12-team college football postseason officially approved

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Goldmember said:
What they are asking the commissioners to do is the 6 conference champions and 6 at-large.
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Agreed
Goldmember said:
This kills the emerging super-conference model. And it completely ends any further conference realignment (or serious discussion of ND joining a conference).
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How so?

Conferences are expanding because they're getting rich off new TV contracts. They aren't doing it for the playoffs. If anything, adding more great programs to your conference means its more likely that teams will beat each other up during the regular season.

Goldmember said:
Also, the price for money games with G5 schools probably just tripled.
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How so?

Goldmember said:
This is catastrophic for the schools in The Big Ten, besides Ohio State, Michigan and (maybe) Penn State.
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I would think the opposite, to be honest. Why?
 

alchemy2u said:
Highly doubt if it is 6 conference champs. Can't see conferences like the B12 or Pac12 getting the same representation in the playoffs as the B1G and SEC. Three quarter of the top 12 ranked teams in the country will be in the B1G and SEC.
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That's where the at larges come in. Most of the at large will be the Big Ten and SEC.
 

Goldmember said:
ND will get inany year they reach 10 wins. And they know it. That’s the whole reason they’ve been lobbying so hard for expansion. This solves all of their problems.
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10-2 ND will be ranked in the top 12? Not sure I agree
 

Panthadad2 said:
If the creation of super conferences causes the collapse of the Big 12, Pac 12 or ACC, I suppose they might need to reduce the top 6 conference champion auto bids at some point. I like the first-round bye for the top 4 and the potential to play at the highest ranked team for 5-12. Notre Dame would never get a first-round bye in that set up unless they join a conference.
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Interesting!

Not sure if this is enough to push ND to join a conference, yet. Especially if they get a fat TV deal from NBC.

If anything, they could view hosting a first-round playoff game, instead of playing in a conference championship game, to be superior in almost every way: at home, national audience, and more likely to win.

That's the thing you have to keep in mind: ND doesn't have to play a conference championship game as a difficult 13th game, each year.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Interesting!

Not sure if this is enough to push ND to join a conference, yet. Especially if they get a fat TV deal from NBC.

If anything, they could view hosting a first-round playoff game, instead of playing in a conference championship game, to be superior in almost every way: at home, national audience, and more likely to win.

That's the thing you have to keep in mind: ND doesn't have to play a conference championship game as a difficult 13th game, each year.
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True. The first-round game could actually be viewed as acceptable for ND if they were to host. I hadn't considered that.
 



Goldmember said:
This is what the approved 12-team playoff would have looked like the last few seasons.

If you really look at it, it’s clear such a large playoff would massively disrupt how people watch the game.

For those that don’t think it will dilute the regular season: last year we would have seen No. 10 Michigan State at No. 7 Ohio State, winner vs. 2. Michigan, in late December and early January.
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Not for certain. The proposal (posted above by panthadad in the Tweet) says that they reserve the right to update the bracket after the first round.

From the example in your link for last season:

Byes (Top-ranked conference champions)
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Baylor
Rest of field (x-conference champion)
5. Georgia
6. Notre Dame
7. Ohio State
8. Ole Miss
9. Oklahoma State
10. Michigan State
11. Utah (x)
12. Pittsburgh (x)

Matchups
No. 12 Pittsburgh at No. 5 Georgia winner vs. 4. Baylor
No. 11 Utah at No. 6 Notre Dame winner vs. 3. Cincinnati
No. 10 Michigan State at No. 7 Ohio State winner vs. 2. Michigan
No. 9 Oklahoma State at No. 8 Ole Miss winner vs. 1. Alabama


Say that Pitt and Utah were upset winners, with Ohio St and Ole Miss winning.

The CFP has the right to then have Pitt vs Alabama, Utah vs Michigan, Ole Miss vs Cincy, and OSU vs Baylor.


I really think you're reaching hard to try to make up ways that this would harm college football. I'm not seeing it.
 

Gophers_4life said:
They're leaving the details for the commissioners to figure out.

This was basically the adults saying "now children, play nice and stop being stupid". The adults weren't going to let it not happen at all, due to childish squabbling.


That said, the easiest thing -- probably -- is going to be to base it on the proposal that the working committee put out last summer.

That had the top 4 seeds getting byes and then the first round being hosted at the higher seed, with matchups like 5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, etc.

Then I assume the NY6 would host the quarter-finals and semi-finals. That is still to be hammered out. The Rose Bowl is not likely to budge off its NYD time slot.
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If it were me, the first round and quarterfinals would be at the higher seeds. If they start the season on the current Week 0 and then have the conference championships on Thanksgiving week. Then there's several weeks in early to mid December to get it down to 4. The semifinals are still played around New Years in the rotating NY Bowls like it is now. The teams that lose in the first round and quarterfinals still get to go to a bowl game.

But my guess is they will do as you're saying. The first round will be at the higher seed's stadium. The quarterfinals will be 4 of the 6 NY bowls. I'm hopeful then that the semifinals are just semifinals and not an actual bowl, similar to what the National Championship currently is.
 

