2014 Golden Gopher prediction !!!!! 9-3 season?

[Spoofin]

Haha but anyway we're going to go 9-3 next year. Which seems like the most likely upset: @Nebraska, @Wisconsin, @Michigan, or Ohio State?

@Whisky is a lock. The tide is shifting there and our guys are going to want that one B.A.D. 1 win on our way to 10.

 

[RodentRampage]

If you don't agree that the pro sports leagues are set up to better produce parity than I don't know what to think anymore. The basic premise of the draft, the foundation of the league, is to result in greater parity. How people don't believe this is inconceivable to me.

I'm not saying there isn't more parity in the pros than in college, simply that it is easier to go from worst to first when you only have to pass up a few teams to do so.

 

[dpodoll68]

Just to illustrate how stupid this "argument" is, here's a little data on Big Ten and NFC championships since 1993 inclusive (picked because that's the year Penn St. entered the conference):

Big Ten
Ohio St. - 9
Wisconsin - 6
Michigan - 5
Northwestern - 3
Penn St. - 3 (counting vacated)
MSU - 2
Illinois - 1
Iowa - 1
Purdue - 1

NFC
Giants - 3
Packers - 3
Cowboys - 2
49ers - 2
Rams - 2
Seahawks - 2
Bears - 1
Buccaneers - 1
Cardinals - 1
Eagles - 1
Falcons - 1
Panthers - 1
Saints - 1


Because of shared titles, there have been a total of 31 Big Ten titles won in this 21-year period. Three teams (Ohio St., Wisconsin, and Michigan) account for 20 of those by themselves. No NFC team has won more than 3, and to get to the same concentration (20/31, or 64.5%), you have to add up 6 teams (Giants, Packers, Cowboys, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks) instead of the 3 in the Big Ten.

I thought the fact that the pro leagues have more parity than major college was common knowledge - apparently not at the Gopher Hole.

 

[mcal24]

Just to illustrate how stupid this "argument" is, here's a little data on Big Ten and NFC championships since 1993 inclusive (picked because that's the year Penn St. entered the conference):

Big Ten
Ohio St. - 9
Wisconsin - 6
Michigan - 5
Northwestern - 3
Penn St. - 3 (counting vacated)
MSU - 2
Illinois - 1
Iowa - 1
Purdue - 1

NFC
Giants - 3
Packers - 3
Cowboys - 2
49ers - 2
Rams - 2
Seahawks - 2
Bears - 1
Buccaneers - 1
Cardinals - 1
Eagles - 1
Falcons - 1
Panthers - 1
Saints - 1


Because of shared titles, there have been a total of 31 Big Ten titles won in this 21-year period. Three teams (Ohio St., Wisconsin, and Michigan) account for 20 of those by themselves. No NFC team has won more than 3, and to get to the same concentration (20/31, or 64.5%), you have to add up 6 teams (Giants, Packers, Cowboys, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks) instead of the 3 in the Big Ten.

I thought the fact that the pro leagues have more parity than major college was common knowledge - apparently not at the Gopher Hole.

Wow, thought we we're done with this... You're right, I'm wrong. Does that make you happy?

 

[maroonedinCA]

Wow, thought we we're done with this... You're right, I'm wrong. Does that make you happy?

In fairness it is pretty compelling. I didn't post it but for me personally, I don't get any happier being "proven" right about this than if you had been "proven" right. Statements like that just seem like sour grapes.

 

[mcal24]

In fairness it is pretty compelling. I didn't post it but for me personally, I don't get any happier being "proven" right about this than if you had been "proven" right. Statements like that just seem like sour grapes.

I still don't think you guys are right, but that's my opinion. Just let it go... We've got a young and exciting football team next year to look forward to and discuss.

 

[dpodoll68]

I still don't think you guys are right, but that's my opinion. Just let it go... We've got a young and exciting football team next year to look forward to and discuss.

So when you said earlier that I'm right, were you just talking to hear your head rattle? What is it that I'm wrong about?

 

[Dr.Don]

So when you said earlier that I'm right, were you just talking to hear your head rattle? What is it that I'm wrong about?

dpodoll, you could be out of step in military marching and claim the rest of the army is out of step, you were the only one in step.

