All Things 2024-25 Vikings Regular Season Thread

I literally laughed out loud when I heard we had signed Darnold as our bridge QB. I can own that.

I have no idea if the glass slipper eventually falls off but what he's doing this year is some pretty amazing shit.

If Stafford retires as most believe he will, I would expect the Rams to make a strong push for Darnold.

How we approach the QB position in the offseason should be fascinating, especially what KOC's thoughts are on it.
Yep.

I trust KOC on this. Whatever he decides to do, I'll roll with (in my book he's earned some capital). That includes if he shocked everyone and says we have signed Darnold for 3 years at $100M and we just traded JJ McCarthy for a late first round pick (not sure if we could get that considering his injury and a lost year of service).
 

as we contemplate the QB options - let's not forget Daniel Jones.

If O'Connell and the Vikes' coaches can make Sam Darnold look this good, I have to think that they could do something similar with Jones.

so, one option would be to let Darnold walk - go into next season planning for McCarthy to start, but sign Jones to a 1-year, $10-million type of deal to be the backup. If McCarthy is good, no problem. If McCarthy struggles, then you have Jones on a reasonable deal to step in.

I don't want to see the Vikes blow a lot of their cap room on some big deal for Darnold. this system makes QB's look good. assuming McCarthy has no health issues, I think he can be just as good as Darnold.
 

I literally laughed out loud when I heard we had signed Darnold as our bridge QB. I can own that.

I have no idea if the glass slipper eventually falls off but what he's doing this year is some pretty amazing shit.

If Stafford retires as most believe he will, I would expect the Rams to make a strong push for Darnold.

How we approach the QB position in the offseason should be fascinating, especially what KOC's thoughts are on it.
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Yep.

I trust KOC on this. Whatever he decides to do, I'll roll with (in my book he's earned some capital). That includes if he shocked everyone and says we have signed Darnold for 3 years at $100M and we just traded JJ McCarthy for a late first round pick (not sure if we could get that considering his injury and a lost year of service).
They flashed these stats (see below) on NFL Live today which shows how great a fit Darnold is fit the offense with the cannon & athleticism he has for throwing downfield. These are where he ranks on passes 10+ yards downfield (Yes, he had 5 TDs instead of 4).

If we make any kind of run in the playoffs, then it becomes a conversation on whether to pursue Darnold. It also depends on what the $$ is go him and what types of teams would want to pursue him. I don’t see him going to a team that’s not a legit playoff team; he know has a taste of winning and that counts for a lot for a competitor, if you’ve never played on a crappy team, it’s hard to understand how much it means to be on a winning team. I played on some horrible losing teams and it suxed - can’t imagine how much worse thst would be as a pro.

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The Lions will win, but Dan Campell is an idiot. You can't go for it on 4th down when a FG wins the game. His idiocy will prevent them from winning the Super Bowl.
Offense is their strength, I love playing for the definite win.
 

I can fix a pull hook right on the golf course. A shank requires a trip to the clubhouse bar.
Pull hooks frighten me, as it puts golfers in an adjoining hole in severe jeopardy.
 


I played on some horrible losing teams and it suxed - can’t imagine how much worse thst would be as a pro.

I think the extra 20 to 40 million dollars makes losing not that bad.

Do you think Cousins would forfeit his $100 million guarantee to be in Darnolds place?
 

Pull hooks frighten me, as it puts golfers in an adjoining hole in severe jeopardy.
The best lie I can usually hope for is the adjacent fairway...
 


The only way retaining Darnold is even a discussion is if they at least make the Super Bowl. They built this entire plan on having a QB they pay around $10 million for and spending the $$ saved elsewhere. Giving Darnold 3/$100 puts them right back where they were with Kirk Cousins. Non-starter really. But if they win the Super Bowl they might not have a choice.
They will win SB with Darnold and then win SB next year with Jones and get the third with JJ McCarthy...

The Purple Koolaid tastes great.
😍😍😍
 
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I think the extra 20 to 40 million dollars makes losing not that bad.