Also, those seedings of course didn't have the new system in mind.

If the committee knew what the new system was, I think they easily could "tinker" with the final rankings in order to avoid the rematches that you're talking about.
 



GophersInIowa said:
If it were me, the first round and quarterfinals would be at the higher seeds. If they start the season on the current Week 0 and then have the conference championships on Thanksgiving week. Then there's several weeks in early to mid December to get it down to 4. The semifinals are still played around New Years in the rotating NY Bowls like it is now. The teams that lose in the first round and quarterfinals still get to go to a bowl game.

But my guess is they will do as you're saying. The first round will be at the higher seed's stadium. The quarterfinals will be 4 of the 6 NY bowls. I'm hopeful then that the semifinals are just semifinals and not an actual bowl, similar to what the National Championship currently is.
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The semi-finals are like that now. They are CFP semi-finals, hosted by a bowl game. I think that is what it will continue to be, and will now be like that with quarter-finals too.


The real sticky part of all this is going to be the calendar.

They're dictating a minimum of 12 days between conference championship games and the first round. Do we only mandate 7 days between each next round, after that? Who knows!

I'm not seeing how they're squeezing all of this into December.


Oh by the way, there are these things called "finals"? I guess? Meh, who cares!
 

Gophers_4life said:
The semi-finals are like that now. They are CFP semi-finals, hosted by a bowl game. I think that is what it will continue to be, and will now be like that with quarter-finals too.


The real sticky part of all this is going to be the calendar.

They're dictating a minimum of 12 days between conference championship games and the first round. Do we only mandate 7 days between each next round, after that? Who knows!

I'm not seeing how they're squeezing all of this into December.


Oh by the way, there are these things called "finals"? I guess? Meh, who cares!
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Yeah, I guess I was hoping that it isn't the case because that would mean two of the bowls would take place a week or two after the New Year. The Rose or Sugar Bowl on January 10th just isn't the same I guess.

I didn't realize the 12 day thing so yeah that really throws a wrench into my idea.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Yeah, I guess I was hoping that it isn't the case because that would mean two of the bowls would take place a week or two after the New Year. The Rose or Sugar Bowl on January 10th just isn't the same I guess.

I didn't realize the 12 day thing so yeah that really throws a wrench into my idea.
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See point #5:

So again my question (in general, not to you) is: we need to dictate 12 days between the conf champ game and the first round. OK. Would seem like such a dictated thing should also hold true between each round? Maybe? Or else, why in the first place?
 

It also makes the allowance that a first round game can be hosted at a neutral site, if the host school wants to do that.

So say that the University of Louisiana (talking about the Sun Belt school with a stadium size of around 20k) ends up hosting a first round game, they could move it to the Superdome.
 



Gophers_4life said:
See point #5:

So again my question (in general, not to you) is: we need to dictate 12 days between the conf champ game and the first round. OK. Would seem like such a dictated thing should also hold true between each round? Maybe? Or else, why in the first place?
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They probably have that rule for the first round only to assure that teams that have to play in a CCG weekend game don’t have to play teams that did not, on short rest.

I dont think anyone besides the B1G cares about pushing further into January.
 

Does it improve the Gophers chance of making the playoff? If so, I'm all for it. If it improves the chance Alabama won't win every year, I'm all for it.
 
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Does it approve the Gophers chance of making the playoff? If so, I'm all for it. If it improves the chance Alabama won't win every year, I'm all for it.
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It definitely does the first. The second is debatable as a 2 loss Alabama is often in instead of in the capital one bowl
 

But I actually think a playoff of 12 helps diversity of champion even if Alabama has the most talent and makes the playoff more

Eliminating the time off before the playoff starts will reduce the amount you can see the talent gap
 

Overall seems like a great idea. It elevates the lower conferences to a national stage at least once a year so they don’t die from NIL. As for the Gophers, seems like their chances of playing in a high value last game hasn’t changed. I actually don’t see any losers across college football with the change.
 

Gophers_4life said:
See point #5:

So again my question (in general, not to you) is: we need to dictate 12 days between the conf champ game and the first round. OK. Would seem like such a dictated thing should also hold true between each round? Maybe? Or else, why in the first place?
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I guess I could see 12 days not needed between the 1st round and quarterfinals because where everyone is playing would be known already so logistically it wouldn't be as big of deal. Whether the quarterfinals are played in the top 4 seeds home stadiums or at a neutral field, it would be known ahead of time. No one would know who is hosting the 1st round of games until the bracket is announced (I'm assuming the day after the conference championships like it is now) so extra time is needed I guess.

That's my guess.
 

An expansion should never have been anything beyond conference champions, with the regular season and conference championship games de facto brackets - and free of the idiotic committee. The G5 quite frankly should have their own tournament anyway. I guess this ensures the postseason appearance of not only multiple blue blood programs every season (will championship games still occur or matter - see 2021 season) but also the CFP committee gang of athletic directors….🎭.

