All Things Bowling Green at Minnesota Post-Game Thread

Bowling Green defeated Minnesota 14-10 today.

The Golden Gophers were favored by 30.5 points, tying the largest upset between two FBS programs since Texas State defeated Houston (-35) in 2012. https://t.co/LqC4J7sKAl
wow not a good place to be at. The worst part is that it is year 5. Not 0 not 1. I think his ego is ruining his career. Hiring Sanford as OC is one of the example. His record is abysmal. Yet PJ thought he can alter the career trajectory of Sanford when he hired him. ND to WKU (HC) to UtS is hardly can be regarded as progress. That hire happen right after 2019 success. It was easy to forget the absolute disaster with Robb Smit as DC.
Hope that loss will get him some humility that he is not Nick Saban.
 
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Yes. Our OC crew is not capable of winning B1G level games. As an employee you don't go from place to place and leave messy wake behind. Sanford is capable of f#%%%ing Jordan Love up @ utah state. Didn't do well @ ND. And many more. What Pj was sold is absolute mystery to me. Some coordinators can talk big games or intricacies of each play but cannot coordinate sustain drives. It is that simple.
Bring back Jedd Fisch? :banghead::eek::p
 

It's not only that, but he's got happy feet, balls are being batted left and right...........and to top it off, he's not seeing the field. He is locked in all the time to one receiver.

I'm bored with Morgan. I'm ready to look to the future, but it won't happen.
The locked in to one receiver is not always his fault. There are times when the routes that the receivers run, it looks like he has one read and one read only. At least that is what I have seen in prior games. Will look for that when I watch the game over the next couple days.
 

Offense, coaching, and special teams blew this one. Autman-Bell can’t stay on the field. Shouldn’t have mattered, as they still should’ve easily won. Where were the other WRs today? One deep shot all game? No WR screens. If BG is going to go all out on the run, these plays should be open.

Morgan- Was he trying to makeup for the fumble, by running so much?? He had guys wide open in the middle, and he chooses to pull it down and run?? Then again, he’s back to throwing behind receivers and short-hopping open guys on slants. Seems the coaches only trust him to just hand the ball off, and not pass. I believe another zero second half passing yards (BG and Miami OH). There is no balance on offense here.

I doubt anyone thought they’d cover the 31-pt spread. But you have to at least wIn. Enough of the cream puffs. If you win, you were supposed to. If you win ugly or lose, well this is what you see. There is no benefit to do this. The backups never get a chance to get in these games anyway, because the games are always close.

This was a season-defining loss. It’s not over-selling it to say that it could become a program-changing loss. All those recruits there today, are probably going to take their talents elsewhere. It was bad enough that the place was about half-full. Recruits notice that. And then what the U put out there today. Unfortunately, the crowds from here on out will be smaller than what we saw today. This was an extremely damaging loss.

I’m afraid I’ll be one of only a few who’ll still be showing up to the games, after this.
 
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My take? These guys should be humiliated by how they played, but I doubt many will be. LOTS of huge egos in college football amongst both coaches and players, hence Fleck's tired line of "we'll row through this" BS at the press conference.

Note to coach: Nobody wants to hear about "rowing the boat" when you just got done sucking monkey balls. Save that rah rah stuff for the locker room. Minnesota sports fans have had a gut full of that kind of useless talk over the years and it won't mean jack squat to the majority of the public.

Just friggin' get the job done. Period.
 

Oof. You can say what you want about the media in this town, and a lot of the criticism of the media holds lots of water. On the other side of the coin, most will agree that the one media member in this town who both understands the college game and appears to be a straight shooter is Chip Scoggins. Lots of folks who have swallowed the hook on the line PJ tossed in the water are not going to like what they read in the Peach section when they sober up in the morning.
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Except those guys are soft as hell when push actually comes to shove. They haven't had any stones for years.
Yeah. Weird flex. Gophers hockey has a massive built-in advantage. Pushing 20 years since they won a title.
 
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Nope. The two decisions by the HC on the 4th down and the long FG attempt lost the game. I have no doubt Gophs would have won and scored more points but for those decisions.
This is laughable. The offense had 13 possessions and scored 10 points. Scored on 2 of 13 possessions.
I agree the 4th down go for it was colossally stupid, and I disagreed with the FG attempt, thought they actually should have went for it there.
11 opportunities to score, 0 for 11. Fleck gave them 7 points, this offense couldn’t score a Touchdown with 11 chances against a mid level MAC team in their home stadium.
 

