All about Max Brosmer Making the Cut

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RememberMurray said:
Hey, gopherbadgerman... a question for you:

You stated that Brosmer was already good when he got here. Just how good was he?

Was he, say, oh, I don't know... in the Top Third of the B1G when he got here?
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Borderline. Which is what he was at the end of the year.


Do you think he was good when he got here?


I gave fleck credit but call a spade a spade, he was a one year player who was good and well developed when he got here, and got better as the year went on.

He was not an elite B10 QB IMO. He was good but not elite. Could not throw a deep ball at all. Maybe it was the WRs? I’m not sure I’m not a pro scout. He certainly looks better now than when he was here. Don’t really know what bone you are trying to pick…
 

RememberMurray said:
Hey, gopherbadgerman... a question for you:

You stated that Brosmer was already good when he got here. Just how good was he?

Was he, say, oh, I don't know... in the Top Third of the B1G when he got here?
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I thought he’d be a middle 1/3 QB. He was slightly better than that.
 

pharmacygopher said:
Opposite actually. Wentz is a one year stop gap backup. Assuming Max continues to progress, he's the long term #2/developmental QB. They couldn't roll with JJM and Max. They need someone with experience to jump in short term if needed.

Max shouldn't be #2 currently with zero NFL experience. But these moves speak a lot to how the staff views him.
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Hey Max,
Just FYI. Being a long-term backup QB is the best position in all of NFL - you get the money, get the fun, don't get hurt, and may (like me) get a ring, all for watching the games from the best seat in the house. If they do put you in, go for a quick "turf toe" injury so you can get back on the sideline where it's safe.
Sincerely,
Travaris Jackson
 

Full Speed Ahead said:
Hey Max,
Just FYI. Being a long-term backup QB is the best position in all of NFL - you get the money, get the fun, don't get hurt, and may (like me) get a ring, all for watching the games from the best seat in the house. If they do put you in, go for a quick "turf toe" injury so you can get back on the sideline where it's safe.
Sincerely,
Travaris Jackson
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RIP Tarvaris
 

I am starting to wonder how many people remember last years offensive line. While Ertsery was great, the rest of the OL struggled. Plus, the WR's did not create a ton of separation. If Brosmer was not on the team, we would have been lucky to have won 6 games. He consistently hit WR's where only they could catch the ball and made the right play calls quickly. What we are seeing now is simply a progression from what he was. Brosmer was a top 3 B1G QB on a bottom 6 B1G offense.
 


gophernut1 said:
I am starting to wonder how many people remember last years offensive line. While Ertsery was great, the rest of the OL struggled. Plus, the WR's did not create a ton of separation. If Brosmer was not on the team, we would have been lucky to have won 6 games. He consistently hit WR's where only they could catch the ball and made the right play calls quickly. What we are seeing now is simply a progression from what he was. Brosmer was a top 3 B1G QB on a bottom 6 B1G offense.
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He was not a top 3 big ten QB by any metric. He was top 6-8 sure but not top 3.

He made the gophers better for sure, but please tell me how he was a top 3 QB. Maybe you know something no one else does?
 

gopherbadgerman said:
He was not a top 3 big ten QB by any metric. He was top 6-8 sure but not top 3.

He made the gophers better for sure, but please tell me how he was a top 3 QB. Maybe you know something no one else does?
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Not saying you are wrong, but which QBs were for sure better?
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I agree .... although ... man I hope he held onto that money.

Wouldn't be the first guy to blow it.
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Wentz was a HS Valedictorian, an Academic All-American, and got his degree with a 4.0. It doesn't guarantee he's good with money...but he's not exactly Adrian Peterson.

The Vikings might have the smartest QB room in the NFL.
 




gophernut1 said:
I am starting to wonder how many people remember last years offensive line. While Ertsery was great, the rest of the OL struggled. Plus, the WR's did not create a ton of separation. If Brosmer was not on the team, we would have been lucky to have won 6 games. He consistently hit WR's where only they could catch the ball and made the right play calls quickly. What we are seeing now is simply a progression from what he was. Brosmer was a top 3 B1G QB on a bottom 6 B1G offense.
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Yep. Hate to say it but our line was soft and inconsistent and we had one guy on the outside who could create any real separation. Max with real NFL talent around him could be scary!
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Borderline. Which is what he was at the end of the year.


Do you think he was good when he got here?


I gave fleck credit but call a spade a spade, he was a one year player who was good and well developed when he got here, and got better as the year went on.

He was not an elite B10 QB IMO. He was good but not elite. Could not throw a deep ball at all. Maybe it was the WRs? I’m not sure I’m not a pro scout. He certainly looks better now than when he was here. Don’t really know what bone you are trying to pick…
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Hmmm... would the following be an accurate summary?

— He was good already. Just... not that good.

— Well developed when he got here. But borderline.

— Now he's good. But not great. Can't throw deep. But he seems to have improved since he left the Gophers.

— He was already well developed at New Hampshire. But he improved. Not that much, though.

