All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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I just want to know where a discussion group exists where views are uniform. I find that fascinating.
 

hello-world said:
People used to bitch and moan about Delany all the time. Do you remember the Penn State fiasco? The AD's basically rescinded the B1G's offer after Delany negotiated adding Penn State without getting the AD's on board. It took a year to sort out all the bitching and moaning after that happened. People similarly bitched about adding Rutgers and Maryland. Academics bitched after adding Nebraska for completely different reasons. Y'all need to clam down with the hot takes. Warren isn't going anywhere.
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Boom.

Sit down PE. The skepticism of internet peons, is not important right now.
 


Word said:
Not at all code for people don't agree with me. There's outlandish stuff being posted here on both sides. Politically I'm somewhere in the middle so I get turned off by the extremes on both sides.

This board has become a lot like the comments section of the Strib. Everything devolves into politics and (most) people on here have their sides picked and can't let their party line go.

I enjoy(ed) gopherhole for the football talk. Never in my life have I searched out a politics message board to debate people. I don't enjoy that and that's why GH isn't very enjoyable anymore.

Clearly you love debating politics and that's great. Everyone has their pastimes. It's just not for me.
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Great post. Your somewhere in the middle like so many who are now without real representation.
 



One thing is for certain the B1G can’t fire Warren or else be called racist. Even though he is hiding under his desk on most issues.
 

Warren works for the Presidents and isn’t the decision maker, although his communication style leaves a lot to be desired and we don’t know his personal feelings on all of this.

There are multiple layers of competing viewpoints to navigate: the players, coaches, ADs, infectious disease committee, their cardiology consultants, the Big Ten return to play working group, and ultimately the head men and women and regents at the respective schools.

From his letter:

To that end, the Big Ten Conference has assembled a Return to Competition Task Force consisting of members from the COP/C, sports medicine and university medical personnel, Athletic Directors, Head Coaches, Faculty Athletic Representatives and Senior Women Administrators to plan for the return of fall sports competition as soon as possible. In evaluating winter/spring models, we will explore many factors including the number of football games that can reasonably be played from a health perspective in a full calendar year while maintaining a premier competitive experience for our student-athletes culminating in a Big Ten Championship. The Big Ten Conference will continue to collect feedback from student-athletes, families, and other constituents and remains in active discussions with its television partners regarding all future plans.



The Infectious Disease Task Force members. A review of their twitter feeds may be helpful in revealing their worldview?

bigten.org

Big Ten Conference Announces Task Force for Emerging Infectious Diseases

The Big Ten Conference today formally announced the formation and membership of its first-ever Task Force for Emerging Infectious Diseases.
bigten.org bigten.org
 






Ogee Oglethorpe said:
I would suspect that Plato has read next to nothing in The NY Times or WaPo that he does not agree with. Pretty much zilch
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That is correct up to a point.
There are columnists that write in both papers that I never or rarely agree with.
That is what the comments section in the NY Times is for. I can disagree in print.
I take comfort in the fact that unlike Trump I can read and write.
 

Plato said:
That is correct up to a point.
There are columnists that write in both papers that I never or rarely agree with.
That is what the comments section in the NY Times is for. I can disagree in print.
I take comfort in the fact that unlike Trump I can read and write.
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IALTO. Severe TDS and we're supposed to take you seriously?
 




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If you still think Covid is a reason to end Football after the CDC admits this, you nothing but a clown like Warren! Start the B1G season
 

Plato said:
The NY Times offers a rational piece on the subject.
It is no secret I agree with it.
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | College Football Is Not Essential (Published 2020)

Why are some schools pressuring student-athletes to play a game that could expose them to the coronavirus?
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Any opinion piece that refers to the University of Michigan as a football powerhouse is a piece of 💩 and immediately loses its credibility. Last Big Ten championship was 2004.
 

As a university the combination of scholarship and athletics makes it a powerhouse.
But to each his own and those who will die in spirit without their team playing football this season nothing and no one is going to assuage their grievances and anger.
 

found this online - FWIW

An infectious disease expert from the University of Minnesota and Minneapolis VA has slammed an "idiotic" piece of COVID-19 misinformation that was removed from Twitter Sunday after being posted by an apparent QAnon follower, and shared by President Donald Trump.

The post by a Twitter account referring to themselves as "Mel Q" claimed that the CDC had updated its COVID-19 website to show that "only 6%" of the people who are reported to have died from COVID-19 actually died from the virus.

The speed at which the misinformation spread on social media prompted a number of rebuttals from experts, among them University of Minnesota Associate Professor Dimitri Drekonja who is the chief of the Minneapolis VA Healthcare System's infectious disease section.

In a Facebook post Monday, he said he felt "the unfortunate need to debunk this stupid idea going around that 94% of COVID deaths were not due to COVID, or that the COVID deaths are somehow being inflated."

"It's idiotic and wrong, and unfortunately being used as just one more form of misinformation," he said.

(the doctor explains how cause of death is attributed)
"If you look at the attached picture (see at bottom of this page), in part one the person completing the form enters the immediate cause of death in Ia. For an 80 y/o man with heart disease and diabetes who came in with a positive COVID test and died on the ventilator, I would enter 'COVID-19.' It then asks if any conditions lead to the immediate cause – in this case, would enter none. Finally, in part II it asks 'Other significant conditions contributing to death' – that's where I would list coronary artery disease and diabetes. And that is where the data on comorbidities comes from.