Do you think Cousins would forfeit his $100 million guarantee to be in Darnolds place?
Never said that, but this is the first time Sam has played (on the field, not as a backup) in his career with a team like this and you only need so much money to live a comfortable live style, when you get to a certain level; a bigger 💼 might not make you happier- a common belief is that money will solve their problems/make them happier. There’s some studies that show it doesn’t and some that it does.In my experience,

I’ve found more peace in not making as much money. Americans live to work, whereas much of the rest of the world work to live, from my experience based on knowing people from different countries/cultures via business and personal relationships.
 
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Never said that, but this is the first time Sam has played (on the field, not as a backup) in his career with a team like this and you only need so much money to live a comfortable live style, when you get to a certain level; a bigger 💼 might not make you happier- a common belief is that money will solve their problems/make them happier. There’s some studies that show it doesn’t and some that it does.In my experience,

I’ve found more peace in not making as much money. Americans live to work, whereas much of the rest of the world work to live, from my experience based on knowing people from different countries/cultures via business and personal relationships.

I don't really think it's going to be about money for Darnold anyway; I would think more critical would be the chance to be the full time starter, on a team with a decent roster. Problem is, that team may not be out there for him next March.
 

Never said that, but this is the first time Sam has played (on the field, not as a backup) in his career with a team like this and you only need so much money to live a comfortable live style, when you get to a certain level; a bigger 💼 might not make you happier- a common belief is that money will solve their problems/make them happier. There’s some studies that show it doesn’t and some that it does.In my experience,

I’ve found more peace in not making as much money. Americans live to work, whereas much of the rest of the world work to live, from my experience based on knowing people from different countries/cultures via business and personal relationships.
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it does buy freedom, especially freedom from worry. Also, professional athletes generally have big egos. If there’s another qb making $30M and you have comparable numbers, you want the validation of a comparable contract.
 

Darnold will replace Matthew Stafford as the Rams QB next year. Sean McVay is no KOC, but he does his best. :cool:
 



Money doesn’t buy happiness but it does buy freedom, especially freedom from worry.
Thanks for sharing your opinion and/or experience: obviously that’s not mine experience, as I focused my post on that and what may be a driving motivation for Darnold, whose in a different income bracket than me and likely you😉.

It seems he ⬇️ also has had a different experience regarding a bigger 💼 of 💰 -

Also, professional athletes generally have big egos.
Going through the travails he has earlier in his career, may have given him a different perspective; it’s been helpful in downsizing my large ego. I have found, that I have learned more from set backs in my life, than successes. Again, I only speak from my experience and cannot speak for yours or Darnold’s, of course.

Remember, it’s a good day to have a Great Day😃


If there’s another qb making $30M and you have comparable numbers, you want the validation of a comparable contract.
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I don't really think it's going to be about money for Darnold anyway; I would think more critical would be the chance to be the full time starter, on a team with a decent roster. Problem is, that team may not be out there for him next March.
My premise, from my original post on the subject was this -

If we make any kind of run in the playoffs, then it becomes a conversation on whether to pursue Darnold.

To further clarify, the type of run which illicit that conversation for me, would be the NFC Championship - if we make it thst far, then I would pursue Darnold to be our QB for the next 3 seasons, as he’s grown into the third pick of the first round and reached his potential.

I fully realize this would screw up the plans for McCarthy, but a Pro Bowl QB, which he will be barring a colossal collapse, leading us to a game aw from the SB, is what you’re hoping McCarthy will eventually become, ergo, a Darnold in the hand is with two McCarthy’s holding a 📋.

Life throws curveballs all the time. Do then you change the plan to fit the new parameters.

It’s absurd to even have this type of dialogue, but a fringe MVP candidate signed for $10M, per The Athletic’s analysis (in the second tier, behind Goff, Barkley and Henry) , will do that to you.

How about a 35-3 drubbing next Monday night 😃, after the Bills declaration the 🐈‍⬛ on Sunday?
 
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I would be surprised if JJ McCarthy and Daniel Jones are not the top 2 QBs next year.

