BleedGopher
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Skol Vikes!!
Didn't make the playoffs, but won enough games to only get a mid-round draft pick. and they traded away the 2nd-round draft pick for a DE who played what, 5 games?
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Retiring at age 59? Health problems? Or is he trying to put over his son as the new OC?
Skol Vikes!!
Do you trust them to draft a starting NFL level LT? In the first round is one thing, but I think they think we have too many other concerns to use it there.I'm expecting Zim to push Spielman to draft the best available DE at pick 14. Pass rush was abysmal with no Hunter, and Zim most often gets what he wants. Do they have the money to pay Hunter what he wants? If he doesn't play/demands a trade, it almost guarantees they go DE at 14.
In an ideal world, a legitimate QB falls to them at 14. Or they find another GM like Spielman that will trade down for late round picks and move up a bit. However, with Spielman and Zim effectively being here on a year-by-year basis, I don't see Spielman "wasting" the pick on a future piece past 2021. I have to imagine missing the playoffs this year means they have to next year or they're gone. Spielman will mortgage whatever he needs to do to win now (see Ngokue trade and how that turned out). If they don't get a QB, I would hope there is a stud OT available. Draft OT and don't resign Reiff. Use that money saved to get a good value veteran OG/DE/Nickel corner.
They currently has the following picks- 1, 3, 3 (Ravens), 4, 4 (Bears), 4 (Bills), 5, 5 (Ravens), 5 (Steelers), 6, 7.
Health. He had strokes as Head Coach in Houston. Then more spells in Denver and retired as Broncos Head Coach after two seasons. Came back after a year off. He was originally an "advisor" to reduce the stress/workload until Stefanski left. I could see doing that again with Klint as the OC.Retiring at age 59? Health problems? Or is he trying to put over his son as the new OC?
No, I don’t have trust, but you have to pick them to see if they’ll pan out. As the saying goes, even a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion. Treadwell had to be one of the biggest busts of the Spielman era. But then the next high WR he picked turned out to be Jefferson, who looks like he could be elite. The OL has been a disappointment his entire era. You at least have to throw different options out there to try and fix it.Do you trust them to draft a starting NFL level LT? In the first round is one thing, but I think they think we have too many other concerns to use it there.
We've used two first round picks to draft two Remington award winning centers (Elflein Ohio St 2017, Bradbury NC St 2019). Elf was a bust, Bradbury is starting and assume he will next year too, but to me has still been inconsistent.
Of course, you're correct.No, I don’t have trust, but you have to pick them to see if they’ll pan out. As the saying goes, even a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion. Treadwell had to be one of the biggest busts of the Spielman era. But then the next high WR he picked turned out to be Jefferson, who looks like he could be elite. The OL has been a disappointment his entire era. You at least have to throw different options out there to try and fix it.
There are plenty of college award winners that don’t pan out. How many Heisman winners and/or finalists don’t do squat in the NFL?
Here are the quarterbacks the Vikings will face next season (presuming good health):
Goff, Prescott, Roethlisberger, Mayfield, Wilson, Rodgers, Stafford, Murray, Jackson, Bridgewater, Burrow, Jimmy G, and Trubisky/Foles.
The defense better improve quickly over the off-season-that’s a murderer’s row of QB’s they’ll be facing.
Stafford could very well end up on a new team if anybody offers Detroit anything decent. The problem for Detroit is, I really think there will be a ton of movement in front of them positioning to draft QBs. There may very well not be a top-4 QB there for Detroit when they draft at #7. Sounds crazy, but virtually every team drafting in the top 10 (currently) you can't rule out them drafting a QB other than Cincinnati.I'm not sure I would consider that a murderers row of QBs. We play Rodgers twice every year, and seemingly Wilson every year too. Besides those two, Jackson and maybe Murray are the only other QBs on that list better than Cousins. Roethlisberger is declining, and Bridgewater, Jimmy G, Trubisky/Foles may not even be starters next season. Stafford could also end up on a new team.
The biggest wild card is always trades. Just looking at the Vikes and earlier, it would seem the following teams are likely to need a QB:Stafford could very well end up on a new team if anybody offers Detroit anything decent. The problem for Detroit is, I really think there will be a ton of movement in front of them positioning to draft QBs. There may very well not be a top-4 QB there for Detroit when they draft at #7. Sounds crazy, but virtually every team drafting in the top 10 (currently) you can't rule out them drafting a QB other than Cincinnati.
Good for teams like the Vikings who were VERY likely not going to draft a QB, it will slide a lot of good players at the top of the draft down to them potentially.
Their contracts are (relatively) similar. Both could be cut after 2021 with minimal impact, but hard to cut prior to 2021. Stafford's contract was a bit front-loaded, so his yearly salary is actually pretty cheap. Thus, would be pretty easy to trade and could get a decent return.How crazy would it be if we did a straight up trade of Cousins for Stafford. I have no idea if that would save us money or how much.
