All Things 2024-25 Minnesota Twins Off-Season Thread

Yankees prospects are usually the most overrated prospects in MLB.
I have zero clue if this is actually true but it sure would explain their endless cache of prospects needed to trade for top established players.

Of course, another explanation could be they have the most talented Scouting Department in baseball.

I'll leave that discussion to the diehards on here that know far more about that side of baseball than I ever will.
 

Yankees prospects are usually the most overrated prospects in MiLB.
No clue if that is applicable with these three specific prospects. While it may have been true previously, absolutes are rarely correct, in my experience and also a horrible vodka.

I wouldn't touch them with a 39 1/2 foot pole.
Falvey has informed me, they’re out of that size, but the 40 footers are ready to roll
 
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If the Pohlad's are smart they will not trade Correa. Their goodwill with the fans is already negative. If they trade Correa for prospects they are in full rebuild mode and fan interest/ticket sales/eyeballs for their new TV platform will be awful. Not a great way to build up the value of the team you're trying to sell.
 

If the Pohlad's are smart they will not trade Correa. Their goodwill with the fans is already negative. If they trade Correa for prospects they are in full rebuild mode and fan interest/ticket sales/eyeballs for their new TV platform will be awful. Not a great way to build up the value of the team you're trying to sell.
Depends on the prospects. Again it worked out in the long run getting Guzman & Milton (plus a couple of others) for Knoblauch.

They would have to at least consider an offer, if there is a legit one even to begin with, especially if they feel Lee is viable at SS going forward.

2 seasons in a row Correa's season has been curtailed by injury, which I am sure though is also impacting his trade value. He's not going to get more durable in the future.

If it's just a salary dump, then I would agree with you.
 


Depends on the prospects. Again it worked out in the long run getting Guzman & Milton (plus a couple of others) for Knoblauch.

They would have to at least consider an offer, if there is a legit one even to begin with, especially if they feel Lee is viable at SS going forward.
Falvey has always said he listens to offers; he specifically went out of his way to mention Correra; is this his 🦇 signal?

The Yankees are really in a bind now by letting Soto walk from the Bronx to Queens for only ~$4.5M a year. They have to make a splash to not let the Mets leapfrog them in NYC fandom. They’re apparently not chasing Bregman and Arenado is 33 vs. 30, for Correra.

So 🤷‍♂️




2 seasons in a row Correa's season has been curtailed by injury, which I am sure though is also impacting his trade value. He's not going to get more durable in the future.

If it's just a salary dump, then I would agree with you.
 
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yeah - no matter how much Boras wants to yell about "the orthopedic industry," there was something in Correa's medical reports that caused two different teams to say "no" to a big-money, long-term contract.

couple that with back-to-back seasons seeing multiple games lost to foot problems, and I have to think that Correa's value has taken a hit.

having said that - if some team is crazy enough to offer the Twins 3 or 4 really top prospects for Correa or Pablo, the Twins have to take a serious look at it.
 

ESPN Off-Season Power Rankings:

20. Minnesota Twins

Final 2024 ranking: 14
Way-too-early 2025 ranking: 15

The Twins are stuck in payroll purgatory, unwilling to increase that figure but hamstrung in part by Carlos Correa's big salary ($37 million). So the 2025 Twins are going to look a lot like the 2024 Twins. That's still a club that could win the division if Cleveland comes back to the pack, but Minnesota will need better health from its big three (Correa, Royce Lewis, Byron Buxton) and better results against good teams (the Twins were a combined 3-22 against the Guardians, Yankees and Orioles). -- Schoenfield

Win Twins!!
 

Depends on the prospects. Again it worked out in the long run getting Guzman & Milton (plus a couple of others) for Knoblauch.

They would have to at least consider an offer, if there is a legit one even to begin with, especially if they feel Lee is viable at SS going forward.

2 seasons in a row Correa's season has been curtailed by injury, which I am sure though is also impacting his trade value. He's not going to get more durable in the future.