This feels a lot like the 2017 season. Case Keenum jumped up and had a career year, they made the NFC championship, yet the Vikings had no issue letting him walk after the season. And that was without spending a top 10 pick on a QB. JJ is the future starting next season.
 

Sunday was the First Time in Viking History, that two receivers went over 100 yards and had Two TDs each🤯

That was in this excellent article about how KOC impacts the team in myriad ways -

 

Sunday was the First Time in Viking History, that two receivers went over 100 yards and had Two TDs each🤯

That was in this excellent article about how KOC impacts the team in myriad ways -

I think we are very, very fortunate to have KOC. Could be another Bud Grant in terms of tenure. Hope he can win a SB in my lifetime.
 

Before this last weekend slate of games, I'd heard on a pod from one of those outlets that tracks a shitload of parameters while grading "luck"; as in which teams are most lucky and least lucky.

Not surprising, the Chiefs were the #1 rated team in terms of luck... and the Vikings were #2.... Hmmmm... I guess they've been fortunate to some extent but #2?
I would have put the Lions on the luck-o-meter.
 

Thanks for sharing your opinion and/or experience: obviously that’s not mine experience, as I focused my post on that and what may be a driving motivation for Darnold, whose in a different income bracket than me and likely you😉.

It seems he ⬇️ also has had a different experience regarding a bigger 💼 of 💰 -


Going through the travails he has earlier in his career, may have given him a different perspective; it’s been helpful in downsizing my large ego. I have found, that I have learned more from set backs in my life, than successes. Again, I only speak from my experience and cannot speak for yours or Darnold’s, of course.

Remember, it’s a good day to have a Great Day😃


If there’s another qb making $30M and you have comparable numbers, you want the validation of a comparable contract.
🤷‍♂️
It can also be argued that Sam's attitude is that his performance this year proves how good he really is, so it's time to get paid. Also, I'm sure he's very happy to be a Viking. I'm equally sure that he's tired of hearing that the reason he's producing is because of KOC. Guys who lack confidence don't make it to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, etc. All the athletes who make it to that level have some Coach Prime in them, even if they don't act like him.

I'm sure Darnold wants to be in a good situation next year and that might mean a small discount. However, I don't think he's going to take $10-15M if his market value is $30M.
 

I think we are very, very fortunate to have KOC. Could be another Bud Grant in terms of tenure. Hope he can win a SB in my lifetime.
💯

He gets it on so many levels and glass all the qualities you want in a leader.
 

It can also be argued that Sam's attitude is that his performance this year proves how good he really is, so it's time to get paid. Also, I'm sure he's very happy to be a Viking. I'm equally sure that he's tired of hearing that the reason he's producing is because of KOC. Guys who lack confidence don't make it to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, etc. All the athletes who make it to that level have some Coach Prime in them, even if they don't act like him.

I'm sure Darnold wants to be in a good situation next year and that might mean a small discount. However, I don't think he's going to take $10-15M if his market value is $30M.
Interesting
 

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My premise, from my original post on the subject was this -

If we make any kind of run in the playoffs, then it becomes a conversation on whether to pursue Darnold.

To further clarify, the type of run which illicit that conversation for me, would be the NFC Championship - if we make it thst far, then I would pursue Darnold to be our QB for the next 3 seasons, as he’s grown into the third pick of the first round and reached his potential.

I fully realize this would screw up the plans for McCarthy, but a Pro Bowl QB, which he will be barring a colossal collapse, leading us to a game aw from the SB, is what you’re hoping McCarthy will eventually become, ergo, a Darnold in the hand is with two McCarthy’s holding a 📋.

Life throws curveballs all the time. Do then you change the plan to fit the new parameters.

It’s absurd to even have this type of dialogue, but a fringe MVP candidate signed for $10M, per The Athletic’s analysis (in the second tier, behind Goff, Barkley and Henry) , will do that to you.

