All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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alchemy2u said:
Please do a little research on why conditions such as Myocarditis is much more of a problem for an elite athlete engaged in strenuous workouts.

Covid is not the flu, there are numerous studies that show it affects the heart of many of the people who are infected.

Here is just one article that shows that "recovering" from Covid does not mean you are back to normal. It is not political, it is science.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/
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Asking Ogee to do research?? That's like asking a pig to grow wings.
 

highwayman said:
Interesting, but likely is not a valid “study”. The implication is that they did a full heart scan or imaging the minute they were admitted. Highly, highly unlikely. There isn’t time, and there isn’t a reason. If the baseline isn’t set upon initial admittance, it isn’t a baseline.

More likely, they did a scan upon recovery, and then guessed at what their heart was like before. Not good science. Pandering science.
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This is just a question. Did you read the actual study or just say this? It's a case control study with COVID patients looked at 2 weeks post infection matched with healthy, comorbidity matched volunteers. Not a pre-post assessment. I'm not saying the study is great or anything, but just saying that calling a study valid/invalid without even looking is just an odd take.
 

 

STPGopher said:
Per the tweet: "Today I was diagnosed with a heart condition as a result of my covid-19 infection."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/#:~:text=Human%20coronavirus%2Dassociated%20myocarditis%20is,to%20the%20host's%20immune%20response.

https://hartfordhealthcaremedicalgr...nter/news-detail?articleid=25255&publicId=395


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88060

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...reveals-heart-complications-covid-19-patients
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I see where the different interpretations are coming from. It isn't grammatically clear in the sentence what "as a result of my covid-19 infection." Is operating on. It could be operating on the diagnosis (i.e. I was receiving a cardiac workup due to my prior infection) or the heart condition (i.e. I have this heart condition due to COVID). Which way you interpret that sentence will vary.

I personally think it's the latter, but there is ambiguity in the sentence as it stands.
 


Taji34 said:
I see where the different interpretations are coming from. It isn't grammatically clear in the sentence what "as a result of my covid-19 infection." Is operating on. It could be operating on the diagnosis (i.e. I was receiving a cardiac workup due to my prior infection) or the heart condition (i.e. I have this heart condition due to COVID). Which way you interpret that sentence will vary.

I personally think it's the latter, but there is ambiguity in the sentence as it stands.
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Fair enough.

Just another link:

Myocarditis Was A Game Changer for Big Ten, Pac-12
 

alchemy2u said:
Please, stop making such ignorant claims that have no basis in the truth.
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While it seems possible and probably likely Covid-19 causes myocarditis at potentially significantly higher rates than other types of viruses known to cause similar problems, those studies are not definitive truth and nobody has a handle on this (yet). Any scientist or physician will tell you this, and indeed that is exactly what’s happened soon after the studies were released in July. The statistics, accuracy, and interpretation of the German studies have been torn apart by a number of statistics-trained and clinical cardiologists. The findings in those populations, even if true and reproducible, are not necessarily applicable to a different population or age group. You need to check yourself there.
 

We know at minimum Tyler Nanne and Gary Tinsley had complications known to be or thought to be second to myocarditis. Obviously one had a better course. Are there other known cases in U of M athletics in recent years? Post-mono, etc. I recall at least one player (can’t recall name )that was shut down for 6+ months a couple years ago and fits the profile. I’m sure there are others.
 

Nokomis said:
I imagine the locker room is the highest risk area for these athletes. That's why some health clubs are open but not the locker rooms. Yes, it's everywhere, but certain areas are higher risk than others. This recommendation comes from health experts so isn't entirely arbitrary. I've seen this handy chart circulated on social media. For football players, you're combining working out at a gym, playing football, and going to a sports stadium into their weekly routine -- compounding risk instead of reducing.

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This is ridiculous.
 



MplsGopher said:
Considering how much you lie, and obviously are a racist bigot, no one should believe this statement.
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Haha, the old Loony Lefty playbook: if you can't win the argument call them liars, racists, and bigots! IALTO

Are you still enjoying your 2 to 1 "lead" in being most ignored on GH? I've seen the analytics dude. Most here think you're a total douche.
 

Apparently another potential fallout of covid exposure involves hearing problems - tinnitus, vertigo and hearing loss. something about how it affects the inner ear.

I know a guy who had covid about 6 months ago, and he is still having problems with his hearing. He was doing sports play-by-play for a radio station in Iowa, but he isn't doing games this fall because his hearing is still messed up, ringing in the ears, etc.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
While it seems possible and probably likely Covid-19 causes myocarditis at potentially significantly higher rates than other types of viruses known to cause similar problems, those studies are not definitive truth and nobody has a handle on this (yet). Any scientist or physician will tell you this, and indeed that is exactly what’s happened soon after the studies were released in July. The statistics, accuracy, and interpretation of the German studies have been torn apart by a number of statistics-trained and clinical cardiologists. The findings in those populations, even if true and reproducible, are not necessarily applicable to a different population or age group. You need to check yourself there.
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There is plenty of smoke here. All athletes that get Covid probably need a cardiac work up before returning to action. Question would be when is the appropriate time to look? A month after clearing the virus?
 

