This is an interesting read from a Managing Partner and General Counsel of a chain of 13 emergency clinics in Texas. Lots of cases, very mild symptoms. Most are given antibiotics and a steroid shot, and are better within 2-3 days.
The misconceptions that I bulleted and addressed. Again, the view in the medical and scientific community has changed from "Masks are used for prevention" to "Masks are used for risk reduction and spread." So at the time of those recommendations, based on the information we had available, that recommendation made sense, we should preserve PPE for hospitals. But those recommendations were all built on data and viewpoints we have about pandemic flu. Then we started to find out new information, as I have already outlined.
Just because a handful of people don't know how to use a mask doesn't mean we should all not wear them.
Also you keep saying Fauci like he's the leader of everything, he's only reacting to what the science and medicine that comes available says. Would you rather people dig in to their original viewpoints even when confronted with strong evidence that says they were wrong?
One Walmart store in the Twin Cities had 17 cashiers/store workers test positive for CoVid-19 within a thirty-day period.
I'm defending the scientific and medical community. I'm not really a big fan, anyone in his position with the same credentials would have done the same. He's no saint, and he's no antichrist.You keep bending over backwards to defend Fauci. I’ll just assume you’re a big fan. You haven’t changed my mind about his 180 on masks, so let’s just move on.
Also, I will add, look at the CDC providing facts that match up with your viewpoint:This is an interesting read from a Managing Partner and General Counsel of a chain of 13 emergency clinics in Texas. Lots of cases, very mild symptoms. Most are given antibiotics and a steroid shot, and are better within 2-3 days.
Hospitalizations have mirrored the rise in cases. Mild cases don't end up in the hospital.This is an interesting read from a Managing Partner and General Counsel of a chain of 13 emergency clinics in Texas. Lots of cases, very mild symptoms. Most are given antibiotics and a steroid shot, and are better within 2-3 days.
Which store? Can you tell me where I can read about this? I can’t find anything.
Which store? Can you tell me where I can read about this? I can’t find anything.
It was on Facebook.
I saw it posted on Facebook. I can't find it again. You may have to do a search: Walmart tested positive for coronavirus or something like that.
Hospitalizations have mirrored the rise in cases. Mild cases don't end up in the hospital.
They can do whatever they want, none of there teams are good.? Only question is how much money would they have to give the non conference schools that are scheduled for declining to play.The Ivy League is considering a 7 game schedule (Conf games only) which could be in the spring. These were the smart people that cancelled everything a couple of days before the rest of the USA way back in March.
They do not send their teams to the 1AA playoffs, so they could in theory be an outlier and do whatever and whenever the heck they want to do.
Report: Ivy League season could move to spring
The Ivy League is considering whether to play a seven-game, conference-only football season this fall, or it could play a seven-game season that would begin in April according to a report from TMG Sports.www.espn.com
I did a search and came up empty. Oh, well.
Fauci says vaccine by end of the year is still possible. He has credibility, we posters have none.
Herd immunity won’t be achieved until we have a vaccine. Right now likely less than 15% of the population has been infected and maybe less than 10%. End of the year isn’t going to magically jump up 50% more. Maybe 20-25% by the end of the year, meaning probably 300k dead.
Here is one in Massachusetts back in May - https://www.radio.com/news/81-walmart-employees-test-positive-for-coronavirus
Are CoVid-19 cases higher? https://www.eatthis.com/walmart-employees-coronavirus-cases-higher-than-company-claims/
Most likely stores today try to keep CoVid-19 info away from the public eye.
Since April 1st, we have averaged 27,831 cases per day. The population of the US is 328.2 million. At that rate, it would take 11,792 days or 32 years to infect everyone. Even using the broad assumption that the real # of cases is 10x the # of positive tests, it would still take over 3 years. I hope we have a vaccine before then.Thanks for the thoughtful posts Rah.
I disagree that everyone will get it before a vaccine arrives. But I’m mainly saying that out of hope, and not at all from expertise.
