All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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Pompous Elitist said:
If the percentage reflects 1 of 3 players or 3 of 9 it is not the foundation of public health or business decisions. Sorry. More data necessary.
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If it's good enough for Big Ten presidents, then it's none of your business.
 



MplsGopher said:
If rag-tag RW militias want to make war with the National Guard, well, the results won’t be pretty.
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It will be with Antifa and other left wing terrorist groups.
Ultimately, the military will either accept communist leadership or the military will take power to end the fighting. In any case, civil war will likely incure.
And that's your happy thought for the day.
 

GopherGod said:
He is a trained cardiologist which all cardiologists are familiar with myocarditis as part of their training. The fact that he subspecialized in genetic disease for fellowship does not imply he hasn’t had ample training as a cardiologist in identifying and treating myocarditis along with hosts of other cardiovascular diseases. They are also trained on how to read and interpret clinical studies and if the design of those studies are bogus or not.
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Bolded - yes, and that's precisely it. That's what he's qualified to discuss, the medicines/therapies that a doctor would prescribe for a myocarditis patient. NOT the scientific aspects of why myocarditis caused by covid is not of concern enough to warrant postponing athletic activities.
 


Yacht guy says this. Yeah, I know he hasn’t been right about everything. If he’s wrong about this time, he should delete his account.



 

PitinoFan said:
Yacht guy says this. Yeah, I know he hasn’t been right about everything. If he’s wrong about this time, he should delete his account.

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Dude ... you know this guy's bit. Same as many other fraud's on Twitter. They post some huge bombshell, way before it's reasonably possible for the word to have gotten out, in the hopes that they guess it right. Then try to pawn off the guess as if they had inside info. All to gain followers. Repeat ad nauseum.

Guaranteed no one knows this guy and he has no "sources".
 


Pompous Elitist said:
Hmm

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Northwestern
MD
MN
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If all the other B1G schools play except these 4, do, transfers flood out from those schools? Or is it too late? If P.J. Fleck and the A.D. are pushing to play and we refuse, I'll be worried about his long-term commitment to the Gophers.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
The anecdote from the PSU Director May only be Penn State’s cohort of COV+, eleven players IIRC. We don’t know the criteria or grading scales. We don’t have a control group of similar aged college athletes. We know myocarditis is a thing with a number of viruses. It’s a serious problem, which is why I’m calling bul**** on this anecdote - where is the publicized data? Where is the interpretation by professional cardiology societies and clinical opinion leaders? Why is this being droppped in a local school board zoom meeting rather than in a journal or by the Big Ten medical consultants??
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Firstly - you're a nobody. You post on GopherHole .com. No one gives a crap what you call out. So that's that.

It wasn't "dropped" at all. It was said at the meeting, and then people ran to Twitter, and then it blew up. That's how the internet works now.


Pompous Elitist said:
Some perspective. Understand there is a spectrum of opinions and levels of concern among professionals.

Syracuse offensive lineman Airon Servais had questions about the potential effects of myocarditis. He had heard about it in the news, as the Big Ten utilized a study showing its link to COVID-19 to justify the postponement of its fall season. Before opting into the 2020 season, he talked to multiple cardiologists to understand its effects.

“After having conversations like that, I feel a lot more comfortable moving forward,” Servais said.

Dr. Michael Ackerman is a genetic cardiologist at Mayo Clinic. He specializes in genomics and genotype-phenotype relationships in heritable cardiovascular diseases leading to sudden death. This includes myocarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart that’s linked to COVID-19. Ackerman answered The Daily Orange’s questions about its risk to athletes.
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Right, he studies myocarditis that happens because of genetic diseases.

Covid isn't a genetic disease. Therefore, the myocaditis it causes may have absolutely nothing to do, and may absolutely not resemeble at all the myocarditis caused by genetic disease.

He is absolutely not qualified to speak on the scientific aspects of this subject.

Pompous Elitist said:
The Daily Orange: How is myocarditis linked to COVID-19 and what are the concerns with it?

Dr. Michael Ackerman: There are thousands of diagnoses of myocarditis in the United States each year before COVID. It’s a big deal. It’s the third-leading cause of sudden death in young people. Each year, there will be about 50 to 100 athletes from Little League to (the) professional level who will die suddenly. Of those, five to 10 of them will have died from myocarditis. We know what causes this inflammation of the heart muscle, which can lead to weakening of the heart muscle and heart failure.

D.O.: Are there any other viruses that can cause myocarditis?

M.A.: Yes, there are. Long before coronavirus, there are over 20 viruses that have been implicated with the ability for this kind of heart damage that we call myocarditis. We know that almost half, around 40% to 50%, of all cardiac transplant recipients require transplants because of the damage done by myocarditis. It is a very important entity but it is one that has been around long before coronavirus. This virus is yet another virus with the capability of infecting the heart muscle and potentially damaging the heart muscle. It’s created even more anxiety during this COVID-19 pandemic.

D.O.: How does this apply to young and healthy athletes who don’t have pre-existing conditions?