Block M said:
There is plenty of smoke here. All athletes that get Covid probably need a cardiac work up before returning to action. Question would be when is the appropriate time to look? A month after clearing the virus?
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The guys are getting awesome Covid screenings and cardiac work ups not easily available to 99.99% of the working (and non-working, in this case) schmucks out there. There continues to be a belief the kids will magically avoid Covid by not being at school...good luck with that. Maybe? Locked in the basement, or under the stairs?
 



LesBolstad said:
Haha, the old Loony Lefty playbook: if you can't win the argument call them liars, racists, and bigots! IALTO

Are you still enjoying your 2 to 1 "lead" in being most ignored on GH? I've seen the analytics dude. Most here think you're a total douche.
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If you weren’t a racist coward liar, you would’ve proven it by now :)
 

per Rittenberg:


The parent protest punctuated two weeks of letters, petitions, remarks and general discontent about the Big Ten's decision. A group of Nebraska parents are also threatening legal action if the Big Ten doesn't produce documents relating to the Aug. 11 announcement, including the votes of each president and chancellor, as well as scientific data and medical information. Although three other FBS conferences and almost all of the lower-division leagues also have postponed for similar reasons, the Big Ten has drawn more public outcries, and Warren has been the primary focus for the criticism.

Parent complaints can be written off, especially after a small turnout Friday, but their concerns are shared by the majority of people inside Big Ten programs ESPN has interviewed during the past few weeks. That's a problem for Warren and the league, especially if the bad feelings continue to fester.

"Been in this league for 20-plus years," a league source told ESPN. "This has been embarrassing."

"Everyone is furious," added another source. "Not the way it has ever gone down. And the ramifications are staggering."

The public criticism is highly unusual for the 124-year-old conference, whose members pride themselves on unity and keeping disagreements in-house. Former commissioner Jim Delany, who stepped down Jan. 1 after 30 years leading the league, made pioneering and, at times, unpopular moves -- football division names "Legends" and "Leaders" flopped badly, and many people still aren't wild about expansion additions Maryland and Rutgers. Still, the Big Ten has rarely exposed such wounds publicly.

Why is the Big Ten taking so much heat for making a choice many would call sensible rather than shocking? The SEC parades the "it just means more" motto, but the Big Ten has large and passionate fan bases that care, fans who can go toe-to-toe with any conference. The Big Ten also includes three of the sport's five largest stadiums (Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State, all over 100,000 capacity). Some athletic directors are projecting up to $100 million losses if football isn't played. Speaking a day after the postponement, Ohio State coach Ryan Day said, "As a coach, you work your whole life for an opportunity to coach a team like this. ... It could have been a once-in-a-lifetime team."

www.espn.com

Inside the Big Ten's two weeks of discontent: 'Everyone is furious'

Since the Big Ten announced it was postponing its fall season on Aug. 11, coaches, players and parents have pointed their frustration toward new commissioner Kevin Warren. But is the criticism deserved? We take an inside look at a tumultuous few weeks.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Go Gophers!!
 


BleedGopher said:
per Rittenberg:


The parent protest punctuated two weeks of letters, petitions, remarks and general discontent about the Big Ten's decision. A group of Nebraska parents are also threatening legal action if the Big Ten doesn't produce documents relating to the Aug. 11 announcement, including the votes of each president and chancellor, as well as scientific data and medical information. Although three other FBS conferences and almost all of the lower-division leagues also have postponed for similar reasons, the Big Ten has drawn more public outcries, and Warren has been the primary focus for the criticism.

Parent complaints can be written off, especially after a small turnout Friday, but their concerns are shared by the majority of people inside Big Ten programs ESPN has interviewed during the past few weeks. That's a problem for Warren and the league, especially if the bad feelings continue to fester.

"Been in this league for 20-plus years," a league source told ESPN. "This has been embarrassing."

"Everyone is furious," added another source. "Not the way it has ever gone down. And the ramifications are staggering."

The public criticism is highly unusual for the 124-year-old conference, whose members pride themselves on unity and keeping disagreements in-house. Former commissioner Jim Delany, who stepped down Jan. 1 after 30 years leading the league, made pioneering and, at times, unpopular moves -- football division names "Legends" and "Leaders" flopped badly, and many people still aren't wild about expansion additions Maryland and Rutgers. Still, the Big Ten has rarely exposed such wounds publicly.