7 Gopher Athletes from multiple sports positive for Covid-19 out of 170 tested.
Ummm, what if they end up being outliers and suffer lung damage?Fantastic, let's hope more test positive early this summer so they can put it behind them, in fact, Morgan, Batement, Ibrahim should get infected now.
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Ummm, what if they end up being outliers and suffer lung damage?
Shouldn't cancel a thing, for those who aren't positive. Keep testing them. Testing/screening protocol is working.7 Gopher Athletes from multiple sports positive for Covid-19 out of 170 tested.
A vaccine will arrive well before the majority of people in the country are infected.They're going to get it anyway, so are you unless (1) you already have corona virus antibodies, (2) a vaccine arrives first. Look at the numbers, young people have more risk from the flu.
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Is there a certain % needed before herd immunity starts to kick in, I'm just guessing that it isn't 100%A vaccine will arrive well before the majority of people in the country are infected.
Correct, should be significantly smaller than that, but guessing no one knows for sure.Is there a certain % needed before herd immunity starts to kick in, I'm just guessing that it isn't 100%
60-80% are estimates for herd immunity by epidemiologists, but yeah no one really knows. NYC is estimated to be at around 20% already.Correct, should be significantly smaller than that, but guessing no one knows for sure.
But look at Howeda's post. Even to 50% is another 1.5 years. Could things go wrong with the vaccine so that it isn't ready until the end of 2021? Yes, it could. Hopefully not though.
I never have nor will deny they were concerned about saving PPE, because the healthcare system is really the only thing that matters in this whole thing. Pretty much everyone is going to get it, it spreads too fast for that not to be a reality, vaccines can't come fast enough. The only thing that matters is keeping healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, because if that happens COVID related and unrelated deaths sky rocket.
Please go ahead and read this paper: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6498/1422
You still have some misconceptions that have been addressed in the medical/scientific community:
- " He was absolutely right about people touching their faces and masks. He touches his own mask all the time."
- Influenza and colds predominantly spread through fomites/contact infection, this is part of the reason masks were viewed as ineffectual against COVID, however the literature has shown (from the linked paper):
- "PE made a good point above about homemade cloth masks. Those are almost worthless, and give some people a false sense of security. Sure, they will capture huge blobs of snot if you sneeze, but what about microscopic dropouts that can supposedly stay suspended in the air for hours. I also wonder how often people are washing those cloth masks."
- From the paper: Masks provide a critical barrier, reducing the number of infectious viruses in exhaled breath, especially of asymptomatic people and those with mild symptoms (12) (see the figure). Surgical mask material reduces the likelihood and severity of COVID-19 by substantially reducing airborne viral concentrations (13). Masks can also protect uninfected individuals from SARS-CoV-2 aerosols and droplets (13, 14). Thus, it is particularly important to wear masks in locations with conditions that can accumulate high concentrations of viruses, such as health care settings, airplanes, restaurants, and other crowded places with reduced ventilation. The aerosol filtering efficiency of different materials, thicknesses, and layers used in properly fitted homemade masks was recently found to be similar to that of the medical masks that were tested (14). Thus, the option of universal masking is no longer held back by shortages.
- Of course N95 > Surgical mask > Cloth mask....but if your only aim is to slow the spread, then a cloth mask is better than no masks.
Thanks for the reference, I don’t know if I’d seen this one. It sure would be nice getting some standardization from the gov (with support outside of the CDC), Still have to get people on the train of something is better than nothing first.Many/most cloth masks I see are made of cotton, and many appear to be low quality, low thread cotton although I’m not very good at guessing thread count by appearance. While the referenced study indicates some multilayer, high thread count, or other layered masks can be very effective and even better than medical grade masks the filtration curve varies wildly and lower thread count, single layer (eg #80 cotton) particularly at the more realistic 3.2 CFM, and poor fit is a major factor. Check out the filtration efficiency for low thread count cotton and I see these too often. Personally I’d prefer a standardized, NIOSH certified standard mask for every person so we don’t have to guess but there is no inertia in that direction.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252/suppl_file/nn0c03252_si_001.pdf