Or what could possibly be the benefit to Detroit, other than getting a Michigan State guy to come "home".
I don't totally disagree, but can you really say the Dolphins are 100% certain on Tua? And Atlanta, provided you see the prospect you like as needing a little bit of time, they could certainly be looking at Ryan's replacement. The Eagles, if they were able to find a trade partner for Wentz, could easily be looking for another QB to pair with Hurts (they don't have a 1st rounder invested in Hurts). I'm just reiterating what I heard on one or two podcasts and I don't totally disagree. Also not sure the Broncos are sold on Lock.The biggest wild card is always trades. Just looking at the Vikes and earlier, it would seem the following teams are likely to need a QB:
1- Jax (lock to draft QB)
2- NYJ (lock to draft QB, or trade to QB hungry team if they want to give Darnold another year)
3- Dolphins (no)
4- Falcons (no- if they cut Ryan prior to 2021, they would have a $50MM dead cap hit, so they would need to trade him)
5- Bengals (no)
6- Eagles (no)
7- Lions (I would say unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked considering there will be a new GM)
8- Panthers (would seem likely, depending on who's available)
9- Broncos (unlikely, seems they like Lock, and would Elway get run out of town if he drafts ANOTHER QB bust?)
10- Cowboys (unlikely, have to imagine they'll end up resigning Dak, but JJ is unpredictable)
11- NYG (unlikely, think they'll give Jones another year)
12- SF (unlikely, they'd have to find a trade partner for Garropollo, as they can't afford to have him on their roster and not start him)
13- Chargers (no)
If Detroit's new GM wants a fresh QB, they should have the no.3 pick at QB, pending trades. But who is the #3 QB behind Lawrence and Fields? Also, cutting Stafford would carry a $19MM dead cap hit prior to 2021. They could draft a QB and cut Stafford after 2021 for minimal impact.
edited: looking at Stafford's contract looks like he'll be easy to trade.
I agree, except I want Trask from Florida over Lance.most draft sites have the QB's ranked something like this
1. Lawrence - Clemson
2. Fields - OSU
3. Wilson - BYU
4. Trey Lance -NDSU
5. Jones - Bama
So, depending on how things go, the Vikes could have a shot at one of the top 5 QB's at 14. Personally, I would love it if Lance fell to the Vikes. Let him back up Kirk until the cap hit comes down.
If there isn't a QB they like at that spot, I would go with the best G or C available.
But - my gut tells me that Zimmer will want to draft defense. and he usually gets his way.
My crazy prediction - Spielman trades down in the 1st round to accumulate more late-round draft picks.......
Valid points. But with the steep incline in QB compensation, the contracts of these players are going to dictate a lot more in decisions than they probably did in the past. Ryan’s contract for example is such that they essentially can’t cut him, so they’d have to be pretty confident they could find a trade partner willing to take on that contract. Just like Cousins- is any team willing to take on that contract, even if they don’t need to give anything up? I’m not sold on Tua, but has any team spent top 5 picks on QBs in consecutive drafts? Much more likely is they trade down for somebody that wants to reach for Wilson.I don't totally disagree, but can you really say the Dolphins are 100% certain on Tua? And Atlanta, provided you see the prospect you like as needing a little bit of time, they could certainly be looking at Ryan's replacement. The Eagles, if they were able to find a trade partner for Wentz, could easily be looking for another QB to pair with Hurts (they don't have a 1st rounder invested in Hurts). I'm just reiterating what I heard on one or two podcasts and I don't totally disagree. Also not sure the Broncos are sold on Lock.
Stafford is an interesting prospect. I look at him and I can easily see Carson Palmer. Stafford, if moved this year, would be a year younger (Palmer 34, Stafford 33) than when Palmer got to the desert with the Cardinals and instantly made them relevant and powerful, going 38-21-1 as a starter for Arizona, including an NFC Champ game appearance. He played for the Cardinals for 5 years before retiring.
I would absolutely give up some decent capital for a QB that could make my team really relevant for 5-7 years? Hell yes. For a team that doesn't have very many holes, other than a top-10 QB, I would without question consider Stafford
Our only "out" with Cousins is a pre-June 1st, 2021 trade. That's the only option of the four (cut/trade, pre/post June 1st) that saves cap money for 2021. Just click on the red "X" on the right side of the spotrac table.Their contracts are (relatively) similar. Both could be cut after 2021 with minimal impact, but hard to cut prior to 2021. Stafford's contract was a bit front-loaded, so his yearly salary is actually pretty cheap. Thus, would be pretty easy to trade and could get a decent return.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/matthew-stafford-6078/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-9915/
Lance is way too big a risk. He could be great ... or he could be Troy Smith.I agree, except I want Trask from Florida over Lance.