All Things 2022 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

I would love to be proven wrong about Mond, but in my mind the question is whether he's good enough to be third string.

I don't think he really is.

I didn't like him as a college QB, let alone as a college draft pick.

I don't think Jalen Hurts is an NFL QB, and Mond is like a less accurate Jalen Hurts, without the big game experience, or the running ability.
 

I don't think he really is.

I didn't like him as a college QB, let alone as a college draft pick.

I don't think Jalen Hurts is an NFL QB, and Mond is like a less accurate Jalen Hurts, without the big game experience, or the running ability.
What do you think about the QB from Liberty? For some reason it makes me think of drafting Mond, though I haven't seen him play and he could be completely different than Mond.
 

2023 has two potential star QB's ... but are we going to try to suck to that level (2-3 wins??) in 2022 to be able to get those guys?

Arizona let itself go 3-13 to get the #1 pick and get Murray.
 

2023 has two potential star QB's ... but are we going to try to suck to that level (2-3 wins??) in 2022 to be able to get those guys?

Arizona let itself go 3-13 to get the #1 pick and get Murray.
Actually, AZ didn't exactly "let itself go 3-13" to get the #1 pick and Kyler Murray. They traded up to #10 overall to draft Josh Rosen, QB from UCLA, who turned out to be a bust at #10. It's not like they tanked to go 3-13
 

2023 has two potential star QB's ... but are we going to try to suck to that level (2-3 wins??) in 2022 to be able to get those guys?

Arizona let itself go 3-13 to get the #1 pick and get Murray.
I hope so. Trade for picks. If you can't, then dump all the expensive guys like Smith, Cousins, Cook, etc. Go really young and build your lines.

Don't intentionally lose game like Flores said Miami wanted. But remove talent and experience so you lose anyway.

The young guys gain experience, the lines gel, and hopefully, you'll have a line in place to protect the QB you draft in 2023.
 


I hope so. Trade for picks. If you can't, then dump all the expensive guys like Smith, Cousins, Cook, etc. Go really young and build your lines.

Don't intentionally lose game like Flores said Miami wanted. But remove talent and experience so you lose anyway.

The young guys gain experience, the lines gel, and hopefully, you'll have a line in place to protect the QB you draft in 2023.

In their 17 years of owning the Minnesota Vikings, have you seen anything from the Wilfs to indicate that this would ever be their mentality? A roster-wide fire sale and commitment to having an epically bad season?
 

In their 17 years of owning the Minnesota Vikings, have you seen anything from the Wilfs to indicate that this would ever be their mentality? A roster-wide fire sale and commitment to having an epically bad season?
No. But they should. It's the best move to build a winner.

Next season is a lost cause. They're not winning the Super Bowl let alone a Wild Card game with their roster and cap problems.

If your season is that hopeless, then have the worst season possible to give yourself a better chance to win the next year. Don't settle for a middling season.

Draft and solidify the O-line this year, so you can protect the rookie QB in 2023. A top 5 line with a good rookie QB can be a solid team. It can be a Super Bowl team the next year.
 

How else do you get ahead?

Sure, now and then there is a Rodgers at #21 overall, or a Brady in late(r) rounds.

But which teams have gotten to the top with a QB that wasn't otherwise drafted in the top 10? Probably some good examples, probably can be done.

But it's easier if you start over with a top QB?
 

Don't settle for a middling season.

This is exactly the worst position in the NFL. Not good enough to do anything that matters, not bad enough to land a franchise-altering player in the draft and thus be able to afford them without ruining the cap.

If you're stuck here ... that is a failure.
 



Don't settle for a middling season.

This is exactly the worst position in the NFL. Not good enough to do anything that matters, not bad enough to land a franchise-altering player in the draft and thus be able to afford them without ruining the cap.

If you're stuck here ... that is a failure.
Exactly, and with a new GM and coach, you've got a baked in free year to get away with being terrible. Now is the time to rebuild.
 


I don't think he really is.

I didn't like him as a college QB, let alone as a college draft pick.