M.A.: For those individuals who are asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic, this myocarditis thing is a non-issue. That’s because the virus hasn’t reached or done any damage to that viral infected person. It’s a very small number of otherwise healthy young people where the viral infection of SARS-CoV-2 is going to reach the heart, penetrate the heart, or do any measurable damage. Myocarditis taking center stage with athletes and discussing athletes risk is probably a bit overstated.
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Based on what??? YIKES! This guy could be responsible for a significant number of deaths, spouting off like that with nothing to back it up other than "this is what I feel".

Pompous Elitist said:
D.O.: What happens if an athlete gets SARS-CoV-2 myocarditis?

M.A.: If someone gets SARS-CoV-2 myocarditis, it’s potentially a big deal. But any other potential viral myocarditis is also a big deal. If there’s a substantial level of heart damage rendered, we could be talking (about) life-support devices and cardiac transplantation. That is so much the exception, rather than the rule in any myocarditis. This coming flu season, influenza can infect and damage the heart muscle. It’s really a matter of perspective and weighing everything in the balance.

D.O.: The Big Ten is using a study that said, “High sensitivity Troponin — a sensitive marker for cardiac cellular injury — was detected in 71% of the patients, and cardiac MRI revealed evidence of cardiac inflammation and/or scarring in 78% of the patients.” You’re not an athletic director or a school president, but what is your reaction to them using that study to justify canceling the season?

M.A.: Conferences who cancel the season may have very good reasons for doing so. If they sized up the weight of the evidence and said to stop for now, that’s justifiable. Other conferences say, “We’ve weighed everything in the balance and we’re going to press on carefully, but we can switch to no again if need be.” Both of those decisions can be equally right or appropriate. My point was to ask officials to look under the hood to see if there’s enough evidence in relation to the heart.

In other words, if the conference received enough evidence to say that we reached a tipping point because of a heart issue, then I cry foul. Look under the hood. Look at the strength of the evidence. If you look carefully enough, there’s simply not enough evidence to assign that much weight to COVID-19 and the heart as the driving reason for a season termination. If the conference said, “Even if we removed the heart issue, we would have agreed to cancel,” I would’ve said, ‘Great.’ I’m not an expert for those reasons, so I can’t speak on it.

dailyorange.com

Q&A: Mayo Clinic doctor advises about myocarditis risk for athletes

Myocarditis, or the inflammation of the heart, has been linked to COVID-19 and was a primary reason for the Big Ten's cancellation of football.
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LOL

Not a single word in those two paragraphs was a scientific refutation of the numbers cited in the question. Pathetic.

Like I said, this guy is no expert. And we need to make sure not to give him attention as if he were. He craves attention.
 


Again -- if the Big Ten does hold a vote (if that's not fakenews .... haven't seen a reputable source, ie one not solely motivated by gaining followers or selling you something), and if it does decide to reverse course and play starting some time in Oct, then the Gophers will be playing.

Don't be silly and a sheep. They'll play, if that's what the conference decides.
 








I agree with PE, here say and anecdotes are not scientific or medical opinion that the public should put a lot of stock in. At the same time, if I was a decision maker and caught even a whiff of this, I’d have a hard time proceeding with the season as planned. I think the threshold is a lot lower just due to liability issues.

I disagree with the idea that “medical science” has failed us as one of the tweets has stated. Politicizing medical science is what has failed us. A lot of really good science and medicine still chugging along.
 

RahSkiUMah said:
I agree with PE, here say and anecdotes are not scientific or medical opinion that the public should put a lot of stock in. At the same time, if I was a decision maker and caught even a whiff of this, I’d have a hard time proceeding with the season as planned. I think the threshold is a lot lower just due to liability issues.

I disagree with the idea that “medical science” has failed us as one of the tweets has stated. Politicizing medical science is what has failed us. A lot of really good science and medicine still chugging along.
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PitinoFan said:
You wanted so badly for this to be true, didn’t you...
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Nope. Glad it isn’t. Only interested in striking down the false/emotionally based posts of our near-maniacal Gopher fan colleague, on this topic. Which I did.
 


RahSkiUMah said:
How did I ignore it? I agreed with PompousElitists points, which this tweet basically supports. Did you read my post?
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Not a huge deal. I assumed you hadn’t seen the latest before you typed the comment, so I reposted it to the new page.


“...At the same time, if I was a decision maker and caught even a whiff of this, I’d have a hard time proceeding with the season as planned.
 

PitinoFan said:
The report is inaccurate, and you ignored that fact in your comment.
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No, you didn’t understand what he said, in the slightest.

There is absolutely scientific evidence that covid causes myocarditis. That fact should give presidents pause, about whether they want to pause athletics or not.
 


PitinoFan said:
Not a huge deal. I assumed you hadn’t seen the latest before you typed the comment, so I reposted it to the new page.


“...At the same time, if I was a decision maker and caught even a whiff of this, I’d have a hard time proceeding with the season as planned.
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The part you quoted is correct.
 

MplsGopher said:
Nope. Glad it isn’t. Only interested in striking down the false/emotionally based posts of our near-maniacal Gopher fan colleague, on this topic. Which I did.
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Whenever there’s some potentially bad news, you’re the biggest cheerleader for the fallout. You enjoy this shit too much. Either that, or you drink way too much caffeine.
 

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