All Things 2022 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread



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with all of the attention to the pitching staff, let's not forget how banged-up this team is right now.

Buxton is in-and-out of the lineup with a bad knee. The rest of the OF: Kepler on IL, Larnach on IL, Garlick on IL, Kirilloff on IL. Oh, and let's not forget Royce Lewis out for the season.

The Twins are in a pennant race, and they're running out an outfield of Divin' Jake Cave, Nick "where is it" Gordon and Gilberto Celestino.

Correa has not been hitting. Arreaz has been in a slump since the all-star break. Sanchez can't buy a hit.

considering all of that, I'm somewhat amazed this team is even above .500 at this point.

Excuse me sir, that’s Homerin’ Mr. Jake Cave to you after last night’s moon shot to left center!!
 

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The fact that Rocco went to the last 3 people in the bullpen pecking order in a 1 run game is malpractice yesterday.

Plus what were the Twins front office hoping to get form Duffy and Pagan that they kept them this long. Neither one of them were in the plans for 2023 and they have been terrible. It would be one thing if they were Mariano Rivera and struggling a bit, but they are not and never have been. The fact they were both kept on the roster this long giving Rocco the ability to use them is front office malpractice. Get their dead asses off the team and give these opportunities to other guys on the team. They can’t be any worse.
 

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The fact that Rocco went to the last 3 people in the bullpen pecking order in a 1 run game is malpractice yesterday.

Plus what were the Twins front office hoping to get form Duffy and Pagan that they kept them this long. Neither one of them were in the plans for 2023 and they have been terrible. It would be one thing if they were Mariano Rivera and struggling a bit, but they are not and never have been. The fact they were both kept on the roster this long giving Rocco the ability to use them is front office malpractice. Get their dead asses off the team and give these opportunities to other guys on the team. They can’t be any worse.

they're not going to throw Fulmer, Lopez and Duran in every game until the end of the season. that's just not realistic.

Fulmer has had TJ surgery once. Lopez is in his first year as a Full-time closer. Duran has had arm issues in the past. they are not going to pitch in every game.

there will be situations when someone else has to come out of the pen and get an out.

Mike Marshall is not going to show up and pitch in 90 games with 142 IP like he did in 1979.
Or throw over 200 IP out of the bullpen like he did for the Dodgers in '72.
 


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they're not going to throw Fulmer, Lopez and Duran in every game until the end of the season. that's just not realistic.

Fulmer has had TJ surgery once. Lopez is in his first year as a Full-time closer. Duran has had arm issues in the past. they are not going to pitch in every game.

there will be situations when someone else has to come out of the pen and get an out.

Mike Marshall is not going to show up and pitch in 90 games with 142 IP like he did in 1979.
Or throw over 200 IP out of the bullpen like he did for the Dodgers in '72.

I was thinking the other day that Iron Mike wasn’t going to be trotting in from the pen any time soon
 

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2 things

1. I love professional starting pitching

2. We may have very well lucked out in not giving Berrios the moon.
 





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7th: lead off double
8th: lead off double
9th: bases loaded, 1 out

The chances of a team not scoring at least 1 run total in those 3 innings is about 5%.
 



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I know in the end it didn’t matter but just another example of how poorly coached this team is. On that last play, Cave didn’t run to 3rd initially and only took off once he saw the ball dropped by the catcher. You put on the contact play there with no outs because worst case scenario you still have someone on 3rd with 1 out. If the throw is on target there Cave probably stays at 2nd and it’s still tied with runners on 1st and 2nd instead of 1st and 3rd.
 



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cause Pagan has another year of team control and is out of options. Plus he has “good” stuff or so the baseball people on Twitter says. That’s the reason they fear they might lose him for nothing if he is DFA’d. Now why they don’t find a fake injury for him to sit him for 15 days I don’t know.
He "misses bats". Yes, when he doesn't miss them, they hit it 400 feet, but he misses them a lot!
 

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I know in the end it didn’t matter but just another example of how poorly coached this team is. On that last play, Cave didn’t run to 3rd initially and only took off once he saw the ball dropped by the catcher. You put on the contact play there with no outs because worst case scenario you still have someone on 3rd with 1 out. If the throw is on target there Cave probably stays at 2nd and it’s still tied with runners on 1st and 2nd instead of 1st and 3rd.
Little league stuff. Just unacceptable.
 