My opinion after a long day out of the house for this event? This program regressed 15 years in one day.

You've lost a sold out student section, walk up sales for the rest of the season and then some.

I no longer want to hear the accolades of our offensive line, Tanner Morgan, or our running game.

This was the worst effort I have seen in 45 years.
Wow! That speaks volumes.
 

I'll state the obvious. Today's result kinda reinforces the belief, by many, that 2019 was a fluke.

Really disappointing to see such a veteran team struggle when we were led to believe great things would happen.

The good news... Coyle won't be doing a coaching search anytime soon.
I don't think 2019 was a fluke. I think people tend to gloss over the incredible run of back up QB's they faced that year. A school could play for a hundred years and never be that fortunate. So, it's not a fluke because they SHOULD have won those games. Had some of those teams had their QB1, it might not have been quite the same season. For example, Purdue lost their starting QB AND Rondale Moore on the same play. Yet, they still had a chance to win the game.
 

Bowling Green defeated Minnesota 14-10 today.

The Golden Gophers were favored by 30.5 points, tying the largest upset between two FBS programs since Texas State defeated Houston (-35) in 2012. https://t.co/LqC4J7sKAl
Yes, tying. For example #6 wisconsin was favored over Illinois by 30.5 in 2019 and lost.

It was glorious.
 




I don't think 2019 was a fluke. I think people tend to gloss over the incredible run of back up QB's they faced that year. A school could play for a hundred years and never be that fortunate. So, it's not a fluke because they SHOULD have won those games. Had some of those teams had their QB1, it might not have been quite the same season. For example, Purdue lost their starting QB AND Rondale Moore on the same play. Yet, they still had a chance to win the game.
"Fluke", as in thinking PJ could produce multiple great seasons. In year four or five(Is Year Zero still a thing) and this staff looks like every other from the last several decades. And for those that think recruiting is better... recruiting is subjective. And if recruiting is indeed improved, then development is well below what's needed.

We're in the B1G west, for chrissakes. It's there for the taking. Fleck needs a blowout win at Purdue next week in the worst way. The locker room had to be a pretty depressing place yesterday.
 

You must have missed getting stomped by South Dakota, NDSUx2, New Mexico State, etc

this isn’t a new thing. This is the worst game in 10 years, not 50
Yeah, probably so.... This was my initial gut reaction after a long day.

I was at all of those others as well, but never fathomed that it would/could occur to this team in this game.

I'm reminding myself this morning that it is simply entertainment....
 

Did you also complain last week when they did the exact same thing and got the first down? The only complaint I have is the time out, prior to running up the middle. That let them sub and gamelan to play all out run D. If you're going for it, go before the TO to get them scrambling
No! Because the O-line was playing infinitly better in that game. You have to judge on the current situation and the O-line was invisible on Saturday. Our defense was absolutely dominating the game as well at that point. Punt it away and start over on the next series.
 

I don't think 2019 was a fluke. I think people tend to gloss over the incredible run of back up QB's they faced that year. A school could play for a hundred years and never be that fortunate. So, it's not a fluke because they SHOULD have won those games. Had some of those teams had their QB1, it might not have been quite the same season. For example, Purdue lost their starting QB AND Rondale Moore on the same play. Yet, they still had a chance to win the game.

I do agree with you that everything (well, almost everything) seemed to go just right for us in 2019. However, in the Purdue game, I don't think those missing offensive starters were the problem. At QB, Plummer replaced Sindelar, had a pretty good game, and probably has been a better QB than the one he replaced. Moore's injury allowed David Bell to step up and he's had a great career (he had 8 receptions for 114 yards in that game). I'd say a much bigger problem for Purdue was pass defense as Tanner had a game for the ages in that one (21-22 for 396 yards, 4 touchdowns, no interceptions).
 

I doubt anyone thought they’d cover the 31-pt spread. But you have to at least wIn. Enough of the cream puffs. If you win, you were supposed to. If you win ugly or lose, well this is what you see. There is no benefit to do this. The backups never get a chance to get in these games anyway, because the games are always close.

