2023-2024 Gophers Basketball Schedule Thread

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bga1 said:
Not to be Marisa Tomei here but...are you sure? The administration has to approve the payouts to visitors and I feel certain they would have to ok tournaments, etc. financially.
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Yes, I'm sure. The administration finalizes the particulars of the agreement, but the coaches create the game.
 


Usually the head coach with input from his assistants put together a schedule. The coach will get the assistants 2 cents on potential opponents and usually an assistant will play a role helping with the logistics…

Possible the administration pulled the plug on Vegas for financial reasons but I doubt it… smells like a coaches decision… IMO
 

formerlybis said:
Respectfully, I would have assumed that the Athletic Department would have some role in negotiating the financial deals with the opponent schools. It could be a standard contract for these "buy" schools, but I'd assume - perhaps wrongly - that it's different for a P6 opponent.
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Sure, the department has to finalize the agreement, but Coyle isn't out there scheduling these games or making calls. This is all on the staff. It's pretty standard practice.
 

Possible it was money with Vegas.. $80-90k for the charter flight… the Vegas Grand Prix is that weekend so I am sure prices are jacked up…once I found out the Grand Prix was that weekend the Gopher hoop tournament had no appeal to me.. I love Vegas but way to chaotic and traffic would be horrible.. just my opinion
 


Gophers7633 said:
Yes, I'm sure. The administration finalizes the particulars of the agreement, but the coaches create the game.
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In the case of the Vegas Tournament- the games got created.....
 

bga1 said:
In the case of the Vegas Tournament- the games got created.....
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All these games we are scheduling now are 100% the creation of the coaching staff. We backed out of Vegas for a multitude of reasons explained earlier.
 

Gophers7633 said:
All these games we are scheduling now are 100% the creation of the coaching staff. We backed out of Vegas for a multitude of reasons explained earlier.
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Then that settles who's the p*ssy.

Do you know how the contracts work? I assume there's a minimum guarantee payout, but is there also an attendance escalator (i.e. a per ticket payout after break even)? If that latter part is a thing, it probably isn't a big motivator for a P6, but it could be for a decent mid major that can get better deals elsewhere.
 

formerlybis said:
Then that settles who's the p*ssy.

Do you know how the contracts work? I assume there's a minimum guarantee payout, but is there also an attendance escalator (i.e. a per ticket payout after break even)? If that latter part is a thing, it probably isn't a big motivator for a P6, but it could be for a decent mid major that can get better deals elsewhere.
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Payouts typically range in the $75K-$100K. But might vary a little. To my knowledge, an attendance escalator isn't a thing. These programs will receive what they agreed to no matter the attendance.
 





Gophers7633 said:
Here's a good article for those questioning who generates a schedule.

Pay to play: U shelled out $645,000 for nonconference games in ’11-12

Programs are paying more money to bring in smaller schools for nonconference games.
mndaily.com mndaily.com

It is coming from the staff.
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It sure looks like the AD sets financial parameters to me from that article. There's a budget. Yes the staff goes out and negotiates those games. Once again relationships come into play and Ben likely has a lot few of them than say...Tubby did. It's a tough job as a new guy and the athletic department made that choice as well.
 

formerlybis said:
With the revenue from the B1G TV contracts, ticket sales don't have to be the primary objective. It's cementing them as the p*ssiest program in all of college basketball, but there is a logic to it, and thus, not insane. Fans? Way down on the list of priorities - unless they can donate to the NIL fund - then you'll get asked to go get a latte.
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I got Diet Coke.
 



bga1 said:
It sure looks like the AD sets financial parameters to me from that article. There's a budget. Yes the staff goes out and negotiates those games. Once again relationships come into play and Ben likely has a lot few of them than say...Tubby did. It's a tough job as a new guy and the athletic department made that choice as well.
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So we can agree the coaching staff is in charge of scheduling games?
 

Gophers7633 said:
So we can agree the coaching staff is in charge of scheduling games?
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Yes but they cannot just schedule whatever they want. There is this little issue called money. We don't have much of it to offer to a bigger program to come here. The administration may not want to lose the home games or pay the money to visit other big programs. I think we agree on this- we need better games than this for the sake of the team and the fans. Consider another good program, why are they coming to the Barn to get a small pay day and take a chance at a bad loss? This isn't easy, coaches who know each other will toss each other a bone and make a deal. Ben is a newbie in the big leagues. I don't love it that we hired him- but here we are. This is mostly the fault of Coyle in my view.
 

Giving Johnson a pass for this pathetic scheduling is a head exploder. It’s not just that he’s not scheduling P6 opponents, he’s been scheduling only teams that are terrible at their own low level and are among the worst in college basketball. There are 150+ low level teams that could be scheduled AND have a pulse. But they’re being avoided like the plague because Johnson is afraid of a challenge. There’s a word to describe a person like that. It’s a synonym of a cat.
 

bga1 said:
Yes but they cannot just schedule whatever they want. There is this little issue called money. We don't have much of it to offer to a bigger program to come here. The administration may not want to lose the home games or pay the money to visit other big programs. I think we agree on this- we need better games than this for the sake of the team and the fans. Consider another good program, why are they coming to the Barn to get a small pay day and take a chance at a bad loss? This isn't easy, coaches who know each other will toss each other a bone and make a deal. Ben is a newbie in the big leagues. I don't love it that we hired him- but here we are. This is mostly the fault of Coyle in my view.
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Your excuses for Ben get more and more ridiculous everyday. Money has never held them back from scheduling quality non-conference opponents and playing in pre-conference tournaments in the past, but this year it suddenly does because you must defend Ben at all costs. There is zero truth that money is a factor in this.