If it's just a salary dump, then I would agree with you.
It can be a good trade long-term by prospect ranking and still be a bad trade for this team at this time. They are near an all-time high in fan apathy and disgust with ownership at a time when the sport is slowly dying, they are trying to launch a new TV venture and trying to sell the team. It's the wrong time to dump your star player for some prospects who might make you better in 2028.
 



It can be a good trade long-term by prospect ranking and still be a bad trade for this team at this time. They are near an all-time high in fan apathy and disgust with ownership at a time when the sport is slowly dying, they are trying to launch a new TV venture and trying to sell the team. It's the wrong time to dump your star player for some prospects who might make you better in 2028.
I concede all of that is possible to likely probable.

I also don't know if keeping Correa stops any of that downward momentum.
 

I concede all of that is possible to likely probable.

I also don't know if keeping Correa stops any of that downward momentum.
I agree that keeping Correa might not stop the momentum of apathy...but trading him could further it along more expeditiously.

A very worthy debate scenario for sure.
 

ESPN ranked the top 10 Starting Rotations in MLB

and at #7 we have.............the MN Twins:

Rotation index: 106.7

Ranks -- Stars: 4 | Depth: 12 | Length: 20 | Dominance: 4

Top 6: 1. Pablo Lopez (Rating: 115), 2. Bailey Ober (111), 3. Joe Ryan (116), 4. Simeon Woods Richardson (97), 5. Zebby Matthews (103), 6. David Festa (105)

The Twins' pitching program is a good one. Its status in this group would be harmed if rumors about a potential trade of Lopez were to come to fruition, but part of having a good pitching program is having the ability to come up with worthy replacements. Still, can't a team that currently projects to win the AL Central hang on to its ace?

Ober's emergence is an example of Minnesota's prowess in this area. A 12th-round draft pick out of the College of Charleston, Ober rose slowly but steadily through the Twins' system. He reached the majors in 2021, making 20 starts but getting to just 92⅓ innings despite decent results.

He has since ramped up the innings annually without a hit to his per-rata numbers which have gotten better. Last season, Ober reached 178⅔ frames with a career-best 26.9% strikeout rate.

The Twins will now try to replicate that pattern as Richardson, Festa, Matthews, Louie Varland and others continue to progress.


(if you're wondering - the top rotations were
1. Seattle
2. Phillies
3. Braves
4. Dodgers
5. Yankees
6. D-Backs
7. Twins
8. Rangers
9. Astros
10. Cubs
 

I concede all of that is possible to likely probable.

I also don't know if keeping Correa stops any of that downward momentum.
It doesn't by itself. But a bounce back winning season and getting the team sold would. Trading him makes the first one very unlikely.
 



It doesn't by itself. But a bounce back winning season and getting the team sold would. Trading him makes the first one very unlikely.
If Correa breaks down again, it also isn't very likely either.

Again, it depends on what they would be getting back and their confidence that Lee can be a productive everyday SS.

I'm not advocating that they deal him. But his trade value will likely never be higher. It at least has to be considered.

If they the fanbase stays away from Target Field there's always my fall back plan:

- $2 hot dogs
- $5 domestic beer / $6 premium

Doesn't help trying to build a streaming base. No answers for that.
 

It can be a good trade long-term by prospect ranking and still be a bad trade for this team at this time. They are near an all-time high in fan apathy
Near an all l-time high? How are you quantifying this so it’s objective (facts) vs. subjective (opinion)?

I’m using attendance, as that’s a data point which can be readily compared against years; the benchmark being used is 1M season attendance - while this may seem artificially low at this juncture, the points I’m making will hopefully elucidate its value.

The team has won 3 of the last 6 division titles and broke the playoff losing streak and won a series in 2023, so two seasons ago; they almost drew 2M people last two seasons, and last season had just slightly less than the aforementioned 2023 season (1,951,616 vs. 1,974.124).

Now in you want to discuss some Real Apathy Sherman, you need to step into the WaybackMachine with Mr. Peabody (amazing cartoon from my youth) and me and take a trip to 1995-2000 & the early 80s.