This was a season-defining loss. It’s not over-selling it to say that it could become a program-changing loss. All those recruits there today, are probably going to take their talents elsewhere. It was bad enough that the place was about half-full. Recruits notice that. And then what the U put out there today. Unfortunately, the crowds from here on out will be smaller than what we saw today. This was an extremely damaging loss.
This stuff is by far the worst part of this loss. By far.

Thing is: money-wise we always need to have seven home games, and so we're always going to need two cup-cakes that we can just pay off for a game to go along with 5 P5/Big Ten games.


In hindsight: Bowling Green should have been the first game, and Ohio State should have been yesterday. It would've at least tasted much better, and wouldn't have been such a gut punch.

We blew our load with the Super Bowl as the first game of the year, and have been "coasting" since. Got lucky that Colorado was a horrible matchup against us. But both MAC teams knew exactly how to exploit us with a bunch of smaller, faster players.
 

Our coaches consistently make Tanner Morgan look over to the sidelines, multiple times, as the play clock is winding down. Then they change the play, and Morgan has to frantically change the play at the line, and the ball is snapped, at the last second. This happens way too often. This is not putting Morgan in a position to succeed. This is what you do, when you have a very young QB, not a Senior QB.
 

Agree that the "look to the sidelines" fad is a bunch of nonsense gimmick.

Fleck needs to divorce himself from it. It does more harm than hypothetical good.
 

Scoggins -- you can say it's a troll article, fine, but I think he simply his a lot of true points


Typical Gophers.

This is what they do, who they are. The football equivalent of a buzzkill.

Pitch a shutout in an impressive road win one week, look totally unprepared in producing one of the most inexcusable losses in program history the next week.

And P.J. Fleck wonders why a large metropolis looks down at his program with such negativity and skepticism. Because of days like Saturday, a Homecoming horror show of the highest order.

This latest embarrassment belongs entirely to Fleck. All of it. The stain of a 14-10 loss to Bowling Green can't be scrubbed away with catchphrases.

The Gophers suffered defeat as 31-point favorites, making it one of the 20 biggest upsets in college football in several decades based on point spread.

Bowling Green had lost 10 consecutive games to FBS opponents. The Falcons roster features 71 players who graduated high school in either 2020 or 2021, making them one of the youngest teams in the nation.

None of that mattered one iota. They were the better team in every facet. Coaching. Offense. Defense. Special teams.

"Every single thing that happened out there on that field falls on me," said Fleck, who is now 0-17 when trailing at halftime.

What a damning stat. Not once in 17 tries has Fleck turned a halftime deficit into victory. Not even a 7-3 deficit to Bowling Green. Nope, that mountain was too high to conquer.

A head coach is responsible for his team's preparedness and game management, and Fleck flunked both areas Saturday.

His team committed dumb penalties. The offense was … it's hard to even describe that mess. Special teams turned back into a pumpkin. And weird clock management and play-calling put the cherry on top.

"I'm not sure what football team was out there," Fleck said.

The offense on display was so discombobulated and unimaginative that it should be shipped back to the Stone Age. Coordinator Mike Sanford's play-calling showed zero trust in anything other than runs up in the middle.

If this is all Sanford's doing — putting together a plan less creative than hot dish — and not a directive from Fleck, then give co-offensive coordinator Matt Simon a shot at play-calling.

The execution of that humdrum game plan was equally bad. The veteran offensive line — recipient of considerable hype and praise — whiffed repeatedly against Bowling Green's blitzes. Tanner Morgan had his worst performance in a Gophers uniform. And the receivers had trouble getting open down the field.

The Fleck/Sanford scheme is predicated on power running, but the lack of balance makes it absurdly predictable. They either hate to pass or don't trust the passing game, and neither one of those is good.

Second quarter, Fleck opted to go for it on fourth-and-1 from his own 29. I didn't necessarily mind the gamble, but Sanford called a slow-developing run play that lost 5 yards. Bowling Green turned that gift into a touchdown.

Third quarter, the Gophers faced third-and-6 at the Bowling Green 33. Sanford called a run that lost a yard. Fleck then sent out kicker Matthew Trickett, who missed a 52-yard field goal.

Strange.

