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bonin21 said:
UND enters the McKenna discussion. Christ.
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it changes every single week my dude (and his agent still has said they're waiting until post draft to make some choices, which I'd envision is also because it let's him see where others end up at/who he'd play with). at this point, it may be best for you to take the summer off.
 

upnorthkid said:
it changes every single week my dude (and his agent still has said they're waiting until post draft to make some choices, which I'd envision is also because it let's him see where others end up at/who he'd play with). at this point, it may be best for you to take the summer off.
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And yet, Minnesota is not in any of the discussions.

People always say draft picks don't win titles and it's true but they don't seem to realize the number of first round picks in college hockey is exploding now and it will matter more. And the Gophers don't even have one and not even a 2nd rounder.
 

bonin21 said:
And yet, Minnesota is not in any of the discussions.

People always say draft picks don't win titles and it's true but they don't seem to realize the number of first round picks in college hockey is exploding now and it will matter more. And the Gophers don't even have one and not even a 2nd rounder.
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hold on, lemme go create a twitter to tweet something about McKenna to MN.

No one knows at this point. Remember that fun time we were supposedly in the running for Misa based on twitter?
 

upnorthkid said:
hold on, lemme go create a twitter to tweet something about McKenna to MN.

No one knows at this point. Remember that fun time we were supposedly in the running for Misa based on twitter?
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Yup that was fun before we realized none of the top players want to come here
 

Combine info.

Hagens says he’s ready for the nhl. We’ll see if he’s back pending who drafts him
 


additional combine stuff
Apparently Carter Bear has said loyalty is important to him, which many take as he would not come play NCAA hockey. I guess was a question that was asked to multiple guys at the combine. Will be curious to see if it impacts what any additional players do this fall
 

McKenna down to MSU and PSU. Yay. Incoming denial comments.
 

bonin21 said:
McKenna down to MSU and PSU. Yay. Incoming denial comments.
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there have been about 20 twitter posts about him committing to PSU, having a top 5 of ASU, Harvard, PSU, MSU and Princeton, and a whole bunch of crap.

Ryder Ritchie just committed to BU. So I'd put as more likely he ends up there
 





bonin21 said:
They are going to steamroll college hockey. Maybe 30 wins heading into the FF.
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BU is going to be really good but I worry about you getting your hopes too high. What if by some chance the Gophs knock them out in a regional? You don’t seem to handle disappointment too well.
 

WoodburyTim said:
BU is going to be really good but I worry about you getting your hopes too high. What if by some chance the Gophs knock them out in a regional? You don’t seem to handle disappointment too well.
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Cool dream but not going to happen. BU out skilled, out worked and out coached the Gophers at basically a home regional two years ago. This BU team will be better and this Gopher team will not be great.
 

bonin21 said:
Cool dream but not going to happen. BU out skilled, out worked and out coached the Gophers at basically a home regional two years ago. This BU team will be better and this Gopher team will not be great.
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Watching Close give up a pair of muffins right in front of me, not sure I agree with your take on the game in SF other than that they were more skilled than us.
Further, I'm sure that's exactly what you would've said about MSU last year. Joy of a 1 and done.
 




bonin21 said:
5 star 2008 Pierce Mbuyi to PSU. Christ
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if you're expecting we aren't going to get absolutely mauled trying to pull kids out of Toronto for forever regardless of what we do, you're sadly mistaken.

PSU is going to be probably a dominant Canadian recruiting team long term as there's not a ton of local skaters that aren't going favored to BC/BU given their money and proximity to the OHL. There will some reshuffling for a time until it levels off. It will be ok.

We also get to play the waiting game of seeing how many of these guys hit campus and for how long. The style played in NCAA hockey vs the OHL is going to be a wakeup call for a lot of kids.
 

upnorthkid said:
if you're expecting we aren't going to get absolutely mauled trying to pull kids out of Toronto for forever regardless of what we do, you're sadly mistaken.

