All Things 2025 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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ShushPush said:
I'm a cash flow kind of guy. That sounds long term. Since you didn't list assets here, It is really hard to see the whole picture. I could say "Ooo, kind of bigly" but I would be lying.
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If you're a cash flow kind of guy then the elimination of the bulk of what was a $55 million revenue stream should be a pretty obvious "cause and effect".
 

forever a gopher said:
Two things:
1. Those uniforms, white pants or not, are atrocious.
2. The best the Twins can do when promoting their team is using France and Bader? Did they already use up all the contractual media responsibilities of the players that people actually know? This team is sunk.
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I'm with ya. Those uni's are awful
 

Ope3 said:
If you're a cash flow kind of guy then the elimination of the bulk of what was a $55 million revenue stream should be a pretty obvious "cause and effect".
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My guess is they're between $25-30 million in local TV revenue now. A big drop from $55 but some are claiming it's under $5 million now and that's just not true.
 

Ope3 said:
If you're a cash flow kind of guy then the elimination of the bulk of what was a $55 million revenue stream should be a pretty obvious "cause and effect".
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Just effect. Without the balance sheet and the budget, it really only shows that management made a decision. It does not indicate why.
 




Slim Tubby said:
This has to get demoralizing at times even for the diehard baseball guys on here. The White Sox must be smelling blood.
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I care less and less each day. I don’t like ownership, the front office or the manager and there are few players I find worth rooting for. You know they were hoping against hope that they'd prove all the naysayers wrong and play winning baseball without aggressively trying to improve the team. It's not working out that way and any good will they had from finally winning a playoff series is gone.
 

howeda7 said:
My guess is they're between $25-30 million in local TV revenue now. A big drop from $55 but some are claiming it's under $5 million now and that's just not true.
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Given what the Padres made last year, I don't think the Twins are anywhere near $25 million.
 




From the Parkinglot said:

Unserious organization.
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And then he apparently is walking off the field, instead of putting his head down and hustling off. A veteran needs to call him out in front of everyone and tell them this shit stops now. Gladden would’ve thrown him up against a wall

Same problem as the Wolves, Rocco just like Finch wants to be everyone’s buddy, instead of Managing them and being an authority figure.
 

Just Gopher It!! said:
And then he apparently is walking off the field, instead of putting his head down and hustling off. A veteran needs to call him out in front of everyone and tell them this shit stops now. Gladden would’ve thrown him up against a wall

Same problem as the Wolves, Rocco just like Finch wants to be everyone’s buddy, instead of Managing them and being an authority figure.
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I not sure you can manage by fear in 2025. We as a society are soft. At a minimum he should apologize to his teammates and probably sit a couple of games.

It’s also on Miranda to I don’t know maybe give a shit too.

With this Collection it’s gonna be a long season cause no one is coming to save the .
 






Ope3 said:
Given what the Padres made last year, I don't think the Twins are anywhere near $25 million.
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That's what I'm saying. The reports that the Padres "made $4 million" last year are also false. They made $4 million off the streaming packages. They were also on regular TV. That still makes a lot more than the streaming. I would guess the Twins will make $20-25 from the TV providers and $3-4 from the streaming. Plus they get all the advertising revenue, but that's probably offset by the production costs.
 

GophersInIowa said:
16-38 in their last 54 games.
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Rocco needs to go immediately. This team has far more talent than to play that badly for that long. The 3rd grade mental error reflect on Rocco. They're not inspired by him. They don't fear him. They don't care.
 

howeda7 said:
That's what I'm saying. The reports that the Padres "made $4 million" last year are also false. They made $4 million off the streaming packages. They were also on regular TV. That still makes a lot more than the streaming. I would guess the Twins will make $20-25 from the TV providers and $3-4 from the streaming. Plus they get all the advertising revenue, but that's probably offset by the production costs.
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What are you basing $20-25 million on? We have no idea what Spectrum, Xfinity DirecTV, FOX9+ et al are forking over to the Twins. It could be practically peanuts, based on the lack of leverage they have.

Regarding the advertising revenue, while they do have some solid sponsors, a good chunk of the commercials are the Twins themselves & their charity foundations.

I also don't think it's as low as $3-4 million in total. But I also don't think it's as high as $20-25 million either (which as you indicated is already a mighty fine haircut to begin with).

