2023 College Basketball Transfer Portal Watch Thread

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PMWinSTP said:
You are kidding, right?
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Nope.

They probably have a fancy business school and law school that bolsters their reputation and image. But their actual undergrad program isn’t any more rigorous than going to the U, Wisc, etc.

Guessing none of the bball guys are in law school or rigorous MBA/professional business school programs.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Nope.

They probably have a fancy business school and law school that bolsters their reputation and image. But their actual undergrad program isn’t any more rigorous than going to the U, Wisc, etc.

Guessing none of the bball guys are in law school or rigorous MBA/professional business school programs.
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You may be right about the actual rigor, but general perception says something different. It is considered a prestigious academic institution.
 

Gophers_4life said:
No but after year three yes
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Ok. That's fine. He goes 8-12 this year in the Big Ten and the roster shows promise. What then? (That one is a close call for me that would depend somewhat on the fall signing period as well...)

Anything less than that- I think it's over. Break out the Brinks truck and pay all it takes to get a homerun in. No to any up and comer- has to be a big hire (a how did we get him hire) otherwise I stay the course.
 

bga1 said:
Ok. That's fine. He goes 8-12 this year in the Big Ten and the roster shows promise. What then? (That one is a close call for me that would depend somewhat on the fall signing period as well...)

Anything less than that- I think it's over. Break out the Brinks truck and pay all it takes to get a homerun in. No to any up and comer- has to be a big hire (a how did we get him hire) otherwise I stay the course.
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I'd love a homerun hire as much as the next person but I don't think if Ben fails it should lead anyone to the conclusion that you need a homerun hire to win at the U. There are plenty of coaches who wouldn't have been "homeruns" at the time that likely would be great coaches. This includes Dutcher and Musselman (a few years ago).
 




bga1 said:
Ok. That's fine. He goes 8-12 this year in the Big Ten and the roster shows promise. What then? (That one is a close call for me that would depend somewhat on the fall signing period as well...)

Anything less than that- I think it's over. Break out the Brinks truck and pay all it takes to get a homerun in. No to any up and comer- has to be a big hire (a how did we get him hire) otherwise I stay the course.
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Obviously that’s a difficult decision that’s way over my pay grade, and why Mark “Heating” Coyle makes the big bucks.

Having a sense of who’s potentially available after 23-24 plays a role as well.


Disagree with your sentiment of going for a Mussleman type. Would be very happy with Dutcher, but would also be happy with a Craig Smith.

Jerry Kill type hire, to right the ship after the Brewster-job.
 





bga1 said:
Ok. That's fine. He goes 8-12 this year in the Big Ten and the roster shows promise. What then? (That one is a close call for me that would depend somewhat on the fall signing period as well...)

Anything less than that- I think it's over. Break out the Brinks truck and pay all it takes to get a homerun in. No to any up and comer- has to be a big hire (a how did we get him hire) otherwise I stay the course.
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16-15 overall AND 8-12 in the B1G is the absolute minimum for him to come back IMO. Anything less than that, he should be gone. I don't care who got hurt etc. etc.
 

It really doesn’t matter why those players chose to go to NW.

The fact is, it’s a roster full of lower end recruits. Right?

And yet, somehow - system? scheme? coaching? playing together? - they were able to win games.

Why can’t we do that? We’re never going to get a bunch of five star guys.
 

Gophers_4life said:
It really doesn’t matter why those players chose to go to NW.

The fact is, it’s a roster full of lower end recruits. Right?

And yet, somehow - system? scheme? coaching? playing together? - they were able to win games.

Why can’t we do that? We’re never going to get a bunch of five star guys.
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A brief glance at their last few freshman recruiting classes shows a good handful of guys ranked in the 100-200 range. Not amazing recruiting, but not complete scrubs either. Chase Audige also transferred in after averaging nearly 10 points a game as a freshman at William & Mary. Chris Collins has gone below .500 overall 6 times in 10 seasons at Northwestern. He finished 10th or worse in the Big Ten in the 5 seasons before this most recent one.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'd love a homerun hire as much as the next person but I don't think if Ben fails it should lead anyone to the conclusion that you need a homerun hire to win at the U. There are plenty of coaches who wouldn't have been "homeruns" at the time that likely would be great coaches. This includes Dutcher and Musselman (a few years ago).
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Every time they hire a coach that doesn't work out- the hole gets deeper and the task is more daunting because you are selling against the historical record of the program. At a certain point, fans and recruits are going to want to see it before they believe it. The uphill climb is massive unless the program and its boosters decide to buy a team (highly unlikely). The best shot you have is a proven winner at a high level.
 

Cayman said:
A brief glance at their last few freshman recruiting classes shows a good handful of guys ranked in the 100-200 range. Not amazing recruiting, but not complete scrubs either. Chase Audige also transferred in after averaging nearly 10 points a game as a freshman at William & Mary. Chris Collins has gone below .500 overall 6 times in 10 seasons at Northwestern. He finished 10th or worse in the Big Ten in the 5 seasons before this most recent one.
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Sure, but the last one is the thing.