Fourth quarter, the Gophers trailed 14-10 when they started a drive at their 8 with 7:35 left. They proceeded to operate with the urgency of a sloth. So methodical in getting plays signaled in and then snapping the ball that you'd thought they had a 10-point lead.

That drive went nowhere, but afforded two more chances, Morgan ended their final two possessions after one play by throwing consecutive interceptions.

"You talk about being the reason at the quarterback position," Morgan said. "Today I was the opposite of the reason. It's 100 percent on me."

His stat line looked more like a freshman making his first start than a fourth-year starter: 5-of-13 passing for 59 yards with two interceptions and lost fumble.

Morgan's regression from 2019 is significant. Fleck brushed aside a question about whether he will consider a change at that position.

"You could talk about that at every position because I don't think anybody played well," he said.

Or coached well.

Put those two together, and this is the result. Another signature Gophers loss.
 

Our coaches consistently make Tanner Morgan look over to the sidelines, multiple times, as the play clock is winding down. Then they change the play, and Morgan has to frantically change the play at the line, and the ball is snapped, at the last second. This happens way too often. This is not putting Morgan in a position to succeed. This is what you do, when you have a very young QB, not a Senior QB.
It takes a lot of time to decide to run up the 1-hole, or 2-hole.
 

Scoggins -- you can say it's a troll article, fine, but I think he simply his a lot of true points


Typical Gophers.

This is what they do, who they are. The football equivalent of a buzzkill.

Pitch a shutout in an impressive road win one week, look totally unprepared in producing one of the most inexcusable losses in program history the next week.

And P.J. Fleck wonders why a large metropolis looks down at his program with such negativity and skepticism. Because of days like Saturday, a Homecoming horror show of the highest order.

This latest embarrassment belongs entirely to Fleck. All of it. The stain of a 14-10 loss to Bowling Green can't be scrubbed away with catchphrases.

The Gophers suffered defeat as 31-point favorites, making it one of the 20 biggest upsets in college football in several decades based on point spread.

Bowling Green had lost 10 consecutive games to FBS opponents. The Falcons roster features 71 players who graduated high school in either 2020 or 2021, making them one of the youngest teams in the nation.

None of that mattered one iota. They were the better team in every facet. Coaching. Offense. Defense. Special teams.

"Every single thing that happened out there on that field falls on me," said Fleck, who is now 0-17 when trailing at halftime.

What a damning stat. Not once in 17 tries has Fleck turned a halftime deficit into victory. Not even a 7-3 deficit to Bowling Green. Nope, that mountain was too high to conquer.

A head coach is responsible for his team's preparedness and game management, and Fleck flunked both areas Saturday.

His team committed dumb penalties. The offense was … it's hard to even describe that mess. Special teams turned back into a pumpkin. And weird clock management and play-calling put the cherry on top.

"I'm not sure what football team was out there," Fleck said.

The offense on display was so discombobulated and unimaginative that it should be shipped back to the Stone Age. Coordinator Mike Sanford's play-calling showed zero trust in anything other than runs up in the middle.

If this is all Sanford's doing — putting together a plan less creative than hot dish — and not a directive from Fleck, then give co-offensive coordinator Matt Simon a shot at play-calling.

The execution of that humdrum game plan was equally bad. The veteran offensive line — recipient of considerable hype and praise — whiffed repeatedly against Bowling Green's blitzes. Tanner Morgan had his worst performance in a Gophers uniform. And the receivers had trouble getting open down the field.

The Fleck/Sanford scheme is predicated on power running, but the lack of balance makes it absurdly predictable. They either hate to pass or don't trust the passing game, and neither one of those is good.

Second quarter, Fleck opted to go for it on fourth-and-1 from his own 29. I didn't necessarily mind the gamble, but Sanford called a slow-developing run play that lost 5 yards. Bowling Green turned that gift into a touchdown.

Third quarter, the Gophers faced third-and-6 at the Bowling Green 33. Sanford called a run that lost a yard. Fleck then sent out kicker Matthew Trickett, who missed a 52-yard field goal.

Strange.

Fourth quarter, the Gophers trailed 14-10 when they started a drive at their 8 with 7:35 left. They proceeded to operate with the urgency of a sloth. So methodical in getting plays signaled in and then snapping the ball that you'd thought they had a 10-point lead.

