2025 Minnesota High School Football Thread

[Some guy]

Easiest way to av

Easiest way to avoid it all is a straight QRF seed. Its non bias and most sections are in a straight QRF seeding format already.

If a tie breaker is needed it could be as easy as

head to head
Record Vs Like opponents
Strength of schedule - Total win percentage of the teams you played.
Coin flip

QRF is straight up dumb. All you have to do is look at the QRF in 6a to know it’s dumb.

Can’t believe any section uses it.

a maroon division team hasn’t beat a non maroon team in at least 3 years.
Like three of the games in three years have been within two scores.

It has Hopkins and Eastview rated ahead of Lakeville North and Wayzata.

I can’t tell you how it’s broken. But if it’s that broken how can you trust it in other classes with even less crossover?

 

[Ranger692]

QRF is straight up dumb. All you have to do is look at the QRF in 6a to know it’s dumb.

Can’t believe any section uses it.

a maroon division team hasn’t beat a non maroon team in at least 3 years.
Like three of the games in three years have been within two scores.

It has Hopkins and Eastview rated ahead of Lakeville North and Wayzata.

I can’t tell you how it’s broken. But if it’s that broken how can you trust it in other classes with even less crossover?

Its definitely not perfect. I was just using it as a tool. But I think almost all sections use it, for all sports.

 

[ecoperson]

I think you guys are all missing the point. I want to see GREAT games in the state tournament. I think we get the correct state champs, but the state isn't awarded with the games we should or could get at the highest level. But I guess we can continue to hand out participation trophies to all corners of the state just to appease people's feelings.

You want more tickets sold? Send 16 teams to the state tournament. You want more people to attend the state championship games, guarantee the best teams are there. You want more people to pay for the NSPN games, double the teams playing in the 1st round of state with good games.

Until then we will have close games in some sections and then blowouts in the quarter finals when good teams play teams that are just ok

I get what you are saying but sometimes the 'best' teams over the course of a season are not really the 'best' teams at the end of the year. March Madness, for example, is a hit because of the opportunity for 'lesser' teams to beat the big boys.

It is entirely possible for a team to come out of a 'poor' section and perform well at the state tournament. I have also seen many teams come out of 'great' sections and stink it up. Sometimes all of the teams in a 'great' section are perceived to be better simply based on reputation when, in fact, the top teams from other sections can compete just as well.

 

[Some guy]

Its definitely not perfect. I was just using it as a tool. But I think almost all sections use it, for all sports.

You are incorrect

Unless by “use it” you mean “look at it before a coaches vote”

 

[MaxyJR1]

Nobody is equipped to stop the passing game the way Moorhead runs it. And if it’s 3rd and 5, they just hit Mack on a slant or hitch and it’s money.

It’s crazy. I’ve watched them multiple times and they have an answer for everything. Defenses can’t get off the field in 3d or 4th down. Now they go into perfect weather conditions.

 

[Ranger692]

You are incorrect

Unless by “use it” you mean “look at it before a coaches vote”

Currently
9P
7 qrf seeded sections
A
5 qrf seeded sections
2A
5 qrf seeded sections
3A
8 qrf seeded sections
4A
3 qrf seeded sections
5A
2 qrf seeded sections

So 30 of the 48 sections use qrf to seed for the section brackets in football

 

[Some guy]

Currently
9P
7 qrf seeded sections
A
5 qrf seeded sections
2A
5 qrf seeded sections
3A
8 qrf seeded sections
4A
3 qrf seeded sections
5A
2 qrf seeded sections

So 30 of the 48 sections use qrf to seed for the section brackets in football

You said almost all in all sports

30/48 isn’t even close to almost all
There are 52 sections if you include 6a

30/52 is 58%
Not “almost all”

 

[Ranger692]

I dont have

You said almost all in all sports

30/48 isn’t even close to almost all
There are 52 sections if you include 6a

30/52 is 58%
Not “almost all”

I don't have time to run through every sport and every section... 6A is also completely different set up in football... But a quick look through baseball and its a high majority in the lowest class to use QRF, same with class A in basketball so unless Soccer or tennis its 100% coaches vote I stand by more sections use QRF to seed than don't.

 

[Some guy]

I dont have

I don't have time to run through every sport and every section... 6A is also completely different set up in football... But a quick look through baseball and its a high majority in the lowest class to use QRF, same with class A in basketball so unless Soccer or tennis its 100% coaches vote I stand by more sections use QRF to seed than don't.

I have no idea if more sections do or dont
I do know saying almost all sections use it is wrong

6a is a completely different set up but the seeding of the sections is the same

 

[Ranger692]

I get what you are saying but sometimes the 'best' teams over the course of a season are not really the 'best' teams at the end of the year. March Madness, for example, is a hit because of the opportunity for 'lesser' teams to beat the big boys.

It is entirely possible for a team to come out of a 'poor' section and perform well at the state tournament. I have also seen many teams come out of 'great' sections and stink it up. Sometimes all of the teams in a 'great' section are perceived to be better simply based on reputation when, in fact, the top teams from other sections can compete just as well.

How does your statement make the 16 team bracket not an even better idea then?

I keep seeing people make arguments against it and your statements are actually proving why its a good idea...

All of you keep saying that these teams deserve a shot, I would like to see 8 more in the bracket and you guys are all saying that's a bad idea with no reasoning why, except for a possible travel issue. More teams, more underdogs, more chance to get the best teams in. If you were good enough to get to the section championship, you may just be good enough to get to the state championship.
I have never said it should just be the 8 best, always that it should get seeded at the 16 level... Incorporating another 8 teams to possibly get to the championship games SHOULD just make a better more even tournament at the end.


The "We've always done it that way" crowd is the only one to not show up yet. To that I ask how is the horse you ride to work doing?

 

[LeftofThaDial]

How does your statement make the 16 team bracket not an even better idea then?

I keep seeing people make arguments against it and your statements are actually proving why its a good idea...

All of you keep saying that these teams deserve a shot, I would like to see 8 more in the bracket and you guys are all saying that's a bad idea with no reasoning why, except for a possible travel issue. More teams, more underdogs, more chance to get the best teams in. If you were good enough to get to the section championship, you may just be good enough to get to the state championship.
I have never said it should just be the 8 best, always that it should get seeded at the 16 level... Incorporating another 8 teams to possibly get to the championship games SHOULD just make a better more even tournament at the end.


The "We've always done it that way" crowd is the only one to not show up yet. To that I ask how is the horse you ride to work doing?

How long are you going to argue this subject without one person agreeing with you, or even giving a post of yours a like. We are sorry the team you coach lost.

 

[Ope3]

How does your statement make the 16 team bracket not an even better idea then?

I keep seeing people make arguments against it and your statements are actually proving why its a good idea...

All of you keep saying that these teams deserve a shot, I would like to see 8 more in the bracket and you guys are all saying that's a bad idea with no reasoning why, except for a possible travel issue. More teams, more underdogs, more chance to get the best teams in. If you were good enough to get to the section championship, you may just be good enough to get to the state championship.
I have never said it should just be the 8 best, always that it should get seeded at the 16 level... Incorporating another 8 teams to possibly get to the championship games SHOULD just make a better more even tournament at the end.


The "We've always done it that way" crowd is the only one to not show up yet. To that I ask how is the horse you ride to work doing?

So previously you were arguing that the current format has a "participation trophy" element to it yet you want to double the State Tournament field. That would include 8 more participating teams incapable of Winning their Section.

Uffda.