Starting with the 95 (after the good vibes from ‘91 WS were in the rearview, attendance pummeled; we were dead last in AL attendance 4 times and twice barely drew 1M fans: 1995 & 2000. In 2001, is when the Twins were voted to be contracted.

From 1980-1983, we drew well under 1M fans and in two those seasons, the average per game attendance was under 10K in 1980 & 81. We weren’t competitive on last in AL attendance 3 out of those 4 years.
Those were the days when you knew if you were really a fan.

There were also those types of levels in the early 70s, as well.

I’m not sure how old you are, but were you a fan when they almost were contracted, in the early 80s? I count my fandom from then, as I was a middle schooler and had more sports awareness than I did as a grade schooler.

One bonus in getting older is that my perspective has increased; not because I’m smarter, you young whipper snapper, but because I’ve simply got more tread on my tires; wisdom is earned, not learned - as a mentor likes to remind me.

All data in my post is curtesy of baseball reference -


and disgust with ownership at a time when the sport is slowly dying, they are trying to launch a new TV venture and trying to sell the team. It's the wrong time to dump your star player for some prospects who might make you better in 2028.
 
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Near an all l-time high? How are you quantifying this so it’s objective (facts) vs. subjective (opinion)?

I’m using attendance, as that’s a data point which can be readily compared against years; the benchmark being used is 1M season attendance - while this may seem artificially low at this juncture, the points I’m making will hopefully elucidate its value.

The team has won 3 of the last 6 division titles and broke the playoff losing streak and won a series in 2023, so two seasons ago; they almost drew 2M people last two seasons, and last season had just slightly less than the aforementioned 2023 season (1,951,616 vs. 1,974.124).

Now in you want to discuss some Real Apathy Sherman, you need to step into the WaybackMachine with Mr. Peabody (amazing cartoon from my youth) and me and take a trip to 1995-2000 & the early 80s.

Starting with the 95 (after the good vibes from ‘91 WS were in the rearview, attendance pummeled; we were dead last in AL attendance 4 times and twice barely drew 1M fans: 1995 & 2000. In 2001, is when the Twins were voted to be contracted.

From 1980-1983, we drew well under 1M fans and in two those seasons, the average per game attendance was under 10K in 1980 & 81. We weren’t competitive on last in AL attendance 3 out of those 4 years.
Those were the days when you knew if you were really a fan.

There were also those types of levels in the early 70s, as well.

I’m not sure how old you are, but were you a fan when they almost were contracted, in the early 80s? I count my fandom from then, as I was a middle schooler and had more sports awareness than I did as a grade schooler.

One bonus in getting older is that my perspective has increased; not because I’m smarter, you young whipper snapper, but because I’ve simply got more tread on my tires; wisdom is earned, not learned - as a mentor likes to remind me.

All data in my post is curtesy of baseball reference -

Attendance always lags for a year, so they'll feel the effect of last season's decisions this year.

Still it's probably fair to say not an all time high. But a high of the Target Field era. Attendence at Target Field will never drop to the worst years at the Dome just because it's still a beautiful stadium and you can sit outside and drink.

Still, combined with baseball being in bad shape though, it might be the most perilous position they've been in outside of contraction.

If they go full rebuild, the games aren't on TV, attendance plummets, the sale of the team falls through and THEN there's a long lockout, how do they recover from that?
 

Hey - I am not going to pretend that everything is rosy. It's not. and I'm disappointed. but I will still watch or listen to the games and follow the Twins, because I have since I was 9 years old. the Twins are part of my life.

for me, part of the charm of baseball is that every season presents a new opportunity. you never know when or if you're going to see a pitching gem - a big day for a hitter - a rookie emerge or a veteran recapture former glories. even in the middle of a bad season, there can still be bright moments. that is what I choose to focus on.