PSU is going to be probably a dominant Canadian recruiting team long term as there's not a ton of local skaters that aren't going favored to BC/BU given their money and proximity to the OHL. There will some reshuffling for a time until it levels off. It will be ok.

We also get to play the waiting game of seeing how many of these guys hit campus and for how long. The style played in NCAA hockey vs the OHL is going to be a wakeup call for a lot of kids.
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I’ll take the talent and worry about the style of play later. If the influx of OHL kids continues that also means the style will look more like OHL vs NCAA.
 

From the Parkinglot said:
I’ll take the talent and worry about the style of play later. If the influx of OHL kids continues that also means the style will look more like OHL vs NCAA.
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Personally I think this year will be a very telling year on if guys like it and what happens to their draft stocks which will have a big impact on how many continue to come down. High end guys will always be fine eventually, but some of these smaller guys who can thrive up north will struggle. We’ve also seen goes go from the ncaa and not being productive to being much better producers up there. We’ll see how it all translates.

I too would take the talent, but don’t know if it’s as dire as everyone is worrying it will be.

And percentage wise, we’re still a long long way away from it looking more like OHL. It never will be as the age it too discrepant and 22-23 year old guys will still always be able to check and close space with there only being so many 18 year old high end guys.
 

You guys don't seem to realize how good at hockey these top Canadian kids are...
 

bonin21 said:
You guys don't seem to realize how good at hockey these top Canadian kids are...
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almost like there's a reason for the comment, the top guys will be fine wherever they play.

Yes McKenna, Misa (if he comes down), Martone, Lindstrom, etc.(aka the high 1st round draft picks) will be good players and impact guys from the jump. Same as the guys here who play USHL and are high first rounders. there's going to be an adaptation phase for many players. The mid round guys some will pop, some won't and it'll take time. The difference between the impact those guys can have versus say a Jack Devine is going to be more marked than say someone in the mid to back half of the first round or second where it's just as likely it's going to take a minute.

They're still going from being 17-18 year olds who are the best player on the ice by far to playing in a league average is 22-23 and the weights an extra 20# and guys who can keep up. There's a reason Michigan, BC, BU, and MN haven't won every title for the last 10 years.

Hence why you take the talent if you can get it, but it's not worth the massive meltdown. The bigger concern is the MN class we pulled this year (and a seemingly more down class there). if it rebounds and we're better this fall, we'll be fine competing. You're still going to have generational type guys you want to recruit hard, absolutely.
 

Kvasnicka officially playing WHL next year. Hoping this means Bob has someone additional on target but think this is better for Kvas development in any regard than coming in too early
 


Kvas and Maceo didn't live up to expectations when committing. Now you're sitting at 13 forwards or 14 with Nevers who shouldn't be a Gopher. Maybe he'll flip a Bemidji or St Thomas recruit
 

What a fun first round watching all the players the Gophers missed to conference and rivals get picked.
 

bonin21 said:
What a fun first round watching all the players the Gophers missed to conference and rivals get picked.
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so Mason West?

I guess Hensler as well.

None of the rest of the 1st round had any connection to MN. I get your still upset about the CHL stuff. If we were to somehow get Lakovic, are we now better than Michigan because Spence didn't go in the 1st round?
 


upnorthkid said:
so Mason West?

I guess Hensler as well.

None of the rest of the 1st round had any connection to MN. I get your still upset about the CHL stuff. If we were to somehow get Lakovic, are we now better than Michigan because Spence didn't go in the 1st round?
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Michigan
Hage 1st round
Horcoff 1st round
Spence 2nd round
McKinney 2nd round
Ivankovic 2nd round

Minnesota
Rombach 2nd round
 

bonin21 said:
Michigan
Hage 1st round
Horcoff 1st round
Spence 2nd round
McKinney 2nd round
Ivankovic 2nd round

Minnesota
Rombach 2nd round
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so of their incoming recruiting class, so Horcoff (Who is from Michigan and his dad went to Michigan State) and some 2nd rounders. Got it. Seems pretty irrelevant to your comment of "fun time watching all the players the Gophers missed to conference and rivals get picked." If Rombach is picked 3 picks higher are we now somehow better?

