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gopherguy15 said:
Ugh, I really hope Ben stays away from Mills. Quit Houston mid-season, and there were reports of locker room issues. Houston was a better team after he left. Then he goes to FSU, and that team gets worse.

For whatever reason, this guy is subtraction by addition wherever he goes.
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I do t think you have to worry about Ben reaching out to anyone.
 

Holy Man said:
But this isn’t pay for play. He’s just super valuable as a pitch man in a city he’s probably never been to and only a handful of people know who he is.
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The NCAA did actually sanction a team for NIL violations. They nailed Miami women’s basketball with a horrible probation, for an unprecedented, down right staggering period of a year! It’s all gonna stop, like, for sure now.
 

Holy Man said:
But this isn’t pay for play. He’s just super valuable as a pitch man in a city he’s probably never been to and only a handful of people know who he is.
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Yep.....really wish they would stop calling these pay for play deals NIL because they aren't. It is a shame that NIL has now become synonymous with pay for play. NIL is a great thing for college athletes and something that should have been in place a long time ago.

Unfortunate that there is no possible way to differentiate between the two.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Yep.....really wish they would stop calling these pay for play deals NIL because they aren't. It is a shame that NIL has now become synonymous with pay for play. NIL is a great thing for college athletes and something that should have been in place a long time ago.

Unfortunate that there is no possible way to differentiate between the two.
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Of course there are ways! Determining reasonable compensation for services is something that is done in business all of the time and even the tax law has established guidelines for that issue.

This sort of thing appears to have been done already for the smaller stuff (personal appearances, autographs, etc.). I looked at the Providence basketball NIL site and it was very similar to the Gophers' site in that prices were assigned based on the estimated stature of the player.

For the bigger stuff, that can be done too. Supposedly Iowa's Caitlin Clark has multiple very lucrative NIL deals with big companies. That is understandable because she is likely the most well-known and celebrated women's basketball star. But, for lesser-knowns, one could use prevailing rates paid to obscure actors, models, spokespersons, etc.

Establishing reasonable amounts for services will take some effort but, if you're going to have rules, you have to have guidelines for interpretation and penalties for violations.
 

atsgopher said:
The NCAA did actually sanction a team for NIL violations. They nailed Miami women’s basketball with a horrible probation, for an unprecedented, down right staggering period of a year! It’s all gonna stop, like, for sure now.
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It's not like NIL is being governed by the NCAA, they have no say, this was passed into law via legislative procedures. They can pass rules on how it is administered but that is about it. There are always going to be ways to manipulate the rules and get around them.

I'm guessing outright poaching is just getting started.
 


cjbfbp said:
Of course there are ways! Determining reasonable compensation for services is something that is done in business all of the time and even the tax law has established guidelines for that issue.

This sort of thing appears to have been done already for the smaller stuff (personal appearances, autographs, etc.). I looked at the Providence basketball NIL site and it was very similar to the Gophers' site in that prices were assigned based on the estimated stature of the player.

For the bigger stuff, that can be done too. Supposedly Iowa's Caitlin Clark has multiple very lucrative NIL deals with big companies. That is understandable because she is likely the most well-known and celebrated women's basketball star. But, for lesser-knowns, one could use prevailing rates paid to obscure actors, models, spokespersons, etc.

Establishing reasonable amounts for services will take some effort but, if you're going to have rules, you have to have guidelines for interpretation and penalties for violations.
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You are correct....I probably should have worded it differently in terms of the NCAA having a way of differentiating between legit NIL and pay for play with some actual enforcement behind it.

Maybe we get there at some point but even then teams will just attach some bogus endorsement to the pay for play money to make it look like legit NIL money.

Everyone knows what is going on in football and basketball, just bugs me that it gets called NIL, when it clearly isn't.
 

jovs said:
It's not like NIL is being governed by the NCAA, they have no say, this was passed into law via legislative procedures. They can pass rules on how it is administered but that is about it. There are always going to be ways to manipulate the rules and get around them.

I'm guessing outright poaching is just getting started.
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Miami getting to the final 4 certainly isn't going to help as they are clearly buying their way to titles and it almost worked.

Don't know how much buying of players is going on in women's basketball but LSU had almost an entirely new team full of transfers and it got them a championship.