The start up overhead is also a huge mystery. Totally in the clear, I could see $15 million as reasonable. I would be less surprised if it's substantially less as opposed to more.
 

Ope3 said:
What are you basing $20-25 million on? We have no idea what Spectrum, Xfinity DirecTV, FOX9+ et al are forking over to the Twins. It could be practically peanuts, based on the lack of leverage they have.

Regarding the advertising revenue, while they do have some solid sponsors, a good chunk of the commercials are the Twins themselves & their charity foundations.

I also don't think it's as low as $3-4 million in total. But I also don't think it's as high as $20-25 million either (which as you indicated is already a mighty fine haircut to begin with).

The start up overhead is also a huge mystery. Totally in the clear, I could see $15 million as reasonable. I would be less surprised if it's substantially less as opposed to more.
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We have an idea. They were paying $8-10 per customer per month for Bally's. At least 1/3 to 1/2 of that value was for the Twins, so they likely got to reduce that fee by $3-4/month. The Twins would ask for that $$.

Conservatively, they are likely getting at least $2/subscriber/month from the regular TV providers. And conservatively they are probably in a million households in the 5 state area. That's $24 million.

We don't know what the overhead is, but MLB is doing the games now for ~6 teams. I assume there are savings in that. It's reasonable to assume the $$ to produce the games doesn't exceed what they are getting for ads. Whatever Progressive is paying alone is likely a decent chunk of $$.
 

From the Parkinglot said:

Unserious organization.
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I did that once in 9th grade. I was stealing 2nd base I was safe well ahead of the throw. Except for watever reason, the catcher happened to have this this mitt where when the pitch hit it, it sounded like the cracking of a bat. Anyway, even though I made it to 2nd easily, the shortstop, who was fielding the throw, caught the throw and then ran to me already standing on 2nd base and attempted to put a tag on me. When he did that, my only assumption was that the hitter had actually hit the ball and lined it directly to the shortstop, who caught it, and then was attempting to double me up. So I turned and started running back to first, where I was tagged out. In the end, it turns out the hitter had not swung at the pitch and the catcher's ridiculously loud mitt crossed me up.
 


I assumed they'd have a pretty nice crowd yesterday with Mauer's statue unveiling and absolutely gorgeous weather for mid April.

15,693

Ouch
 

howeda7 said:
We have an idea. They were paying $8-10 per customer per month for Bally's. At least 1/3 to 1/2 of that value was for the Twins, so they likely got to reduce that fee by $3-4/month. The Twins would ask for that $$.

Conservatively, they are likely getting at least $2/subscriber/month from the regular TV providers. And conservatively they are probably in a million households in the 5 state area. That's $24 million.

We don't know what the overhead is, but MLB is doing the games now for ~6 teams. I assume there are savings in that. It's reasonable to assume the $$ to produce the games doesn't exceed what they are getting for ads. Whatever Progressive is paying alone is likely a decent chunk of $$.
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While that's a plausible scenario, I think it's highly improbable.

I question that $2/subscriber/month is legit. I think it could be much lower. The Bally's paradigm does not exist, that was a station that had 24/7/365 days a year programing.

They were also paying for exclusivity as well as other Twins content.

The fact that 95% of the carriage deals were announced less than 1 day before the opener also leads me to believe they signed on for literally pennies on the dollar.

The Twins needed to take what they could get to get on screens so to appease their sponsors, including Progressive.
 

Ope3 said:
While that's a plausible scenario, I think it's highly improbable.

I question that $2/subscriber/month is legit. I think it could be much lower. The Bally's paradigm does not exist, that was a station that had 24/7/365 days a year programing.

They were also paying for exclusivity as well as other Twins content.

The fact that 95% of the carriage deals were announced less than 1 day before the opener also leads me to believe they signed on for literally pennies on the dollar.

The Twins needed to take what they could get to get on screens so to appease their sponsors, including Progressive.
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Virtually all of the value of Bally's comes from the Twins, Wolves and Wild. The rest is filler garbage. The minute the Wolves and Wild leave the network will no longer exist.