Why is the Big Ten taking so much heat for making a choice many would call sensible rather than shocking? The SEC parades the "it just means more" motto, but the Big Ten has large and passionate fan bases that care, fans who can go toe-to-toe with any conference. The Big Ten also includes three of the sport's five largest stadiums (Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State, all over 100,000 capacity). Some athletic directors are projecting up to $100 million losses if football isn't played. Speaking a day after the postponement, Ohio State coach Ryan Day said, "As a coach, you work your whole life for an opportunity to coach a team like this. ... It could have been a once-in-a-lifetime team."

www.espn.com

Inside the Big Ten's two weeks of discontent: 'Everyone is furious'

Since the Big Ten announced it was postponing its fall season on Aug. 11, coaches, players and parents have pointed their frustration toward new commissioner Kevin Warren. But is the criticism deserved? We take an inside look at a tumultuous few weeks.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Go Gophers!!
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because ESPN hasn't publicly and clearly focused on airing the dirty laundry as they have in this case. It's so easy to find an "unnamed source" who will say anything. Clear pandering yet again from EPSN
 

The real screw ups were at the schools themselves.

Presidents made a call. They should have talked to the ADs and the coaches (or had the ADs do it) and that should have been the end of it.

Neb and some others didn't seem to be on the same page, and they all should have known better to get on the same page before announcing plans or bitching to the media.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
The real screw ups were at the schools themselves.

Presidents made a call. They should have talked to the ADs and the coaches (or had the ADs do it) and that should have been the end of it.

Neb and some others didn't seem to be on the same page, and they all should have known better to get on the same page before announcing plans or bitching to the media.
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Warren is responsible for making sure everyone is on the same page.
 

BleedGopher said:
per Rittenberg:

The public criticism is highly unusual for the 124-year-old conference, whose members pride themselves on unity and keeping disagreements in-house. Former commissioner Jim Delany, who stepped down Jan. 1 after 30 years leading the league, made pioneering and, at times, unpopular moves -- football division names "Legends" and "Leaders" flopped badly, and many people still aren't wild about expansion additions Maryland and Rutgers. Still, the Big Ten has rarely exposed such wounds publicly.
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Wholeheartedly agree on that Legends and Leaders business, the names themselves and division assignments was ripe for ridicule. Glad that was put out of it's misery.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Warren is responsible for making sure everyone is on the same page.
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You can argue over whether or not it was the right move to cancel the 2020 B1G football season, but Warren has proven himself to be in way, way over his head in this position. The body of work makes any argument otherwise really hard to maintain. Just plain way, way too many mistakes in such a short time
 



The B1G leaders want to believe they can make decisions and be above criticism. Nope Welcome to the real world.
 

#2Gopher said:
Disagree. How can you make idiots agree sometimes on common sense issues? Our country is clearly divided on a number of issues. People are speaking out louder now.
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Delany would not have messed up this royally! Before any statement or decision was made, there would have been a clear direction and uniformity on the issue!

Kevin Warren is not capable to run the B1G and hid from the moment and was not able to get uniformity among the presidents.

Kevin Warren should resign if he had honor in himself and if not should be fired for incompetence. Warren is even letting his own son play at Miss, and he said he let his son make the decision. Well that’s all these B1G players want also is to decide for themselves just like his son. But Warren took that from B1G players!
 

GopherFanatic19 said:
Delany would not have messed up this royally! Before any statement or decision was made, there would have been a clear direction and uniformity on the issue!

Kevin Warren is not capable to run the B1G and hid from the moment and was not able to get uniformity among the presidents.

Kevin Warren should resign if he had honor in himself and if not should be fired for incompetence. Warren is even letting his own son play at Miss, and he said he let his son make the decision. Well that’s all these B1G players want also is to decide for themselves just like his son. But Warren took that from B1G players!
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Easy, big fella.
 

GopherFanatic19 said:
Delany would not have messed up this royally! Before any statement or decision was made, there would have been a clear direction and uniformity on the issue!

Kevin Warren is not capable to run the B1G and hid from the moment and was not able to get uniformity among the presidents.

Kevin Warren should resign if he had honor in himself and if not should be fired for incompetence. Warren is even letting his own son play at Miss, and he said he let his son make the decision. Well that’s all these B1G players want also is to decide for themselves just like his son. But Warren took that from B1G players!
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Dude, shut up about his son. You keep posting the same thing on every comment on this issue. His son has nothing to do with his job and his stakeholders (presidents and chancellors in the Big Ten)
 

#2Gopher said:
Disagree. How can you make idiots agree sometimes on common sense issues? Our country is clearly divided on a number of issues. People are speaking out louder now.
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Common sense says to give the adults the choice to play, just like his son will have the option to play.

Warren is the leader at the end of the day. He had control over releasing the schedule and acting like there was going to be a fall season, only to completely reverse course in a few days. This was after they had 5 months to come up with a plan.

That's very poor leadership in action.
 

^^ people making up whatever they want to be true, without having any clue. Sad
 

Too early to tell. The B1G and Pac-12 folks could come out looking good if the fall football season falls apart because of COVID.
 

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