That drive went nowhere, but afforded two more chances, Morgan ended their final two possessions after one play by throwing consecutive interceptions.

"You talk about being the reason at the quarterback position," Morgan said. "Today I was the opposite of the reason. It's 100 percent on me."

His stat line looked more like a freshman making his first start than a fourth-year starter: 5-of-13 passing for 59 yards with two interceptions and lost fumble.

Morgan's regression from 2019 is significant. Fleck brushed aside a question about whether he will consider a change at that position.

"You could talk about that at every position because I don't think anybody played well," he said.

Or coached well.

Put those two together, and this is the result. Another signature Gophers loss.
Chip is never wrong when it comes to Gopher football.
 

I don't think 2019 was a fluke. I think people tend to gloss over the incredible run of back up QB's they faced that year. A school could play for a hundred years and never be that fortunate. So, it's not a fluke because they SHOULD have won those games. Had some of those teams had their QB1, it might not have been quite the same season. For example, Purdue lost their starting QB AND Rondale Moore on the same play. Yet, they still had a chance to win the game.
The fluke is what you point out.
 

Scoggins -- you can say it's a troll article, fine, but I think he simply his a lot of true points

"Every single thing that happened out there on that field falls on me," said Fleck, who is now 0-17 when trailing at halftime.

What a damning stat. Not once in 17 tries has Fleck turned a halftime deficit into victory. Not even a 7-3 deficit to Bowling Green. Nope, that mountain was too high to conquer.

No kidding! Even Pitino, justifiably maligned for his poor half time adjustments, won 6 games over his last two years (both losing seasons) where the Gophers trailed at the half. The fact that Fleck hasn't won a single one of those is striking.
 

2019:

The first four games: we could've very easily been 0-4. Very easily. As was mentioned, Purdon't on the road loses their two most important offensive players, and still was able to bring it back to within 1 TD. First three games, we easily could've lost all, but pulled all out.

The next four (Ill, Neb, Rutgers, Maryland): the only away game was Rutgers, which was a free win. The Maryland team we faced at home will have been the worst we've seen in the six year run of having to face them (and was at home). Ill was terrible and at home. Neb terrible, Frost year 2, and at home.

Gave the perfect 8-0 run-up to the Penn St game -- at home. We pulled out that win. Best win for the program in a very long time. Etc. We all know the great story.

Final four games (Iowa, NW, Wisc, bowl game Auburn):
Iowa was what it was. We know that. Then NW, coming off Big Ten West title in 2018, had no QB and we caught them perfectly for a road game win. Wisc was what it was, we know that. Then the Auburn game, they were way overhyped, Simon called a great offensive game plan, we played great, won.



Fluke may or may not be appropriate, when we look back 5-10 years from now. But by god, we had almost the perfect setup.
 

Contrast with 2021:

This time, they took what is essentially the equivalent of the 2019 Penn St game, and stuck it as the first game of the year. Instead of pulling out the win, we lose, but lose I think respectably and competitively.

Next three (Miami OH, Colo, BG): this exactly like the first three from 2019. Instead of almost losing at Fresno, we go to Boulder and whip a team with a lot of problems. Losing to BG could've easily been like losing to Georgia Southern if that had happened.

Next five (Purdue, Neb, Mary, NW, Ill): three home games, two away at Purdon't and at NW. This should be similar to the second four from 2019. Seems like an idea setup of teams we "should" beat, given their situation. NW is earily similar to 2019, no QB. ILL down. Neb looks marginally better but still way down from their glory years. Not sure what will happen with Pur and Mary.

Final three (Iowa, IU, Wisc): we will see. IU looks down, but obviously going there won't be like going to Rutgers in 2019.
 

If we can run these next five ... and manage to beat one of Iowa or Wisc, then 10-2 is still on the table.

It's going to take a serious gut-check and a serious change on offense.
 

Our coaches consistently make Tanner Morgan look over to the sidelines, multiple times, as the play clock is winding down. Then they change the play, and Morgan has to frantically change the play at the line, and the ball is snapped, at the last second. This happens way too often. This is not putting Morgan in a position to succeed. This is what you do, when you have a very young QB, not a Senior QB.
I'm not saying I like this trend in college football, but you see this exact way of play calling with some of the best offenses/QBs in college football. It is difficult to watch, but it's not a Gopher thing.
 




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