Who should be in the 12 team playoffs?

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WAGopher said:
Maybe a little slap, but the AAC did mess this up by only playing 8 conference games which led to a 5 way tie for second place. If they play 9 conference games, there most likely would have been fewer ties and a better chance Miami gets into the conference championship game.

Then the scenario could have been if Miami wins, they count as one of the conference champions, leaving a slot for Notre Dame.
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Great point - the number of conference games should be uniform across the P4. Total no-brainer
 




DrunkDons said:
Not having a power 4 conference champion in the playoff sets a dangerous precedent and devalues the hell out of conference championship games. Duke isn't great - but they did what they needed to do. Slap in the face to the ACC if you ask me.
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The ACC and Big 12 for sure would be better off not holding a conference championship. Virginia would have made it. It's possible BYU makes it. There were rumors that the SEC gave some stern warnings this year that if Alabama were to be snubbed (or Ole Miss for losing its coach) they would blow things up.
 


Panthadad2 said:
The ACC and Big 12 for sure would be better off not holding a conference championship. Virginia would have made it. It's possible BYU makes it. There were rumors that the SEC gave some stern warnings this year that if Alabama were to be snubbed (or Ole Miss for losing its coach) they would blow things up.
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Blow things up? Like they haven't already done that - comical
 


BronkosGhost said:
Ranked, seeded doesn't matter at this point they're in the playoffs and the 11th and 12th ranked teams are not. Seems like the rankings don't mean shit.
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The rankings determine who gets in and also the seeding
But not at the same time

You’re right though. Because the top 5 conference champs are in the playoff the teams ranked 11-12 are not in the playoffs because the top 5 conference champs were rated;
1, 3, 4, 20, 24
 

BronkosGhost said:
Ranked, seeded doesn't matter at this point they're in the playoffs and the 11th and 12th ranked teams are not. Seems like the rankings don't mean shit.
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They mattered to the Teams that were "ranked" worse than 10th and failed to Win their Conference Championship.

They also mattered for Conference Champions ranked worse than 24th.
 
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Ope3 said:
They mattered to the Teams that were "ranked" worse than 10th and failed to Win their Conference Championship.

They also mattered for Conference Champions ranked worse than 24th.
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I thought the whole point of expanding the CFB playoff was to get the 12 best teams into the playoff format.
 

BronkosGhost said:
I thought the whole point of expanding the CFB playoff was to get the 12 best teams into the playoff format.
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It never was.
Read the criteria

The point was to get the best 5 conference champs + the best 7 non conference champs


They even revised the model and kept 5 conference champs. the 2024 playoff model would’ve had Tulane getting a bye as the 4 seed
 






BronkosGhost said:
Yeah because why would you want the 12 best teams in the playoffs.
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Doesn't happen in the NFL either.

Any playoff format for any sport is not designed to have a field in which the best teams make the post season when spots are awarded to Conference/Division winners.
 

Ope3 said:
Doesn't happen in the NFL either.

Any playoff format for any sport is not designed to have a field in which the best teams make the post season when spots are awarded to Conference/Division winners.
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I disagree, It happens in the NFL every year. NFL teams go to the playoffs based on head to head results not an ADs opinion.
 
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BronkosGhost said:
I disagree, It happens in the NFL every year. NFL teams go to the playoffs based on head to head results not an ADs opinion.
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That's a completely different aspect than the "Best Teams" make the Post-Season and also does not necessarily relate to Head to Head results.

2022 Tampa Bay made the playoffs at 8-9. Detroit was left out at 9-8 and Washington at 8-8-1 despite better winning percentages. The Bucs did not play either of those teams but still got a Playoff berth due to the format.
 

Ope3 said:
That's a completely different aspect than the "Best Teams" make the Post-Season and also does not necessarily relate to Head to Head results.

2022 Tampa Bay made the playoffs at 8-9. Detroit was left out at 9-8 and Washington at 8-8-1 despite better winning percentages. The Bucs did not play either of those teams but still got a Playoff berth due to the format.
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There's always going to be outliers, Tampa won the games they needed to win and its a far superior way to decide who makes the playoffs than how the CFB committee decides.
 

BronkosGhost said:
There's always going to be outliers, Tampa won the games they needed to win and its a far superior way to decide who makes the playoffs than how the CFB committee decides.
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The CFB committee did not "decide" to put in Tulane & JMU. They were required to based on the pre-determined format.

They won the games they needed to win to be amongst the Top 5 Ranked Conference Champions and earned their bids.
 

BronkosGhost said:
I disagree, It happens in the NFL every year. NFL teams go to the playoffs based on head to head results not an ADs opinion.
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He’s saying the best teams aren’t in the playoffs every year.

for instance if the playoffs started today 7-6 Tampa bay would’ve in over 9-4 Chicago and 8-5 Detroit

7-6 Pittsburgh would be in over 8-5 Indianapolis
 

Ope3 said:
The CFB committee did not "decide" to put in Tulane & JMU. They were required to based on the pre-determined format.