😑
 

GophersInIowa said:
I guess I could see 12 days not needed between the 1st round and quarterfinals because where everyone is playing would be known already so logistically it wouldn't be as big of deal. Whether the quarterfinals are played in the top 4 seeds home stadiums or at a neutral field, it would be known ahead of time. No one would know who is hosting the 1st round of games until the bracket is announced (I'm assuming the day after the conference championships like it is now) so extra time is needed I guess.

That's my guess.
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Because TV wants games on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and they want 12 days rather than 5

Then the second round they want games Thursday Friday and Saturday

Thursday winner plays Thursday
Friday winner plays Friday
Saturday winners play Saturday. They all get 7 days.

It makes a lot of sense to me. Everyone should always get at least 7 days off.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
An expansion should never have been anything beyond conference champions, with the regular season and conference championship games de facto brackets - and free of the idiotic committee. The G5 quite frankly should have their own tournament anyway. I guess this ensures the postseason appearance of not only multiple blue blood programs every season (will championship games still occur or matter - see 2021 season) but also the CFP committee gang of athletic directors….🎭.

😑
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It matters if only conference champions can get a bye.
 

Some guy said:
Because TV wants games on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and they want 12 days rather than 5

Then the second round they want games Thursday Friday and Saturday

Thursday winner plays Thursday
Friday winner plays Friday
Saturday winners play Saturday. They all get 7 days.

It makes a lot of sense to me. Everyone should always get at least 7 days off.
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That makes sense too
 

GophersInIowa said:
That makes sense too
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I would guess it ends up (on this years calendar for instance):
Thanksgiving weekend: last regular season game
Dec 3 conference championship weekend
Thursday Dec 15 one round of 12 game
Friday dec 16 one round of 12 game
Saturday dec 17 two round of 12 games

Thursday dec 22 one round of 8 game
Friday dec 23 one round of 8 game
Friday dec 24 two round of 8 games

New Year’s Day (2nd due to Sunday holiday) 2 semi finals

Jan 14 national championship game (or the 16th if they want to be stupid and put in on a Monday). But I bet in new contract they do like a national championship Saturday with a 5:30pm central kick.

Teams not in playoff are in bowl games from dec 26- January 2
 

Some guy said:
It matters if only conference champions can get a bye.
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The adopted format truly devalues the regular season and I can’t imagine anyone will bother conference championship games. What’s the point? Too many “wild cards” . Not a fan 🤷‍♂️.

I will continue barking at the moon/shaking my fist at the sky.
 

Would be tough to get rid of the conference championship - What if 2-3 of the 20 Big10 teams goes undefeated…. A lot of marbles on the game - would suck to be the 3rd team.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The adopted format truly devalues the regular season and I can’t imagine anyone will bother conference championship games. What’s the point? Too many “wild cards” . Not a fan 🤷‍♂️.

I will continue barking at the moon/shaking my fist at the sky.
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I agree too many wild cards

If it is only 6 auto bids I wish it was 6 or 8
I like 12 if it is 10 conference champion auto bids
 

Goldmember said:
They probably have that rule for the first round only to assure that teams that have to play in a CCG weekend game don’t have to play teams that did not, on short rest.

I dont think anyone besides the B1G cares about pushing further into January.
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GophersInIowa said:
I guess I could see 12 days not needed between the 1st round and quarterfinals because where everyone is playing would be known already so logistically it wouldn't be as big of deal. Whether the quarterfinals are played in the top 4 seeds home stadiums or at a neutral field, it would be known ahead of time. No one would know who is hosting the 1st round of games until the bracket is announced (I'm assuming the day after the conference championships like it is now) so extra time is needed I guess.

That's my guess.
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These are both very reasonable answers for why 12 games between CCG's and first round, but then not required after that. Thanks!
 

Some guy said:
I would guess it ends up (on this years calendar for instance):
Thanksgiving weekend: last regular season game
Dec 3 conference championship weekend
Thursday Dec 15 one round of 12 game
Friday dec 16 one round of 12 game
Saturday dec 17 two round of 12 games

Thursday dec 22 one round of 8 game
Friday dec 23 one round of 8 game
Friday dec 24 two round of 8 games

New Year’s Day (2nd due to Sunday holiday) 2 semi finals

Jan 14 national championship game (or the 16th if they want to be stupid and put in on a Monday). But I bet in new contract they do like a national championship Saturday with a 5:30pm central kick.

Teams not in playoff are in bowl games from dec 26- January 2
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The one thing is like this:

if you make it to the playoff as seed 9-12, travel to some team's home stadium, and lose the game.

You basically just got gypped out a genuine college football post-season experience. It was just like going to an away game. Now you don't get a bowl game experience, at all.

That sucks. I'd rather those first round games also be bowl games. That's my preference.


But otherwise, I think you nailed the schedule, here.

And with games on multiple days like that, works out perfectly to have multiple TV networks showing games. :)
 
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