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Just out of curiosity how many black individuals are posting on this site and how many of us are white. For those that are white posters I find it fascinating that you know so much one way or another. I especially love the white posters who pretend to be on board with the BLM movement, but really are just keyboard fighters. If any of you are really passionate about social injustice, social equality, or racial issues do something other than post about it and talk about how others on here have no idea. It’s amusing.

and to quote their website “ We disrupt the western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement...” which I’m not sure why it needs to be disrupted for everyone?
 





MplsGopher said:
Why does the public deserve to see this?
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There are massive public health implications. That said, need to see the source data otherwise it’s just an anecdote or collection of anecdotes or even hearsay.
 

MplsGopher said:
What if it wasn’t a study? Again, if it is proprietary information, you aren’t entitled to it.
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If there is no data to support the statement it is wildly irresponsible to make the statement. If it’s legitimate data it should be out in the public sphere for professional critique and digestion.
 

alaska said:
Just out of curiosity how many black individuals are posting on this site and how many of us are white. For those that are white posters I find it fascinating that you know so much one way or another. I especially love the white posters who pretend to be on board with the BLM movement, but really are just keyboard fighters. If any of you are really passionate about social injustice, social equality, or racial issues do something other than post about it and talk about how others on here have no idea. It’s amusing.

and to quote their website “ We disrupt the western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement...” which I’m not sure why it needs to be disrupted for everyone?
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1. It never says they are disrupting it for everyone, it says they are disrupting the requirement of that family structure.

2. Nice try taking a partial sentence out of context to make an argument, here is the full statement:
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
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3. What makes you think people aren't also doing something outside of posting on an internet forum? I post here as you describe, and have been active in local protests, and informing myself as a voter and voting to promote change within our government.
 

Reading the article - the guy quoted is Penn State's Director of Athletic Medicine.

Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles (are) inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now. It’s still very early in the infection. Some of that has led to the Pac-12 and the Big Ten’s decision to sort of put a hiatus on what’s happening.”

Later in the article he states that he has had no direct discussion with the Penn State President on this matter.

There's some good communication.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
Studies don’t release personally identifiable information.
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Data privacy is actually a very complicated subject. Data that seems anonymous can potentially be re-identified in other ways with additional information from other sources.

If I release data that says 100 athletes have had COVID, 30 of them had myocarditis, 10 of those who were from Iowa, 10 from Minnesota, and 10 from Ohio State it seems perfectly anonymized right?

But then someone goes "Well, only 12 athletes at Ohio State have had COVID, and these 2 have come out and stated the didn't have myocarditis" suddenly you know who the 10 athletes were at Ohio State who got myocarditis.

So really, they can only give totals (100 with covid in all of Big Ten, 30 with myocarditis) which is the same amount of information you get from the statement "30-35% of COVID positive athletes had myocarditis". At which point, why do we need specific numbers?
 

WriterGoph said:
Again, you operate in a place of extreme generalizations. It's hard to have a conversation with you. The Black Lives Matter organization may have more extreme views on some stuff, but that is completely different than the 100 million+ people who support Black Lives Matter as a MOVEMENT for racial equality. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I'm sorry it's so hard for you to admit that racial inequality is a very real thing in 2020 America. It must be frustrating to see change happening.
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OK, sure
 

#2Gopher said:
You're way off base big time. Take these comments to the off topic board where there are many more mis-truths and lies. I'll leave it at that.
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I did not push the thread this direction,it was already there
 

Block M said:
I think the real fun will begin if Trump loses a close election.


He won't go quietly--or go at all-- if he loses by less than 4%. That's when the Reality TV show really gets good.
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Sadly, that's when Portland and other cities will truly become violent. Civil war is not entirely out of the question, at least in pocketed areas.
Our society is on edge and about ready to explode. Rule of law may cease as vigilante rule takes its place. (Sad thought)
 



It all comes down to fear imo.

In my experience, extreme righties are scared of everything. They see the changing demographics in the US and with it old belief systems being challenged. And because they can't stop the tide of demographic change in any realistic way (and therefore their long cherished "real American" world view being questioned), they're freaking the hell out and lashing out in every direction.

BLM, muslims, homosexuals, immigrants, Antifa; you name it, they're scared of it.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of the world goes on about their daily business the best they can.

As our current commander-in-chief put it so succinctly, it is what it is.
 
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^^^ exactly.

If the PSU guy is trying to publish off this, then it’s open for professional scrutiny. But if it’s just a simple tally of how many total did vs did not, used as a justification to postpone a game?? Absolutely not.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
There are massive public health implications. That said, need to see the source data otherwise it’s just an anecdote or collection of anecdotes or even hearsay.
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This is already out there, evidenced by the Scientific American article that someone posted in a thread.

It’s not some shocking revelation.
 

MennoSota said:
Sadly, that's when Portland and other cities will truly become violent. Civil war is not entirely out of the question, at least in pocketed areas.
Our society is on edge and about ready to explode. Rule of law may cease as vigilante rule takes its place. (Sad thought)
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If rag-tag RW militias want to make war with the National Guard, well, the results won’t be pretty.
 

MRJ said:
It all comes down to fear imo.

Extreme righties are scared of everything. They see the changing demographics in the US and with it old belief systems being challenged. Because they can't stop the tide of demographic change, they're freaking the hell out and lashing out in every direction.

BLM, muslims, homosexuals, immigrants, Antifa; you name it, they're scared of it.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of the world goes on about their daily business the best they can.
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Don’t forget secularism. That’s the same thing as communism, socialism, and Marxism. They’re terrified of them all.