They won the games they needed to win to be amongst the Top 5 Ranked Conference Champions and earned their bids.
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It’s funny

The thing he is arguing for is the thing that happened. And the thing he is arguing against is the thing that didn’t happen.

But he is complaining about the field.
😂
 

Some guy said:
He’s saying the best teams aren’t in the playoffs every year.

for instance if the playoffs started today 7-6 Tampa bay would’ve in over 9-4 Chicago and 8-5 Detroit

7-6 Pittsburgh would be in over 8-5 Indianapolis
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You guys can nitpick this shit until the cows come home but at the end of the day a committee doesn't decide what NFL teams make the playoffs.
Sure there's NFL teams that might not meet in head to head match-ups but they all play other NFL talent level teams. It leads to a more consistent measuring stick and a better on the field product.
James Madison and Tulane dont play the same talent level teams week in and week out as the Big10 or the SEC do but they get an equal evaluation.
They didn’t even play tougher opponents than Notre Dame or BYU, the whole system is a farce but thats college football as we know it today.
 


BronkosGhost said:
You guys can nitpick this shit until the cows come home but at the end of the day a committee doesn't decide what NFL teams make the playoffs.
Sure there's NFL teams that might not meet in head to head match-ups but they all play other NFL talent level teams. It leads to a more consistent measuring stick and a better on the field product.
James Madison and Tulane dont play the same talent level teams week in and week out as the Big10 or the SEC do but they get an equal evaluation.
They didn’t even play tougher opponents than Notre Dame or BYU, the whole system is a farce but thats college football as we know it today.
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The committee didn’t put Tulane and James Madison over Notre dame and BYU
 

BronkosGhost said:
You guys can nitpick this shit until the cows come home but at the end of the day a committee doesn't decide what NFL teams make the playoffs.
Sure there's NFL teams that might not meet in head to head match-ups but they all play other NFL talent level teams. It leads to a more consistent measuring stick and a better on the field product.
James Madison and Tulane dont play the same talent level teams week in and week out as the Big10 or the SEC do but they get an equal evaluation.
They didn’t even play tougher opponents than Notre Dame or BYU, the whole system is a farce but thats college football as we know it today.
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You're now arguing stuff that I never debated, regarding/better or worse, CFB vs NFL.

Also you are failing to recognize, Tulane & JMU were NEVER evaluated against against the At Large field which includes Notre Dame & Brigham Young. The Committee did evaluate them against the other Conference Champions. They got in by being the 4th & 5th Best in that category.

With their bids secured, the Committee did evaluate them with the Top 3 Conference Champions and 7 At Larges. They placed them at the bottom as the #11 & #12 Seeds.

For a CFP to remotely resemble an NFL type format it there would likely need to be a Super Conference of sorts with 32-48 teams breaking off from the rest of college football and closed scheduling within that group only.

Point by point (not nitpicked) you have been refuted. The CFP's mission was never to identify the best 12 teams.

Sometimes teams with better records/higher rankings get left out. Happens in BOTH formats.

Aside from any of that, I don't really give rats arse if ND and BYU did not make it (except I would like to see the Irish lose once more). They are ranked (not seeded) #11 & #12 respectively. That does not fit MY criteria of being one of the "Best" teams.

Tough. I care about just as much as the #38 & #39 men's basketball teams missing March Madness because of Auto-bids from the other conferences. Zero.
 

Ope3 said:
You're now arguing stuff that I never debated, regarding/better or worse, CFB vs NFL.

Also you are failing to recognize, Tulane & JMU were NEVER evaluated against against the At Large field which includes Notre Dame & Brigham Young. The Committee did evaluate them against the other Conference Champions. They got in by being the 4th & 5th Best in that category.

With their bids secured, the Committee did evaluate them with the Top 3 Conference Champions and 7 At Larges. They placed them at the bottom as the #11 & #12 Seeds.

For a CFP to remotely resemble an NFL type format it there would likely need to be a Super Conference of sorts with 32-48 teams breaking off from the rest of college football and closed scheduling within that group only.

Point by point (not nitpicked) you have been refuted. The CFP's mission was never to identify the best 12 teams.

Sometimes teams with better records/higher rankings get left out. Happens in BOTH formats.

Aside from any of that, I don't really give rats arse if ND and BYU did not make it (except I would like to see the Irish lose once more). They are ranked (not seeded) #11 & #12 respectively. That does not fit MY criteria of being one of the "Best" teams.

Tough. I care about just as much as the #38 & #39 men's basketball teams missing March Madness because of Auto-bids from the other conferences. Zero.
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Im not the one who originally brought up the NFL.
 

Do we need a CFP at all?
The Big Ten Championship could have been the NC game.
 

BronkosGhost said:
You guys can nitpick this shit until the cows come home but at the end of the day a committee doesn't decide what NFL teams make the playoffs.
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False.
A committee somewhere, some time ago, decided the NFL playoff structure. 4 division winners plus 3 wild cards in each conference.

Similar to how some committee, some time ago, decided the structure of who makes the CFP. Conference champs are part of that structure.
 

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