would still whomp Eden Prairie.)
Though they'd almost certainly lose to 2009 Wayzata
 

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I'm back. Survived my trip to Chicago. The Kennedy Expressway is a dystopian hellscape.

MIAC football results from Sat, Oct 29

Bethel 38, St. Olaf 17
Gustavus 28, Carleton 9
St. John's 56, St. Scholastica 6
Macalester 33, Hamline 20
Augsburg 38, Concordia 35

Standings:
Northwoods-----
St. John's 7-1/5-1/3-0
Carleton 6-2/4-2/2-1
Gustavus 5-3/4-2/2-1
St. Olaf 4-4/3-3/1-2
St. Scholastica 2-6/1-5/0-4

Skyline------
Bethel 7-1/6-0/3-0
Augsburg 6-2/4-2/3-0 (Auggies with best season since 2012 when they went 7-3)
Concordia 4-4/2-4/1-2
Macalester 3-5/1-5/1-3
Hamline 2-6/0-6/0-3

Schedule for Sat, Nov 5
Gustavus at St. Olaf
St, Scholastica at Macalester (cross-division game)
Bethel at Augsburg
Hamline at Concordia'
Carleton at St. John's
 


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I'm not exactly sure what the point is of ranking teams that can't play in the postseason, like UST, Jackson St., and Princeton.
 

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I'm not exactly sure what the point is of ranking teams that can't play in the postseason, like UST, Jackson St., and Princeton.
Well, I feel like the rankings in general are just to keep track of the best teams that season, whether or not they are in the postseason or not. They're separate from the selection process for the actual playoffs, and instead is just a look into how teams possibly compare to their counterparts.

It's happened at the FBS level, too. The 1994 Auburn team finished at No. 9 in the AP with a 9-1-1 record, while 2012 Ohio State went 12-0 and finished at No. 3. That was despite being ineligible for post season play.

Obviously those are different circumstances, but if I'm a voter in a poll at the end of the season and putting my ranking together, I'd feel compelled to include, say, an undefeated Ivy League school or a good HBCU team that wins the Celebration Bowl.

It's kind of how in college hockey there's both the normal weekly rankings and the pairwise format, with the latter having more of an impact on the playoffs.
 




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