Especially in basketball I would think poaching players is going to become more and more common.
 

jovs said:
It's not like NIL is being governed by the NCAA, they have no say, this was passed into law via legislative procedures. They can pass rules on how it is administered but that is about it.
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Actually, it was a Supreme Court decision that started the ball rolling and states enacted their own laws to conform with that decision. If you look at the Minnesota NIL law, it mainly requires state institutions to allow athletes to participate in NIL and is silent about most other issues including the most important: whether the payments under contracts are reasonable for the value of services given. That issue and enforcement for violations is where a national body like the NCAA needs to step in.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Miami getting to the final 4 certainly isn't going to help as they are clearly buying their way to titles and it almost worked.

Don't know how much buying of players is going on in women's basketball but LSU had almost an entirely new team full of transfers and it got them a championship.

Especially in basketball I would think poaching players is going to become more and more common.
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Miami isn't just buying their way to Final 4s though. They were a choke job from Drake away from losing in the 1st round. Larranaga has been a great coach for a long time. They were in the elite 8 last year, and he's been to two sweet 16's prior to that with Miami, on top of taking George Mason to the Final 4.

You have to have the right mix of coaching, talent, and luck. If you could just buy your way to the Final 4, we'd be watching Kentucky or Kansas vs Duke or UNC tonight. Yet none of those teams even made it past the first weekend, and in UNC's case, they didn't make the tournament at all.
 



cjbfbp said:
Of course there are ways! Determining reasonable compensation for services is something that is done in business all of the time and even the tax law has established guidelines for that issue.

This sort of thing appears to have been done already for the smaller stuff (personal appearances, autographs, etc.). I looked at the Providence basketball NIL site and it was very similar to the Gophers' site in that prices were assigned based on the estimated stature of the player.

For the bigger stuff, that can be done too. Supposedly Iowa's Caitlin Clark has multiple very lucrative NIL deals with big companies. That is understandable because she is likely the most well-known and celebrated women's basketball star. But, for lesser-knowns, one could use prevailing rates paid to obscure actors, models, spokespersons, etc.

Establishing reasonable amounts for services will take some effort but, if you're going to have rules, you have to have guidelines for interpretation and penalties for violations.
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In an honest market reasonable amounts are business decisions based on anticipated return on investment. That line is blurred by the fact NIL money is donated in most cases.
 

cjbfbp said:
Actually, it was a Supreme Court decision that started the ball rolling and states enacted their own laws to conform with that decision. If you look at the Minnesota NIL law, it mainly requires state institutions to allow athletes to participate in NIL and is silent about most other issues including the most important: whether the payments under contracts are reasonable for the value of services given. That issue and enforcement for violations is where a national body like the NCAA needs to step in.
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I wonder when a college athlete will sue claiming it is unreasonable to require athletes to attend school while playing a sport that brings revenue to the school? If they are being paid to play, they are not amateurs and perhaps rules for student athletes are now obsolete.
 





MNVCGUY said:
Miami getting to the final 4 certainly isn't going to help as they are clearly buying their way to titles and it almost worked.

Don't know how much buying of players is going on in women's basketball but LSU had almost an entirely new team full of transfers and it got them a championship.

Especially in basketball I would think poaching players is going to become more and more common.
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Yup and their coach is one of the best woman's coaches ever!!! Talent helps no doubt but Coaching matters. The Gopher men's don't have that at this present time
 




USAF said:
Nothing says "this is a legit website" better than allowing this nimrod to CONTINUALLY race bait.

How does GH staff allow this??
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I think of spaulding as a young Richard Pryor... He makes me chuckle from time to time... I haven't looked at the stats and truly have no idea if I'm talking out my ass..... But hasn't wi been a predominantly white program recently?? If so... Hence the Richard Pryor type comment
 

Off-GridTNgopher said:
I think of spaulding as a young Richard Pryor... He makes me chuckle from time to time... I haven't looked at the stats and truly have no idea if I'm talking out my ass..... But hasn't wi been a predominantly white program recently?? If so... Hence the Richard Pryor type comment
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Haha same, Spaulding occasionally drops a clever one liner and makes me chuckle...but it's offset by repeating the same tired bits over and over and over

"He and Ben remain close"

Some variation of "white player X going to Wisconsin, black player X going to Marquette"

"Why doesn't Battle want to remain a Gopher?"
 


Off-GridTNgopher said:
I think of spaulding as a young Richard Pryor... He makes me chuckle from time to time... I haven't looked at the stats and truly have no idea if I'm talking out my ass..... But hasn't wi been a predominantly white program recently?? If so... Hence the Richard Pryor type comment
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I agree with the occasional chuckle but with his high number of posts his chuckle efficiency rate is poor and boring..
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
Haha same, Spaulding occasionally drops a clever one liner and makes me chuckle...but it's offset by repeating the same tired bits over and over and over

"He and Ben remain close"

Some variation of "white player X going to Wisconsin, black player X going to Marquette"

"Why doesn't Battle want to remain a Gopher?"
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Spaulding's good posts were so few and far between that I put him and our resident ahole Barn Burner on ignore a while ago. Board can still be a slog at times but much more enjoyable not seeing their posts.
 