If it makes some people feel better (for whatever reason) to come on here proclaiming that "The Pohlads Suck - The Twins Suck" - that is their privilege. I will not be joining them.
 

for me, part of the charm of baseball is that every season presents a new opportunity. you never know when or if you're going to see a pitching gem - a big day for a hitter - a rookie emerge or a veteran recapture former glories.
I respect all of this for sure...but couldn't you still experience all of these personal baseball treasures if we had a hard Salary Cap and competent Team Owner that paid for better talent?

Loyal, "salt of the Earth" fans like you that romanticize the sport will not be enough to save MLB (or the Twins) if the game continues moving in its current direction, especially with Manfred at the helm.

Wanting your team to be more financially vested in the product does not make people like me lesser of a fan than the nostalgic advocates of the game. Just my opinion.
 

I respect all of this for sure...but couldn't you still experience all of these personal baseball treasures if we had a hard Salary Cap and competent Team Owner that paid for better talent?

Loyal, "salt of the Earth" fans like you that romanticize the sport will not be enough to save MLB (or the Twins) if the game continues moving in its current direction, especially with Manfred at the helm.

Wanting your team to be more financially vested in the product does not make people like me lesser of a fan than the nostalgic advocates of the game. Just my opinion.
Coon Rapids Commie.

You need to forfeit your Mike Kingery Rookie Card forthwith.
 


Hey - I am not going to pretend that everything is rosy. It's not. and I'm disappointed. but I will still watch or listen to the games and follow the Twins, because I have since I was 9 years old. the Twins are part of my life.

for me, part of the charm of baseball is that every season presents a new opportunity. you never know when or if you're going to see a pitching gem - a big day for a hitter - a rookie emerge or a veteran recapture former glories. even in the middle of a bad season, there can still be bright moments. that is what I choose to focus on.

If it makes some people feel better (for whatever reason) to come on here proclaiming that "The Pohlads Suck - The Twins Suck" - that is their privilege. I will not be joining them.
Great post; you’re a true baseball fan - that’s the highest compliment I can bestow.

Illogical optimism is part of baseball’s charm. I remember that this year would be the year and viola, it was in 87 & 91, when no one expected it. It was magical. Give me those two over 26 Yankees championships.

Some of my favorite Twins were the players in the challenging periods. I revere: Willie Norwood, Bombo Rivers & Disco Danny Ford amongst others - not great players at all, but they tried and that meant I could stay loyal to my club.

When they were raking, we were all raking😃.
 

Attendance always lags for a year, so they'll feel the effect of last season's decisions this year.

Still it's probably fair to say not an all time high. But a high of the Target Field era. Attendence at Target Field will never drop to the worst years at the Dome just because it's still a beautiful stadium and you can sit outside and drink.
True.
Still, combined with baseball being in bad shape though, it might be the most perilous position they've been in outside of contraction.

If they go full rebuild, the games aren't on TV, attendance plummets, the sale of the team falls through and THEN there's a long lockout, how do they recover from that?
That’s a 5 leg parlay; there’s a greater probability that only one/some of those occur, than all five of them.

Correra is a great player who’s now 30, and the older you are the less likely chronic injuries will improve. I would trade him, as he’s likely got 2-3 more years at this level of production before it dips and don’t be a key gog for the next run🤞, with Kessler, Rodriguez etc…get more talent/depth/assets

I wouldn’t trade Lopez, as it’s much harder to find a top of the rotation pitcher whose durable and affordable.

I think the TV situation will be resolved.

Baseball will need to continue to evolve; the excellent pitch clock was a massive leap forward, for a sport which bristles at change.

Can’t wait for pitchers and catchers. Imagine Festa with a legit off speed pitch😍
 
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I respect all of this for sure...but couldn't you still experience all of these personal baseball treasures if we had a hard Salary Cap and competent Team Owner that paid for better talent?

Loyal, "salt of the Earth" fans like you that romanticize the sport will not be enough to save MLB (or the Twins) if the game continues moving in its current direction, especially with Manfred at the helm.