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7th: lead off double
8th: lead off double
9th: bases loaded, 1 out

The chances of a team not scoring at least 1 run total in those 3 innings is about 5%.
Would have been just a brutal loss. Every bit as bad as the Cleveland ones. Thankfully they pulled it out.

They have to get Buxton, Arreaz and Polanco going. Your offense can't revolve just Miranda with Nick Gordon and Sandy Lione playing hero.
 

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Would have been just a brutal loss. Every bit as bad as the Cleveland ones. Thankfully they pulled it out.

They have to get Buxton, Arreaz and Polanco going. Your offense can't revolve just Miranda with Nick Gordon and Sandy Lione playing hero.


Or does he?
 
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I'm ready to see Pagan go as much as anyone, but you can see why Duffey was the 1st to go after looking at the advanced metrics.

Pagan still has a good fastball that generates a lot of misses, but when he gets it, he gets hit hard.

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Duffey was horrible across the board.

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How did Mahle look tonight? I missed the first six innings.

When he locates his pitches, he looked fine. But when he missed his spot and left a pitch out over the plate, it got wacked! He spun up a couple of cutters that practically screamed "Hit Me." Which is a similar problem to Pagan. The cutter is a great pitch when thrown with the right velocity and spin - in other words, when it's thrown by Mariano Rivera. But a hanging cutter is like a hanging slider - it tends to leave the park in a hurry. as a wise man once said, "don't get beat on your 2nd-best or 3rd-best pitch.:

Mahle's HR-allowed rate was very high pitching in that Bandbox in Cinci. Just have to hope that he doesn't keep serving them up in MN.
 

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I'm ready to see Pagan go as much as anyone, but you can see why Duffey was the 1st to go after looking at the advanced metrics.

Pagan still has a good fastball that generates a lot of misses, but when he gets it, he gets hit hard.

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Duffey was horrible across the board.

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No I can’t see Pagan was terrible and is the reason the twins bench coach is not the Padres manager anymore. The guys has not been good since 2019. I wonder if he’s even on the team next year. If not then you are simply taking away opportunities from people who are in your long term future.
 


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No I can’t see Pagan was terrible and is the reason the twins bench coach is not the Padres manager anymore. The guys has not been good since 2019. I wonder if he’s even on the team next year. If not then you are simply taking away opportunities from people who are in your long term future.
Apparently the stat geek we hired from Tampa who had him in 2019 has more pull than the bench coach.
 

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The most important decision this offseason for the Twins may very well be who they decide to become the new pitching coach, assuming they don't keep Maki in the position.
 


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Another strong starting pitching effort of 4 innings. I’m sure the bullpen is well rested after the first two games.

And it fry’s the pen because it happens literally 2 nights in a row with Archer in the rotation - one guy, you can manage, but 2, no way.

Say what you will about Smeltzer, but at one point he was tied with Ryan for the most quality starts on the staff and his career winning % is 667 same as this year. A guy who provides length, competes most every start, a lefty and some junk to all these fAstball hitting fools is something I’ll take every fifth day.

I think he’s been handled poorly and hope he gets a clean start in some other organization - a poor man’s pitching Papi, if you will.

 

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And it fry’s the pen because it happens literally 2 nights in a row with Archer in the rotation - one guy, you can manage, but 2, no way.

Say what you will about Smeltzer, but at one point he was tied with Ryan for the most quality starts on the staff and his career winning % is 667 same as this year. A guy who provides length, competes most every start, a lefty and some junk to all these fAstball hitting fools is something I’ll take every fifth day.

I think he’s been handled poorly and hope he gets a clean start in some other organization - a poor man’s pitching Papi, if you will.

I completely agree. Not to mention your “good” starters are capped at 5 innings so in a normal week playing 6 games you are asking a bullpen to get somewhere around 30 or the 54 outs. That’s unsustainable. As it’s been motioned why they don’t bring up Smeltzer and and Make Bundy / Archer and opener and second man on the same day is beyond me.
 

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Sandy Leon is the offensive spark the twins needed. Sandy prior to the twins in 2022 was 7 for 35. With the Twins he’s 3 for 5 with two doubles and two RBI’s.
 





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