If there were an award for being overly active on Gopherhole while providing absolutely zero value to the community, Spaulding would be the undisputed champ.

As active as he is on this board while maintaining 100% irrelevancy at all times is almost a skill.

I keep thinking he's going to slip up one of these days and say something insightful, but Spaulding is just too much of a pro.
 



nooram said:
www.startribune.com

Next additions for Gophers men's basketball? Lots of chatting between coaches, players in transfer portal

Coach Ben Johnson still has three scholarships available for next season and is making lots of contacts, including with the player who was named Most Valuable Player at the NIT.
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I can't see the article but the one sentence exposed says "add more depth." When I see "depth" I think bench player who can contribute. If that is what the staff is looking for, instead of at least one, if not two, guards who can start and be competitive in the B1G, we are in trouble.
 

Holy Man said:
I can't see the article but the one sentence exposed says "add more depth." When I see "depth" I think bench player who can contribute. If that is what the staff is looking for, instead of at least one, if not two, guards who can start and be competitive in the B1G, we are in trouble.
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Pepperdine transfer Mike Mitchell Jr. officially became a member of the Gophers basketball team on Tuesday by signing his letter of intent.

The 6-foot-2, 185-pound sophomore from San Jose, Calif., averaged 11.4 points, 5.0 assists, 4.1 rebounds and shot 44% from three-point range this season. He led the West Coast Conference in assists during conference play and started all 63 games in his career the last two seasons.


Mitchell was also named to the WCC all-freshman team after averaging 9.1 points and 4.9 assists at Pepperdine in 2020-21.

"As an older player with great experience, Mike brings a strong leadership presence to our backcourt," Gophers coach Ben Johnson said in a statement. "I love his ability to play in ball screens and his perimeter shooting capability at 44 percent last year. We're looking forward to getting him on campus this summer."

Among the abundance of transfers who have talked with the Gophers, North Alabama sophomore Daniel Ortiz narrowed his list recently to six schools, including Minnesota.

Charleston Southern sophomore Claudell Harris Jr. talked with the Gophers on a zoom call and has interest in visiting after taking trips to Boston College and Florida this month.
 

Holy Man said:
I can't see the article but the one sentence exposed says "add more depth." When I see "depth" I think bench player who can contribute. If that is what the staff is looking for, instead of at least one, if not two, guards who can start and be competitive in the B1G, we are in trouble.
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I agree. I hope that this is messaging they are sending to Carrington, Christie and Mitchell and not the guys we are trying to get in the portal. It's very tricky the language you use while the portal window is still open. If you say now, publicly, we are trying to recruit a starting PG or a starting combo guard or 2, perhaps one of the three mentioned decides to test the market further. If you say what he said here, but are talking to guys that you think could beat them out for a starting guard spot and telling them- we see you as having a chance to start and lead our team...that's the guys you want at this stage.
 

Holy Man said:
I can't see the article but the one sentence exposed says "add more depth." When I see "depth" I think bench player who can contribute. If that is what the staff is looking for, instead of at least one, if not two, guards who can start and be competitive in the B1G, we are in trouble.
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The article mentioned the Gophers having a recent video meeting with Tylor Perry of North Texas. He has not been mentioned on this board before (I believe he just dropped into the portal within the last couple of days). He definitely isn't an off-the-bench type! He's another sophomore of shorter stature but his numbers are impressive. Scored double figures in 33 of 36 games and 20 or more in 14 games.

Tylor Perry

Correction: he's not a sophomore. He's a senior. Didn't see his two junior college years.
 
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bga1 said:
I agree. I hope that this is messaging they are sending to Carrington, Christie and Mitchell and not the guys we are trying to get in the portal. It's very tricky the language you use while the portal window is still open. If you say now, publicly, we are trying to recruit a starting PG or a starting combo guard or 2, perhaps one of the three mentioned decides to test the market further. If you say what he said here, but are talking to guys that you think could beat them out for a starting guard spot and telling them- we see you as having a chance to start and lead our team...that's the guys you want at this stage.
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My take just demonstrates my insensitivity to the current roster. I have a lot of that in me these days.
 

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