Greder: .100 BT winning percentage currently sits as the second-worst winning percentage in program history.

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EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Don't say you & most on here aren't petulant children.

You expect immediate winning. Recruiting doesn't matter, circumstances don't matter...it's win immediately or you're a bum.

You guys CAN'T HANDLE watching the games. You CAN'T HANDLE a rebuild effort. You need to bitch & moan constantly, non-stop 24/7.
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Win soon, not immediately which no one expected - or your ability to land higher impact kids will diminish quickly. You cant handle the games.
 


Gopherfan84 said:
I don’t think the plan is to get 3 portal guards every year. Ben wanted to get some young players and develop that way. You’re 100% right it’s his bed he made. I still think in an average year, Garcia, Cooper, and Samuels are a fine haul in the portal. We will never be in the running for the Terrance Shannon’s of the world until we start paying for them. The problem is that Cooper is relied on as the 3rd scorer (2nd with Garcia out) and Samuels has to start. If Samuels was playing 8-10 minutes off the bench he’s fine. If Cooper is our 4th or 5th starter, we are probably fine too.
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Would be that way even if II and Fox weren't injured, so obj must have planned it that way. CBJ made that decision.
 

howeda7 said:
The problem is his work in the transfer portal was much, much worse in year 2. We went from Peyton Willis/Loewe/Stephens all decent to good to Cooper (good recruit who hasn't played very well)/Samuels (was always a huge reach)/eh I won't bother to fill the other two scholarships. He made his bed on that and he's lying in it now.
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Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg as a backup. As a starter, complete reach.

I think you're (as many others are) being way too hard on Cooper. He's been about as good as I'd hoped and is a pretty good B1G PG. But again, he shouldn't be forced to lead the league in minutes and is being forced to play way too large of a role.
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg as a backup. As a starter, complete reach.

I think you're (as many others are) being way too hard on Cooper. He's been about as good as I'd hoped and is a pretty good B1G PG. But again, he shouldn't be forced to lead the league in minutes and is being forced to play way too large of a role.
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He's not terrible as a scorer, but his defense is awful.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
We don’t play defense like Rutgers did in those bad years, plus they showed a ton of progress in year 2 on that side of the ball.

We’ve done nothing but regress in year 2, and we’re terrible in every facet of the game. This is not comparable to Rutgers. It’s not comparable to any coach that went on to have success.
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By regress you mean become injured...

Looked at a couple teams we should compare to.

Rutgers. Great defense and play 6 Jr/SR and 2 FR (1 under 10 minutes per game)
Penn State. 5 Sr 1 Jr and 2 FR(each under 15 minutes per game)

I know we suck and were getting better, then Garcia goes down.

Minnesota plays 1 SR (7th in Minutes) 2 Jrs, 1 SO Garcia, 4 FR .
 


howeda7 said:
He's not terrible as a scorer, but his defense is awful.
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He's also a pretty good passer and a helluva rebounder for his position.

Agreed he lacks the foot speed to check most quicker/smaller guards, but again that's something compounded by being forced to play all 40 minutes and carry such a heavy load on offense.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
By regress you mean become injured...

Looked at a couple teams we should compare to.

Rutgers. Great defense and play 6 Jr/SR and 2 FR (1 under 10 minutes per game)
Penn State. 5 Sr 1 Jr and 2 FR(each under 15 minutes per game)

I know we suck and were getting better, then Garcia goes down.

Minnesota plays 1 SR (7th in Minutes) 2 Jrs, 1 SO Garcia, 4 FR .
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The injury excuse is nonsense, every team including the Gophers have injuries every year. Battle and Cooper are in their 4th years and Garcia is in his third. The freshman have serious flaws which is why they weren’t highly ranked.

They only appeared like they were getting better because they were playing closer games against other bottom B1G teams, but still losing. They were still terrible before Garcia went down. They have by far the worst talent and the worst coaching in the league.
 



Gopherfan84 said:
Never said he didn’t.
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Oh good grief. Your entire post excuses the reasons for the current roster. And other posts as well. CBJ "built" the current team. And "build" is the key word that you and others love soooo much.
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg as a backup. As a starter, complete reach.

I think you're (as many others are) being way too hard on Cooper. He's been about as good as I'd hoped and is a pretty good B1G PG. But again, he shouldn't be forced to lead the league in minutes and is being forced to play way too large of a role.
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CBJ recruited him to fill the large role. He shouldn't ask him to to that?