MLB did the negotiating not the Twins. They negotiate for all 6 teams collectively. If they were taking pennies it wouldn't have taken until the last day. DirecTv charges a $10.95 rsn fee to every customer. They aren't giving that all to Bally's anymore. Comcast etc do the same.
 

howeda7 said:
Virtually all of the value of Bally's comes from the Twins, Wolves and Wild. The rest is filler garbage. The minute the Wolves and Wild leave the network will no longer exist.

MLB did the negotiating not the Twins. They negotiate for all 6 teams collectively. If they were taking pennies it wouldn't have taken until the last day. DirecTv charges a $10.95 rsn fee to every customer. They aren't giving that all to Bally's anymore. Comcast etc do the same.
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Is the $10.95 RSN for 'every customer' or just those that subscribe to a Premium Sports package? If it's just a those to get that, then it calls into question reaching 1million households.
 

Ope3 said:
Is the $10.95 RSN for 'every customer' or just those that subscribe to a Premium Sports package? If it's just a those to get that, then it calls into question reaching 1million households.
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Every customer who's on a tier that gets Bally's which is everyone but the very cheapest package.
 

ESPN's ranked all 30 team on their "watchability". The Twinkies come storming in at #27, ahead of the White Sox, Rockies and Marlins.


Star power: 3 | Young talent: 2 | Baserunning: 1 | Defense: 2 | Minutiae: 3

Bonus (3): +1 for Prince Day on June 10, +1 for Joe Ryan's four-seamer, +1 for having a Harrison, a Bailey and a Griffin on the roster -- as first names

The Twins ranked low last year, and I'll repeat what I said then: The team itself is probably better than this ranking, but there isn't a lot of glitz and glamour here. No big star (Carlos Correa's shine has dulled and Byron Buxton really never got there in the first place), no big masher, no speedster on the bases or must-see ace on the mound. The youth score will go up if Emmanuel Rodriguez and Luke Keaschall get called up -- which might be the case given the early struggles of the offense.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
ESPN's ranked all 30 team on their "watchability". The Twinkies come storming in at #27, ahead of the White Sox, Rockies and Marlins.


Star power: 3 | Young talent: 2 | Baserunning: 1 | Defense: 2 | Minutiae: 3

Bonus (3): +1 for Prince Day on June 10, +1 for Joe Ryan's four-seamer, +1 for having a Harrison, a Bailey and a Griffin on the roster -- as first names

The Twins ranked low last year, and I'll repeat what I said then: The team itself is probably better than this ranking, but there isn't a lot of glitz and glamour here. No big star (Carlos Correa's shine has dulled and Byron Buxton really never got there in the first place), no big masher, no speedster on the bases or must-see ace on the mound. The youth score will go up if Emmanuel Rodriguez and Luke Keaschall get called up -- which might be the case given the early struggles of the offense.
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It's pretty accurate. Lack of stars and there really isn't anything they do very well. There's little exciting about them.

I've given the front office credit for how well they've done in developing talent in the minors. But it seems that once the player gets to the big club, the development stops or slows significantly, especially with position players. They're good at developing average to maybe slightly above hitters. You need someone to become great, not just always ok.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
ESPN's ranked all 30 team on their "watchability". The Twinkies come storming in at #27, ahead of the White Sox, Rockies and Marlins.
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As a Twins and Rockies fan, I anticipate my time watching baseball this season will be the least since the strike season of 1994 (not counting the mini-season of 2020).
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
I assumed they'd have a pretty nice crowd yesterday with Mauer's statue unveiling and absolutely gorgeous weather for mid April.

15,693

Ouch
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I would have gone except I wanted to golf in instead. After that I wanted to take a nap instead. After that I wanted to watch the Master and keep tabs on the Timberwolves instead.

I'm a big Mauer fan but how many celebrations can there be? Retirement Ceremony. #7 Retirement Ceremony. Twins Hall of Fame Ceremony. Cooperstown induction Ceremony which I attended and I believe the Statue honor was announced.

I'm good on honoring Mauer. The statue will be there the next game I attend, which won't be until shorts weather at the earliest.
 

howeda7 said:
Every customer who's on a tier that gets Bally's which is everyone but the very cheapest package.
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Ok, I am still rather skeptical of the Twins/MLB leverage with the other cable companies (especially when fans can pony up for the Twins App instead) but maybe at some point there will be concrete data.
 

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