"No conspiracy. Nothing done differently than if someone had died of influenza. They all died of COVID. So please, don't feed this nonsense."
 

An analogy I saw was the following:

If someone dies of Cancer, but also has diabetes, they are still listed as a cancer death. Diabetes may still have contributed to them dying sooner, but Cancer was still what killed them.

All this new statistic is telling us is that only 6% of people who died of COVID had no other commodities, which we pretty much already knew.
 

Taji34 said:
An analogy I saw was the following:

If someone dies of Cancer, but also has diabetes, they are still listed as a cancer death. Diabetes may still have contributed to them dying sooner, but Cancer was still what killed them.

All this new statistic is telling us is that only 6% of people who died of COVID had no other commodities, which we pretty much already knew.
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The more I’ve read into this, the 6% probably should be 0%. Nobody really dies of just COVID. But COVID will cause something else to happen like pneumonia, respiratory failure, kidney failure, etc. that will then cause someone to die. There are almost always immediate and sometimes secondary causes, and an underlying cause.
 

Plato said:
As a university the combination of scholarship and athletics makes it a powerhouse.
But to each his own and those who will die in spirit without their team playing football this season nothing and no one is going to assuage their grievances and anger.
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Are you having a stroke?
 

GophersInIowa said:
The more I’ve read into this, the 6% probably should be 0%. Nobody really dies of just COVID. But COVID will cause something else to happen like pneumonia, respiratory failure, kidney failure, etc. that will then cause someone to die. There are almost always immediate and sometimes secondary causes, and an underlying cause.
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I mean, you're splitting hairs at that point. Like, if you're going to get that picky, then no one truly dies of just any respiratory disease or virus because its "really" pneumonia or something else. We count Flu deaths the same way, and cancer deaths. There are only so many ways you can die, but the important thing to track is what CAUSED you to die that way.

What this is saying is, that 6% of folks who died with COVID ONLY had COVID to blame for the complications that lead to their death.
 

Taji34 said:
I mean, you're splitting hairs at that point. Like, if you're going to get that picky, then no one truly dies of just any respiratory disease or virus because its "really" pneumonia or something else. We count Flu deaths the same way, and cancer deaths. There are only so many ways you can die, but the important thing to track is what CAUSED you to die that way.

What this is saying is, that 6% of folks who died with COVID ONLY had COVID to blame for the complications that lead to their death.
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I guess I’m saying the reporting is consistent is all. The 94% could include people that were healthy but the doctor included pneumonia or respiratory failure on the death certificate along with COVID and another doctor just puts COVID for a very similar situation.

The “other” section of that chart even includes a comorbidity of “chest pain”. So it seems some list every little thing on the death certificate, others don’t.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I guess I’m saying the reporting is consistent is all. The 94% could include people that were healthy but the doctor included pneumonia or respiratory failure on the death certificate along with COVID and another doctor just puts COVID for a very similar situation.

The “other” section of that chart even includes a comorbidity of “chest pain”. So it seems some list every little thing on the death certificate, others don’t.
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Is there any proof this happens, or is it just a scenario that you've thought up?

At the end of the day, yes there is going to be some variance in the data as it's up to the doctor to determine what information is relevant to include, but they are also highly trained individuals. If an individual was otherwise healthy, I would not expect a doctor to list a comorbidity on a COVID death certificate unless they felt there was some other reason that caused it (such as an individual that already had pneumonia and was recovering, but caught COVID before recovering fully and then died).
 

Again -- no matter how fast you waive your hands, the following is true: every person in this country who has died from covid19 this year, likely would still be alive today if there had been no pandemic.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
found this online - FWIW

An infectious disease expert from the University of Minnesota and Minneapolis VA has slammed an "idiotic" piece of COVID-19 misinformation that was removed from Twitter Sunday after being posted by an apparent QAnon follower, and shared by President Donald Trump.

The post by a Twitter account referring to themselves as "Mel Q" claimed that the CDC had updated its COVID-19 website to show that "only 6%" of the people who are reported to have died from COVID-19 actually died from the virus.

The speed at which the misinformation spread on social media prompted a number of rebuttals from experts, among them University of Minnesota Associate Professor Dimitri Drekonja who is the chief of the Minneapolis VA Healthcare System's infectious disease section.

In a Facebook post Monday, he said he felt "the unfortunate need to debunk this stupid idea going around that 94% of COVID deaths were not due to COVID, or that the COVID deaths are somehow being inflated."

"It's idiotic and wrong, and unfortunately being used as just one more form of misinformation," he said.

(the doctor explains how cause of death is attributed)
"If you look at the attached picture (see at bottom of this page), in part one the person completing the form enters the immediate cause of death in Ia. For an 80 y/o man with heart disease and diabetes who came in with a positive COVID test and died on the ventilator, I would enter 'COVID-19.' It then asks if any conditions lead to the immediate cause – in this case, would enter none. Finally, in part II it asks 'Other significant conditions contributing to death' – that's where I would list coronary artery disease and diabetes. And that is where the data on comorbidities comes from.

"No conspiracy. Nothing done differently than if someone had died of influenza. They all died of COVID. So please, don't feed this nonsense."
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Big fan of Dr. Drekonja and can say he is extremely well-read in this topic.
 


Really all you have to do, is check the political party of the Doctor. Those Doctors supporting Biden will check Covid as the cause of death. Those supporting President Trump will list the cause of death as anything else.
 




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