 

[Spoofin]

Wow, thought we we're done with this...

You did? New to the board?

 

[mcal24]

So when you said earlier that I'm right, were you just talking to hear your head rattle? What is it that I'm wrong about?

I think, in my own opinion that college sports can turn around just as easy as professional. You think otherwise. I said you we're right to try and put an end to this, but apparently it is still an issue. Is that clear enough?

 

[John Galt]

Getting back on topic...

Building a program isn't linear, you don't always end up with more victories than the year before. Ask Missouri.

We don't have to apologize for any close victories last year, but we were fortunate to pull out wins vs. Indiana and NW. None of our 4 B1G losses were really that close, we lost by 11, 13, 16, and 29 points. Our conference wins were by 3, 11, 3, and 14. To sum that up, we lost our 4 games by 69 points, and won 4 games by 31. So even though it's ultimately wins and losses that matter, we could end up with the same record and still be a better football team if we are blowing out a few of the bottom feeders and playing some of the top teams closer than we did last year. That would be a nice step, even though it's ultimately wins that we all want.

As for 9-3 this year, I don't see it. Last year we were gifted 4 non-conference wins. This year we get at least 3, with TCU being no better than 50/50. Since we just lost to a marginal Syracuse team in Texas on a neutral field, I'm not sure why some are penciling this in as a W. Assuming we are 3-1 in non-conference, we'd have to win 6 B1G games. So even if we win the 3 B1G games we should be favored in (NW, Purdue, at Illinois), we would need to win 3 out of 5 in the more difficult portion of the schedule (at Michigan, Iowa, Ohio St., at Neb, at Wisky). I'd be happy with 2 out of those 5, thrilled with 3. I think we end up 7-5 or 8-4.

 

[PartoPitinosPosse]

If you can find ONE worst to first example in the NBA every year, you would have to find TEN cbb div 1 examples of worst to first, since there are WELL OVER TEN TIMES AS MANY teams in div 1 cbb as the NBA.


So, mcal24, that is my challenge to you. I want you to find TEN examples of a worst to first season in div 1 cbb for every 1 that dp lists.

If that is too difficult of a task for you, there are only FOUR TIMES AS MANY div 1A cfb programs than there are NFL teams, so maybe you can try to meet my challenge with a football comparison, produce for me FOUR TIMES AS MANY examples of a worst to first season in cfb for any season you care to look up, as compared to the same season in the NFL. Personally I'd bet all that I own that you can't do it.


My guess is that you won't be able to match him 1 to 1, much less 10 to 1 in bb, or 4 to 1 in fb. And the FACT is, that in some arguments there is a someone who is right and someone who is wrong, you my friend are WRONG. Dpdoll is right. It's that simple. You desperately trying to ignore the evidence and arguing otherwise is just proving to everyone that you are very stubborn and not very comfortable with the idea of admitting you are wrong. I understand, it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, and asking someone on an internet discussion forum to be a big man and admit he is wrong when he can easily get away with just running away or trying to avoid the issue by trying to change the subject is asking a lot.

 

[Spoofin]

Last year we were gifted 4 non-conference wins. This year we get at least 3, with TCU being no better than 50/50.

I keep hearing this. TCU should be a victory this year. It is not the same team it once was. Of course, when we win most who billed it as a tough game will instantly downplay it and TCF.

 

[MNVCGUY]

I keep hearing this. TCU should be a victory this year. It is not the same team it once was. Of course, when we win most who billed it as a tough game will instantly downplay it and TCF.

Agree that TCU is not the same team it was a few years ago so the perception of them being a loss on the schedule is probably based more on reputation vs. actual on the field performance. Still makes for a quality non-conf opponent though and it will probably be a battle since it is at their place. I think the Gophers will be favored going into that game, but I would guess it will only be by a couple of points.

 

[Spoofin]

Agree that TCU is not the same team it was a few years ago so the perception of them being a loss on the schedule is probably based more on reputation vs. actual on the field performance. Still makes for a quality non-conf opponent though and it will probably be a battle since it is at their place. I think the Gophers will be favored going into that game, but I would guess it will only be by a couple of points.

Yes. A quality non-conference game - I'll give you that. You stated it better than me - The Gophers should be favored and should win.