— You give Fleck credit. But not much credit.

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In other words: Ping, yes... but, also pong. And that's how we "call a spade a spade."
 
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gophernut1 said:
I am starting to wonder how many people remember last years offensive line. While Ertsery was great, the rest of the OL struggled. Plus, the WR's did not create a ton of separation. If Brosmer was not on the team, we would have been lucky to have won 6 games. He consistently hit WR's where only they could catch the ball and made the right play calls quickly. What we are seeing now is simply a progression from what he was. Brosmer was a top 3 B1G QB on a bottom 6 B1G offense.
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Just out of curiosity though, would you agree that last year's offensive staff did not properly utilize him (Brosmer) in the offense until say the 2nd half of Michigan or later on in the season?
 



RememberMurray said:
Incredibly disingenuous?

So Max was already playing at an NFL level when he left New Hampshire? That was your take, now and at the time?

If that's the case, you must have been thrilled when Fleck and the Gophers recruited him to finish his college career here! I'd have to assume you give Fleck a lot of credit for finding Max, and for convincing him to finish his college career here at Minnesota, seeing as how you saw Max — coming out of New Hampshire — as already an NFL-level talen
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QB is a position where talented but not certain day one or two draft guys with eligibility remaining, especially G6/FCS guys, see a lot more upside to taking the route Brosmer or a guy like Mark Gronowski (South Dakota State and now at Iowa) took. A seven figure pay day and potentially improve odds of getting drafted, or getting drafted higher, if a projected late rounder.

Max almost certainly would have been signed as an UDFA out of NH. No telling if that scenario would have been a favorable to him as the Gopher to Vikings route. But by some accounts, he pocketed more as a Gopher than he will as an UDFA QB rookie and is on an NFL roster.

My only question or quibble with the GH tweet - it implies PJ has developed another QB who had made a 53 man roster. Who an I forgetting?
 

GopherGrit said:
Just out of curiosity though, would you agree that last year's offensive staff did not properly utilize him (Brosmer) in the offense until say the 2nd half of Michigan or later on in the season?
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No, they opened it up with Max after the UNC debacle.
 

Hmm ... then Iowa just out coached the crap out of us, I guess. Some kind of light switch flipped 2nd half of Mich.
 

GopherGrit said:
Hmm ... then Iowa just out coached the crap out of us, I guess. Some kind of light switch filled 2nd half of Mich.
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Yeah...Kaleb Johnson destroyed the Gophers on the edges in the 2nd half.

The 'light switch' in the 2nd half of the Michigan game was that the Gophers including Max stopped shooting themselves in the foot so often.
 

fmlizard said:
Brosmer's gonna be the QB2
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I said this on here a month ago. All my buddies can't believe it when we talk now and they ask how I knew. Simple. Look at his growth the last 18 months from FCS to big boy football in the best conference! He is an absolute football junkie. Can make all the throws, on time, in tight windows. Absolutely carried the Gophers offense, I can't imagine what last year looks like without him. I've heard the veteran offensive lineman were shocked when he showed up in film room with them and knew many of their assignments. He is EXACTLY what KOC looks for. Has all the pieces around him to succeed. I mean, It was crazy he wasn't drafted tbh. What a coup for the Vikings though. They've killed it with UDFA the last few years.
 

Harrymannback77 said:
I said this on here a month ago. All my buddies can't believe it when we talk now and they ask how I knew. Simple. Look at his growth the last 18 months from FCS to big boy football in the best conference! He is an absolute football junkie. Can make all the throws, on time, in tight windows. Absolutely carried the Gophers offense, I can't imagine what last year looks like without him. I've heard the veteran offensive lineman were shocked when he showed up in film room with them and knew many of their assignments. He is EXACTLY what KOC looks for. Has all the pieces around him to succeed. I mean, It was crazy he wasn't drafted tbh. What a coup for the Vikings though. They've killed it with UDFA the last few years.
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There's about a 10-20% chance Max Brosmer, not JJ McCarthy, is the future long-term QB1 of the Vikings. That chance was about 2-3% at the start of camp.

Barring a sudden major injury it would take a while for this to play out, similar to when Kirk Cousins eventually beat out a much higher selected rookie (RG3) in Washington years ago.
 

As a few others have stated, I think Wentz will probably be the official QB2 to start off at least. If JJ9 has to miss a series or goes down for the rest of a competitive game, Wentz probably comes in. If it's a noncompetitive game or JJ9 is going to miss a lot of games, then Brosmer may get the chance.

Just really depends on the timing of the season, how the team is doing and the situation itself.
 


RememberMurray said:
Hmmm... would the following be an accurate summary?

— He was good already. Just... not that good.

— Well developed when he got here. But borderline.

— Now he's good. But not great. Can't throw deep. But he seems to have improved since he left the Gophers.

— He was already well developed at New Hampshire. But he improved. Not that much, though.

— You give Fleck credit. But not much credit.

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In other words: Ping, yes... but, also pong. And that's how we "call a spade a spade."
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In your words yes.
 

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