Ben has been an assistant and HC for 18 years and spent the last 11 at P6 programs. He's not a newbie. Good lord. It has nothing to do with Coyle.
 
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GopherWeatherGuy said:
Your excuses for Ben get more and more ridiculous everyday. Money has never held them back from scheduling quality non-conference opponents and playing in pre-conference tournaments in the past, but this year it suddenly does because you must defend Ben at all costs. There is zero truth that money is a factor in this.

Ben has been an assistant and HC for 18 years and spent the last 11 at P6 programs. He's not a newbie. Good lord. It has nothing to do with Coyle.
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OK- you think Ben is terrible at everything. I get it. I didn't want him as head coach. Period. The schedule is awful. I prefer to heap that blame on the administration who hired the guy who can't do anything right.
 

Anyone who believes the AD doesn’t approve every game scheduled is in need of drug rehab. The coach may line them up, but they are subject to AD approval. ANY AD that would give the coach Carte Blanc is unworthy of his position. This cupcakes schedule was needed. Rage now, learn later. You guys aren’t Fair Weather fans. You are pure Mickey Mouse.
 

bga1 said:
OK- you think Ben is terrible at everything. I get it. I didn't want him as head coach. Period. The schedule is awful. I prefer to heap that blame on the administration who hired the guy who can't do anything right.
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Ok, both Johnson and/or Coyle are p*ssies. Does that make it any better?

BTW, Illinois just scheduled Colgate. The average fan doesn't see much (if any) difference between IUPUI and Colgate - just two schools from unknown small school conferences. But in the rankings, they're about 250 spots apart. At least one of the coaches between the Illini and the Gophers is not a p*ssy.
 

Would you guys please stop insulting my cats by comparing them to Ben Johnson? :p:ROFLMAO:
 

formerlybis said:
Ok, both Johnson and/or Coyle are p*ssies. Does that make it any better?

BTW, Illinois just scheduled Colgate. The average fan doesn't see much (if any) difference between IUPUI and Colgate - just two schools from unknown small school conferences. But in the rankings, they're about 250 spots apart. At least one of the coaches between the Illini and the Gophers is not a p*ssy.
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I think we all want a couple of top 100 type games- I would hope they are working on that. Regardless of who we blame for what is not finished yet- that's what we need. You can't walk into the Big Ten season 11-0 and completely untested, having played 11 patsies. That's just not the right way to do things.
 

I have seen all the Kenporn ratings for non-conference. Over and over. Now show me the conference schedule with their Kenporns. Selection may be the only one who can use them with their little value. Never seen a computer shoot a 3.
 
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Not to mention Colgate is a really good mid major program that’s made 4 straight NCAA appearances.
 



bga1 said:
Yes but they cannot just schedule whatever they want. There is this little issue called money. We don't have much of it to offer to a bigger program to come here. The administration may not want to lose the home games or pay the money to visit other big programs. I think we agree on this- we need better games than this for the sake of the team and the fans. Consider another good program, why are they coming to the Barn to get a small pay day and take a chance at a bad loss? This isn't easy, coaches who know each other will toss each other a bone and make a deal. Ben is a newbie in the big leagues. I don't love it that we hired him- but here we are. This is mostly the fault of Coyle in my view.
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The administration likely says "we need X non-conference home games". Beyond that, it's on Ben and staff. There is zero excuse for this pathetic scheduling. And hoping they're still going to add a couple top 100 opponents is the same as hoping they're still going to sign a meaningful player in the portal. False hope. It's mid-June, neither is likely to happen.
 

howeda7 said:
The administration likely says "we need X non-conference home games". Beyond that, it's on Ben and staff. There is zero excuse for this pathetic scheduling. And hoping they're still going to add a couple top 100 opponents is the same as hoping they're still going to sign a meaningful player in the portal. False hope. It's mid-June, neither is likely to happen.
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My hunch is 1 of the remaining openings will be filled with a Power 6 or top-100 type home game. Certainly anything more than that appears optimistic at this point. 🤞
 

Gotta pad that resume. It’s all over but the shouting. Well, and the oblig strib article on how unfair things were.
 

SelectionSunday said:
My hunch is 1 of the remaining openings will be filled with a Power 6 or top-100 type home game. Certainly anything more than that appears optimistic at this point. 🤞
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I hope you're right, but I don't share the optimism. Even if Ben is willing, the fear of a bad loss is surely a real factor in getting a power 6 team to the Barn. Maybe a top 100 mid-major like Drake. That would still be a very sad schedule.
 

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