How about a 35-3 drubbing next Monday night 😃, after the Bills declaration the 🐈‍⬛ on Sunday?
PTI had this as a featured topic today
Yippee - Love the Chaos
 


It’s stupid. Winning your division should guarantee getting into the playoffs but shouldn’t guarantee you a top 4 seed.
I disagree. Putting more emphasis winning the Division creates more drama and value into the final couple of weeks of the Regular Season. Smart move to also make the Week 18 entirely intra-Division games as well as most of the next to last week.

It's also possible that the 2nd Place WC has a better Overall record than another Division Winner because the other 2 teams in their own division are weak, or the AFC & NFC Division they matched up with stink.

Part of the Lions-Vikings-Packers gaudy records are because they have just been thrashing the AFC South, which sucks. 12-0.

I wouldn't be against re-seeding the 2nd Round based on Overall record, but leaving As Is is also just fine.
 

Could we get a top 15 draft pick for McCarthy in 2025 draft? It's a bad QB class, we might get that or more...
Maybe, I honestly don’t know a ton about the class, what free agents will be available and how many teams will be looking for a QB.

All I know is I have actual confidence regarding our QB not messing it up for us; I thought the glass sneaker might fall off in the second half of the season, but he’s getting better with more reps/games and confident. Screw them 🦁
 

I disagree. Putting more emphasis winning the Division creates more drama and value into the final couple of weeks of the Regular Season. Smart move to also make the Week 18 entirely intra-Division games as well as most of the next to last week.

It's also possible that the 2nd Place WC has a better Overall record than another Division Winner because the other 2 teams in their own division are weak, or the AFC & NFC Division they matched up with stink.

Part of the Lions-Vikings-Packers gaudy records are because they have just been thrashing the AFC South, which sucks. 12-0.

I wouldn't be against re-seeding the 2nd Round based on Overall record, but leaving As Is is also just fine.
There would still be a lot of drama. Teams in the NFC West and South likely only get in by winning their division.

It’s just weird to me how much value is put into winning a division of 4 teams while only 35% of your games are against your division.
 

I disagree. Putting more emphasis winning the Division creates more drama and value into the final couple of weeks of the Regular Season. Smart move to also make the Week 18 entirely intra-Division games as well as most of the next to last week.

I agree, except that this year I have season long prop bets on both the Raiders and the Bears Losing all of their division games. The Raiders, I feel pretty good about; 0-5 and a final game at home against the Chargers to close things out. The Bears? The Bears could f*ck up and win one of these final 3 games they have, AT Minnesota, Home Detroit, AT Green Bay

Maybe, I honestly don’t know a ton about the class, what free agents will be available and how many teams will be looking for a QB.
All I know is I have actual confidence regarding our QB not messing it up for us; I thought the glass sneaker might fall off in the second half of the season, but he’s getting better with more reps/games and confident. Screw them 🦁

This is going to be one interesting offseason for the Vikings, one that will probably set the course for the franchise moving forward for a while. The beauty is, none of us REALLY know what the powers that be think about JJ McCarthy, Sam Darnold, or even Daniel Jones; or more importantly, what they will be thinking of those three next March.

One thing I do know is, they really have no clue what kind of pro JJ McCarthy is going to be. Zero. Can't wait to see what the QB roster looks like come next August 1.
 

I agree, except that this year I have season long prop bets on both the Raiders and the Bears Losing all of their division games. The Raiders, I feel pretty good about; 0-5 and a final game at home against the Chargers to close things out. The Bears? The Bears could f*ck up and win one of these final 3 games they have, AT Minnesota, Home Detroit, AT Green Bay
The Bears might get a bump with the Interim coach though early indications from the 49ers game has to be encouraging for your action.

Having just gotten back from Vegas, not much faith from the locals about the Raiders. More apathy than angst, was the impression I got.
 

There would still be a lot of drama. Teams in the NFC West and South likely only get in by winning their division.

It’s just weird to me how much value is put into winning a division of 4 teams while only 35% of your games are against your division.
However, it would be better for the NFL to also have drama in the NFC North.

In the NFL plenty is never enough.
 




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