I don't think Jalen Hurts is an NFL QB, and Mond is like a less accurate Jalen Hurts, without the big game experience, or the running ability.
Hurts will never be Mahomes, but he can be good IMO. I was advocating for taking him in the 2nd round 2 years ago. Certainly would have been a better pick than Mond.
 

In their 17 years of owning the Minnesota Vikings, have you seen anything from the Wilfs to indicate that this would ever be their mentality? A roster-wide fire sale and commitment to having an epically bad season?
That's a good question. Their mantra from the beginning was to build the next New England dynasty, where you would contend for championships year in and year out. Obviously they've been completely and entirely unsuccessful, never even reaching a Super Bowl, much less sustaining perennial contention. They seem to have never listened to their grandmother tell them that you have to walk before you can run. Delusions of grandeur, and it's hamstrung their ability to make good decisions every step along the way.
 




Hurts will never be Mahomes, but he can be good IMO. I was advocating for taking him in the 2nd round 2 years ago. Certainly would have been a better pick than Mond.
Hurts' inability to throw from the pocket will be his undoing.

BOLD PREDICTION!!!

I'm going out on a limb and saying that by sometime during the 2023 season, Daniel Jones with the Giants is going to be a more effective and better QB than any other QB in the NFC East. Book it!!
 

What do you think about the QB from Liberty? For some reason it makes me think of drafting Mond, though I haven't seen him play and he could be completely different than Mond.

Auburn transfer.
The little I read about him is he has the ability to innovate (anti-Kirk Cousins factor).
At least one pass I saw of his, he through it very accurately.

27 TD's
12 Ints

I'd have to watch the 12 ints to see what happened there.
Is he not reading coverages? Forcing the ball into tight spaces?

He seems to have a bit of Kyler Murray to him, but without the speed. Will he learn to use a pocket if it's there, or will he panic.
How well does he read defenses?
 

Hurts will never be Mahomes, but he can be good IMO. I was advocating for taking him in the 2nd round 2 years ago. Certainly would have been a better pick than Mond.

I don't know if Hurts is better. I think he might be worse in the Ponder way. Where you think you have your guy and waste three years finding out he isn't what you hoped.

In my opinion, Hurts couldn't complete the passes in the national title game when he got benched for Tua, and since then, I think I've seen why.

Now if Miami wants to trade Tua, there's a kid that I still believe can be QB.
 

I prefer Pickett or the Ole Miss QB.

I think both of them are first rounders, where I see Malik Willis as a kid you maybe grab late first round or maybe he slides to 2nd-3rd round.

Don't know how many teams need QB's.

But Willis is better than Mond.
 


I think both of them are first rounders, where I see Malik Willis as a kid you maybe grab late first round or maybe he slides to 2nd-3rd round.

Don't know how many teams need QB's.

But Willis is better than Mond.
Willis is the #1 QB on many mock drafts now after the senior bowl. I say let Carolina or someone else reach out for him and take one of the other two at 12.
 

Aubrey Pleasant seems a bit light on experience? Young kid, went undrafted in 2009.

CB coach for the Rams 2017-20, DB's coach & PSG last year for Detroit.
 


Wade Phillips is openly campaigning for the DC spot. The staff needs experience. Give him a shot.
 

Maybe that's how it's going to go down for 2022. Throwaway year, let the young new coaches get experience?
 

Also, Anthony Weaver has never coached for the Rams. So what is the Tweet talking about there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weaver

EDIT: was it supposed to be Eric Henderson, who is also a DL & RGC, indeed for the Rams? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Henderson

If so, then like Pleasant seems a bit light in experience. DL coach through 2020, named RGC for 2021.
He had another “tweet” right after that noting that KOC and Weaver worked together in Cleveland, not LA. Pleasant is a young coach, but seems well regarded from what I have read and well liked by lions fans after just one year there. It will be interesting to see if they go all in on young coaches, or try to balance it out with an experienced coach like Martindale.
 
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Aubrey Pleasant seems a bit light on experience? Young kid, went undrafted in 2009.

CB coach for the Rams 2017-20, DB's coach & PSG last year for Detroit.
Lions fans seem to be universally bummed about this, so that's a good sign.