That’s what we need to get to.
 

bga1 said:
Every time they hire a coach that doesn't work out- the hole gets deeper and the task is more daunting because you are selling against the historical record of the program. At a certain point, fans and recruits are going to want to see it before they believe it. The uphill climb is massive unless the program and its boosters decide to buy a team (highly unlikely). The best shot you have is a proven winner at a high level.
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There will be limited pickens of such people, who would actually be willing to come to Minnesota and our inherit recruiting challenges.

I’d take Dutcher every day over someone like a Tubby, a big name with no ties to MN who’s willing to come here for the payday alone, at this point.

Having actual passion for the U is something that can’t be bought.
 

bga1 said:
Every time they hire a coach that doesn't work out- the hole gets deeper and the task is more daunting because you are selling against the historical record of the program. At a certain point, fans and recruits are going to want to see it before they believe it. The uphill climb is massive unless the program and its boosters decide to buy a team (highly unlikely). The best shot you have is a proven winner at a high level.
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To some extent, I think the job gets worse with every terrible hire. There is truth to that but competency goes a long way. I'd love a home run hire as much as anyone, but our basketball program is at the point where a Jerry Kill type hire would do us wonders.
 

howeda7 said:
16-15 overall AND 8-12 in the B1G is the absolute minimum for him to come back IMO. Anything less than that, he should be gone. I don't care who got hurt etc. etc.
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Your scenario is absolutely worst case. Much better and it’s mostly clear there is an upswing. Worse and basically everyone is onboard with moving on. Your tweener picture puts us all on the edge, much like we had with Richard two or three times. Please, no 8-12!
 

bga1 said:
Every time they hire a coach that doesn't work out- the hole gets deeper and the task is more daunting because you are selling against the historical record of the program. At a certain point, fans and recruits are going to want to see it before they believe it. The uphill climb is massive unless the program and its boosters decide to buy a team (highly unlikely). The best shot you have is a proven winner at a high level.
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And why does he leave a good job to take on a rebuild, risking his reputation in the process? An extra million?
 

Dakota2 said:
And why does he leave a good job to take on a rebuild, risking his reputation in the process? An extra million?
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I don't disagree. This is why the idea of changing coaches so often just doesn't work. I still find it incredible that we hired Ben, considering his total lack of experience or track record. But once we did- you pretty much are bound to give it a chance. If we have to cut bait after this year- we had better learn from what was done. It has to be a proven winner who is supported to the hilt in every way (NIL, marketing, the works) or don't bother.
 

Holy Man said:
Your scenario is absolutely worst case. Much better and it’s mostly clear there is an upswing. Worse and basically everyone is onboard with moving on. Your tweener picture puts us all on the edge, much like we had with Richard two or three times. Please, no 8-12!
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I would like the bar to be higher, but realistically if we have a winning season overall and at least 8 B1G wins, he probably stays. Plus at that point you're 2-3 wins away from the NCAA/NIT bubble so it means (hopefully) that most of the games were meaningful.

I feel like worst case is 5-7 B1G wins because that STILL might get him year 4, even though it shouldn't.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'd love a homerun hire as much as the next person but I don't think if Ben fails it should lead anyone to the conclusion that you need a homerun hire to win at the U. There are plenty of coaches who wouldn't have been "homeruns" at the time that likely would be great coaches. This includes Dutcher and Musselman (a few years ago).
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Musselman would have been a home run hire even four years ago. Dutcher would have a solid pick as well. However, we don't need a home run as much as a developer. We need to find the right guy with head coaching experience who has had to develop with fewer resources. The women's coach is an example of a coach who had to build programs at various stops where her programs didn't have the most resources compared to her peers.
 


bga1 said:
I don't disagree. This is why the idea of changing coaches so often just doesn't work. I still find it incredible that we hired Ben, considering his total lack of experience or track record. But once we did- you pretty much are bound to give it a chance. If we have to cut bait after this year- we had better learn from what was done. It has to be a proven winner who is supported to the hilt in every way (NIL, marketing, the works) or don't bother.
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I think the best we could do is a proven winner at a lower level, similar to Fleck.
 

Dakota2 said:
I think the best we could do is a proven winner at a lower level, similar to Fleck.
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The best situation right now is if Ben finds enough talent to get us competitive this year (I know you agree with this). Ben was hired and instantly put in a huge hole. We have no idea whether he might someday soon be a good coach. I hope he can prove a lot of people wrong this year. The odds are tough but the right guards in the portal this spring could make this team interesting.
 


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bga1 said:
Ok. That's fine. He goes 8-12 this year in the Big Ten and the roster shows promise. What then? (That one is a close call for me that would depend somewhat on the fall signing period as well...)

Anything less than that- I think it's over. Break out the Brinks truck and pay all it takes to get a homerun in. No to any up and comer- has to be a big hire (a how did we get him hire) otherwise I stay the course.
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Look for 11-9. I think that is all we get.
 

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