Wanting your team to be more financially vested in the product does not make people like me lesser of a fan than the nostalgic advocates of the game. Just my opinion.

for me, I try to keep a mental divide between the game of baseball - what happens on the field - and the business of baseball - what happens off the field. when there's a 3-2 count with the bases loaded, I'm not thinking about TV revenue or salary caps.

Believe me, I want to see MLB address the financial imbalance in the sport. was looking up something for a different matter and determined that every NFL team makes an operating profit because of the way they generate and share national revenue. Vikes made a profit - that's an operating profit after expenses - of over $111-million in 2023. If the Twins went into the season knowing they would have an operating profit of over $100-million, I think things would be different at Target Field. but the rubes say the Wilfs are "great owners." Yeah, it's easy to be great when you are guaranteed to make money.

I actually like a lot of what Manfred has been saying about ideas to address the financial and media issues. whether he can get the owners to go along is a different matter.

but - back to nostalgia - somewhere in my brain is a 10-year old kid that loved Baseball and still does. I remember a buddy of mine - his family had one of the first color TV's in my home town. (dad owned a hardware store) went over to his place and saw a baseball game in color. it was a beautiful sight. the game of baseball is still beautiful to me. the business of baseball stinks on ice.
 




True.

That’s a 5 leg parlay; there’s a greater probability that only one/sone of those occur, than all five of them.

Correra is a great player who’s now 30, and the older you are the less likely chronic injuries will improve. I would trade him, as he’s likely got 2-3 more years at this level of production before it dips and don’t be a key gog for the next run🤞, with Kessler, Rodriguez etc…get more talent/depth/assets

I wouldn’t trade Lopez, as it’s much harder to find a top of the rotation pitcher whose durable and affordable.

I think the TV situation will be resolved.

Baseball will need to continue to evolve; there’s a greater pitch clock was a massive leap forward, for a sport which bristles st change.

Can’t wait gor pitchers and catchers. Imagine Festa with a legit off speed pitch😍
It's more like a series of dominoes and dumping your star player unnecessarily starts them in motion. At the very least, I don't see the urgency to do this now. If 2025 is another flop, and the team doesn't sell and they REALLY need to cut payroll next year, then dump him then. It's unlikely his leg will fall of this season.
 

It's more like a series of dominoes
Agree to disagree; not seeing how you are show demonstrating a reasonable connection, i.e, dominoes ; you/me/or anyone else saying it’s connected , doesn’t make it so.

It’s your opinion (subjective) and not based on data (objective) from what I can ascertain - there is no causal link whatsoever between trading Correra, which you seem to deem a full rebuild,whereas I and likely others wouldn’t, to games being on TV (My god, they traded Correra: cancel the TV Deal now), to a deal not happening for new ownership🤷‍♂️.

Additionally, none of your four events below :

If they go full rebuild (your opinion)
the games aren't on TV (assumption)
attendance plummets (assumption)
the sale of the team falls (assumption)

Would seem l to have an effect on there possibility being an MLB Lockout; if I’m missing something, please feel free to explain to me how they’re connected m


and dumping your star player unnecessarily starts them in motion. At the very least, I don't see the urgency to do this now. If 2025 is another flop, and the team doesn't sell and they REALLY need to cut payroll next year, then dump him then. It's unlikely his leg will fall of this season.
 
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The only future owners of the Twins are Joe Pohlad's sons. Putting the team up for sale was merely a diversion.
Why wouldn’t they sell now?

They’ve got a big payday ahead, franchise valuation has never been higher, milked Target Field for all its worth and the AL Central is becoming much more competitive.

Jim had a vested interest because his dad bought the team, now another younger generation removed, as well.
 

I could be wrong - but if I had to guess, the Pohlad family huddled up and reached this consensus:

-we're losing revenue due to the TV situation
-the financial imbalance between large- and small-revenue teams is getting worse
-MLB is facing an uncertain future over the next few years
-we're sick of being punching bags for the media and fans
-we can cash out, make a profit, and direct the money to our other businesses

ergo - let's sell the team and let someone else deal with all this b*llsh*t.
 




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