Because, you know, Trump is a devout evangelical who has never taken advantage of a cent of government money in his career.
 
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Taji34 said:
Data privacy is actually a very complicated subject. Data that seems anonymous can potentially be re-identified in other ways with additional information from other sources.

If I release data that says 100 athletes have had COVID, 30 of them had myocarditis, 10 of those who were from Iowa, 10 from Minnesota, and 10 from Ohio State it seems perfectly anonymized right?

But then someone goes "Well, only 12 athletes at Ohio State have had COVID, and these 2 have come out and stated the didn't have myocarditis" suddenly you know who the 10 athletes were at Ohio State who got myocarditis.

So really, they can only give totals (100 with covid in all of Big Ten, 30 with myocarditis) which is the same amount of information you get from the statement "30-35% of COVID positive athletes had myocarditis". At which point, why do we need specific numbers?
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There is far more granular data necessary what you’re discussing.

It is absurd to suggest a potential guess of so and so’s identity, which is ludicrous on its face, outweighs the public health implications.
 

MplsGopher said:
This is already out there, evidenced by the Scientific American article that someone posted in a thread.

It’s not some shocking revelation.
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You guys really don't seem to understand how science or the scientific method works, or how understanding moves forward. By all means continue to display your ignorance.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
You guys really don't seem to understand how science or the scientific method works, or how understanding moves forward. By all means continue to display your ignorance.
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Non-response, which I assumed was the case.

Please do be sure to inform Scientific American that they don’t understand how science works.
 

Alternate 2020 outcome: SEC/ACC/B12 get sued so hard they foreclose on their football palaces and have to sack their spendy coaches. So the Big Ten rules for the next decade.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
There is far more granular data necessary what you’re discussing.

It is absurd to suggest a potential guess of so and so’s identity, which is ludicrous on its face, outweighs the public health implications.
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I've been dealing with health data privacy tangentially through my workplace. There are so many requirements and hoops to jump through just to be able to collect and release fully anonymous data.

But you are right, my initial argument was precarious at best. Now that I've though about it more the true answer is probably closer to the following: They didn't actually perform a study, they just have this data as a byproduct of testing athletes.

To actually perform a study and release the data the student athletes would have needed to sign a consent form. That would allow their test results to be used in a scientific study and to allow the Principal Investigator of the study to release the findings along with the supporting data. Without that, legally, all they can do is say general statements like "30-35% of athletes had myocarditis". They can't release actual numbers.

Honestly, there probably wasn't to forethought to have every athlete sign a consent form so they could perform a study. Could they retroactively ask athletes to sign a consent/release form to allow their test results to be used in a study after the fact? That I'm unsure, but it may be possible.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
We'll see if this plays out if time goes on, but it's not encouraging :(

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Ouch. This is not the kind of story we want to hear. Somewhere in the sea of articles, it was mentioned that people who exercise a lot more vigorously on a regular basis are more prone to get myocardatis.
 

Taji34 said:
I've been dealing with health data privacy tangentially through my workplace. There are so many requirements and hoops to jump through just to be able to collect and release fully anonymous data.

But you are right, my initial argument was precarious at best. Now that I've though about it more the true answer is probably closer to the following: They didn't actually perform a study, they just have this data as a byproduct of testing athletes.

To actually perform a study and release the data the student athletes would have needed to sign a consent form. That would allow their test results to be used in a scientific study and to allow the Principal Investigator of the study to release the findings along with the supporting data. Without that, legally, all they can do is say general statements like "30-35% of athletes had myocarditis". They can't release actual numbers.

Honestly, there probably wasn't to forethought to have every athlete sign a consent form so they could perform a study. Could they retroactively ask athletes to sign a consent/release form to allow their test results to be used in a study after the fact? That I'm unsure, but it may be possible.
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Right. No study, just an anecdotal, but concerning, tally.

Therefore, no publication. Therefore, nothing to publicize or scrutinize.
 


MplsGopher said:
I've touched on this in other threads (and in the OTB, when I was still posting there). There is a definite psychology to it all.

I hypothesize it works something like this: people have these (sometimes quite extreme) beliefs, simmering on the back burners of their mind/subconscious, but those can't come forward and get cemented into fully fledged beliefs .... unless someone else comes out and says that out loud.

Well, the internet has given a public voice to every single person, even fake people/accounts. So there's a lot more being said out loud. And we also have a very prominent political figure these days, who is repeating and saying some of these things out loud.


All it takes is a mind that wants to believe something ... and a public "person" who says that thing out loud .... and *poof*, it becomes cemented in that mind as a real belief.

Once that happens, it's extremely difficult to "undo" in that mind. Evidence, mostly doesn't even matter. Just like a religious belief. It's self-reinforcing. About the only thing that can really have an impact, is if something bad happens directly to that person or someone very close to them, that goes against the belief. That can undo it, but even then not always.
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intelligent post, credit where credit is due.

Every person is a story and is enbedded in a story. There is super story, bur none of us have immediate access to it.

The wise person lives in accordance with that super story.
 

alaska said:
Just out of curiosity how many black individuals are posting on this site and how many of us are white. For those that are white posters I find it fascinating that you know so much one way or another. I especially love the white posters who pretend to be on board with the BLM movement, but really are just keyboard fighters. If any of you are really passionate about social injustice, social equality, or racial issues do something other than post about it and talk about how others on here have no idea. It’s amusing.

and to quote their website “ We disrupt the western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement...” which I’m not sure why it needs to be disrupted for everyone?
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I'm grey.
 


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