Hence my point of if we get Lakovic are we somehow better than Michigan? OR gasp, are drafted players all pretty decent with high potential outside of true gamebreakers taken in the top 5 or so (depending on draft)? You're on record saying Luke Misa is a 5 star recruit and possibly be the best player on MNs roster (he's a 5th rounder). Mason West just went in the 1st round and is nowhere near ready to dominate college hockey, much less even come into college and play. And on top of that, for every guy who looks like Snuggy who is a mid rounder and contributes from day one, you have just as many that look like Stramel and need to figure it out.

I get we want high end talent. We need more because it makes it easier. We will have 4 drafted defensemen in our top 6 this year. We will have 8 drafted forwards. We may struggle because we dumped our top 5 scorers, 3 more guys, and our top goalie. Trying to bandaid that with a one year, first round pick was not going to change that this is going to be a transition year either way. That's also part of the reason it made perfect sense for BU to go insane and throw money at players is many of their top guys are back (Hutson, Eiserman, Yegorov, etc.). And if they don't win, it's going to be amazing to watch the meltdown in that fanbase (not to mention the mental gymnastics the same people pulled after BC also failed the last 2 years).

Now if he doesn't address the pipeline for next year, Bob is probably not going to continue to be the coach. It's good to see the Gopher alum collective starting up and would be where I'd put money if we're going to change things in the new market (DTA and the U of M grouping are seeming like they're going to shunt it into football heavily).

Post draft is going to be a lot more telling as to what the tweeners who may be 2 year guys do and then who convinces these guys to buy in despite having no real allegiance to the University historically and not being on their radar until now as a mercenary player because the rules changed.
 

You're going to see on the ice very quickly the gap between MSU/PSU and the Gophers. And Michigan will have more talent but their coaching is brutal so they may finish close to the Gophers in the conference.
 

bonin21 said:
You're going to see on the ice very quickly the gap between MSU/PSU and the Gophers. And Michigan will have more talent but their coaching is brutal so they may finish close to the Gophers in the conference.
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you mean 2 teams that were returning most of their roster already? Shocking.

PSU lost 2 defensemen who both graduated on time and brought in their coaches kid and one player. They graduated 5 senior forwards the only of which was a higher contributor was Dzhaniyev. Yeah I'd envision you're going to pay big to win when you return your top 4 point getters and top 5 goal scorers.

MSU graduated 2 grinding defensemen and 2 guys early to the NHL, but bring back 4/5 top scorers.

Again where do you think a 1 and done wants to go? And i'm not worried about them outskating us because of the couple of new incoming guys, their teams are almost entirely back as it is and they were FF talented level teams as it was.

Yet somehow PSU only has 3 guys coming back who are NHL draft picks (plus who they just had drafted of course plus one transfer 5th round goalie) and they were all 7th rounders. Amazing how that works. And no its not just they were way older (they were 3/10 of a year older and one of the youngest teams in college hockey). And before its that its Gadowsky, well he too had only won 2 total NCAA tournament games before last year.

Let the teams touch the ice and we'll see. I don't expect we're contending this year but then again I didn't have WMU or PSU in the FF going into last year either (nor did you, not to mention even have MSU mentioned who was 1 or 2 almost all year) and Mich and UND didn't even make the tourney. i think yeah they'll be better than us and have the B10 as
MSU
PSU
MN
UM
WI
 
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I remember in 21-22 that Michigan had 7 first round picks and they did not win the conference regulation title or the natty. But some people crowned them NCAA champs before the regular season started and gushed over that roster. Look how that turned out...
 

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