Cooper is HORRIBLE on defense.
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
He's also a pretty good passer and a helluva rebounder for his position.

Agreed he lacks the foot speed to check most quicker/smaller guards, but again that's something compounded by being forced to play all 40 minutes and carry such a heavy load on offense.
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He's a solid 2 guard and a 6th man at this level. He is a terrific rebounder for a guard (gets more boards than Battle) and pretty good shooter.
 




Zeppelin Gopher said:
No, I don't think Cooper should be leading the Big Ten in minutes played. It's clearly not a recipe for success.
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Well, perhaps you should talk to your coach about allotted minutes and roster construction.
 

BarnBurner said:
Well, perhaps you should talk to your coach about allotted minutes and roster construction.
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What are you talking about? Obviously Ben totally fucked up the roster construction, that wasn't the question.
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
Pohto...I'd totally forgotten about him.

Looks like he's actually having a decent season and contributing at Wichita State
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Hell, Thiam is having a decent season at High Point. He would probably start on this team and likely be our best wing. Let that sink in.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Hell, Thiam is having a decent season at High Point. He would probably start on this team and likely be our best wing. Let that sink in.
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Or maybe it’s a good example of how hard it is to be a competent guard in P6 play.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
How is that an example of that?
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Thiam was awful here. Went to a low major and is really productive. Some act like our freshman aren’t even D1 athletes. I think all of our wings are better than Thiam last year. Hopefully ours take a step or it will be ugly.
 

Gopherfan84 said:
Thiam was awful here. Went to a low major and is really productive. Some act like our freshman aren’t even D1 athletes. I think all of our wings are better than Thiam last year. Hopefully ours take a step or it will be ugly.
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Oh yeah, there is a learning curve and I'd agree that I'd rather have Carrington or Henley than Thiam. It's really hard to tell how good/bad Thiam was last year because our wings were so much better this year. Henley is losing minutes to Samuels and he isn't half the player that EJ Stephens, Loewe or Sutherlin were. I think Thiam, even the FR version of him, probably gets run on our current team.

My point was also that is how bad of a spot we are in at the wing. Even Thiam, a guy who struggled a ton in the Big 10, would likely be one of our better wings. It was less of a kudos to him and more of a condemnation of where we are.

But I agree with you that I'd rather have Carrington or Henley and I hope they can take a big step up next year. I do think they'll need some serious help from the portal to not put too much on their plate.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Oh yeah, there is a learning curve and I'd agree that I'd rather have Carrington or Henley than Thiam. It's really hard to tell how good/bad Thiam was last year because our wings were so much better this year. Henley is losing minutes to Samuels and he isn't half the player that EJ Stephens, Loewe or Sutherlin were. I think Thiam, even the FR version of him, probably gets run on our current team.

My point was also that is how bad of a spot we are in at the wing. Even Thiam, a guy who struggled a ton in the Big 10, would likely be one of our better wings. It was less of a kudos to him and more of a condemnation of where we are.

But I agree with you that I'd rather have Carrington or Henley and I hope they can take a big step up next year. I do think they'll need some serious help from the portal to not put too much on their plate.
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Yeah a portal guard is a necessity next year imo as well.
 

It's 2023.... Things are done differently now ..
EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Just like Haskins. He had a 17-game conference losing streak in this first 2 years.

It's college basketball. You inherit a team. 4-year cycles of players. They start out young and get better as they go. Etc. But nobody seems to understand this.
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Zeppelin Gopher said:
Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg as a backup. As a starter, complete reach.

I think you're (as many others are) being way too hard on Cooper. He's been about as good as I'd hoped and is a pretty good B1G PG. But again, he shouldn't be forced to lead the league in minutes and is being forced to play way too large of a role.
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Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg at Dartmouth.

He has zero business seeing the floor for a B1G team. Embarrassing.
 


USAF said:
Samuels would be fine if he was playing 8-10 mpg at Dartmouth.

He has zero business seeing the floor for a B1G team. Embarrassing.
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Would he be 1st or 2nd team MIAC? I don't think so
Looks like a 42 year old guy playing noon ball at the Y
 

MennoSota said:
You have no, exact idea, what Ben Johnson did. You are interpreting his quote and extrapolating that he didn't care. I look at it and say that Ben Johnson respected each person as a grown man who makes his own choices.
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Then you "have no, exact idea, what Ben Johnson did" either.
 





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