The Lions' defensive backfield wasn't very good last year, so the Vikes must be going on reputation, deep stats, or other evaluations to pick him out of the crowded field of highly qualified candidates we've seen online.
 

Willis is the #1 QB on many mock drafts now after the senior bowl. I say let Carolina or someone else reach out for him and take one of the other two at 12.
There are almost always too many teams starved at QB for one or both of them to fall to 12. There are currently 4 teams ahead of pick 12 that need QB's for sure (Houston, Carolina, Denver, Washington), and another 2 that could possibly pull the trigger if they fall in love with a certain guy, but will probably have to wait at least one more year based on their current QB contract (Detroit, Atlanta). That doesn't include trades. Jacksonville and Detroit could trade away their pick since they probably won't use it on a QB and get a bunch more picks.

With that said, if Pickett or Corral "fall" to 12, I'd be all over that. If it doesn't work out, get rid of him and try again in a few years. Honestly, I wouldn't touch the Liberty kid. He might be amazing, just don't know that I'd blow a top 12 pick on a QB from a place like Liberty, right or wrong. I've said it before, but QB is just too important in the current day NFL - keep swinging on QB's until you find one. If Pickett and Corral are gone, I'd take Linderbaum, assuming he's still available. Bradbury is terrible and needs to go.
 

Probably. But you're also paying for age 34-36.
I don't see that as an argument against Cousins-there's been many pocket quarterbacks who have had very good years (or are in the midst of such runs) in recent times during that age range. It includes the all-time greats (Brady, Rodgers, Favre, P. Manning, Brees), borderline HOF's (Roethlisberger, Rivers) and some guys who I think are good comps for Cousins (C. Palmer, Stafford, E. Manning, M. Ryan).

Tony Romo would have likely been added to this list--at age 34, he had his best season (34/9, third in MVP voting), but the next season he had that devastating injury that basically ended his career.

So, there's 10/11 quarterbacks from very recent history who excelled through their 34-36 range. Obviously, Cousins isn't Brady or Rodgers-but prior to this season, was he that different from Stafford? And, whether for the Vikings or another team who feels they're close to replicating what the Rams did this season (the Browns jump out to me), Cousins is in position for at least one more big contract/extension. You can argue that he doesn't have what it takes to lead the Vikings to playoff glory and you'd have a pretty strong argument-but he's going to get paid.
 

That's fine, he probably is in that position (for one more big extension). Kudos to him.

But I hope like hell we aren't the ones paying for it. Best of luck to him.
 

There are almost always too many teams starved at QB for one or both of them to fall to 12. There are currently 4 teams ahead of pick 12 that need QB's for sure (Houston, Carolina, Denver, Washington), and another 2 that could possibly pull the trigger if they fall in love with a certain guy, but will probably have to wait at least one more year based on their current QB contract (Detroit, Atlanta). That doesn't include trades. Jacksonville and Detroit could trade away their pick since they probably won't use it on a QB and get a bunch more picks.

With that said, if Pickett or Corral "fall" to 12, I'd be all over that. If it doesn't work out, get rid of him and try again in a few years. Honestly, I wouldn't touch the Liberty kid. He might be amazing, just don't know that I'd blow a top 12 pick on a QB from a place like Liberty, right or wrong. I've said it before, but QB is just too important in the current day NFL - keep swinging on QB's until you find one. If Pickett and Corral are gone, I'd take Linderbaum, assuming he's still available. Bradbury is terrible and needs to go.

Whether it's Corral, Willis, Pickett or whomever, I really kinda struggle with taking a QB in the first round, especially as high as #12, when it's a player who in most years would be the 5th or 6th best QB at best.

Vikings have some holes to fill, across the board. It'll be interesting to see how the new brain trust handles this offseason. I happened to look at The Athletic's top 75 NFL free agent list a day or two ago and there's reason for optimism. Surprisingly, it's a list loaded with interior OL and CB/DB, which are two areas the Vikings are in great need. Granted a lot of those players will be re-signed by their teams but not all of them. Hopefully they'll be in position to make a couple of additions in those areas.
 




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