Naz Reid is expected to opt out of his contract this summer and enter free agency

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Slim Tubby said:
Currently, there are only two (2) teams that would have the cap space to sign Naz to a $25-30M/year deal - DET and BKN. Reid would be a perfect addition to what the Pistons are building.

I still think he ends up staying here, though.
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For how much?

He is not worth even close to 30 million
 

kg21 said:
For how much?

He is not worth even close to 30 million
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When I looked at, only DET and BKN have at least $15M+ in free cap space to sign Naz straight up as a Free Agent.

My guess is Reid's next contract will be close to $25M per year.
 

Slim Tubby said:
When I looked at, only DET and BKN have at least $15M+ in free cap space to sign Naz straight up as a Free Agent.

My guess is Reid's next contract will be close to $25M per year.
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4 years 100 million is my guess.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Currently, there are only two (2) teams that would have the cap space to sign Naz to a $25-30M/year deal - DET and BKN. Reid would be a perfect addition to what the Pistons are building.

I still think he ends up staying here, though.
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I sure hope you are right. He deserves to be paid, and I am not certain how birds rights works with the new CBA and 2nd apron confusion but imo whatever it takes to keep him and remain under the 2nd you do it.
 



25 mil aav puts him around 87th in salary and right around Nick Claxton, Draymond, Brook Lopez and Jayden. I’d expect he’d be in that conversation somewhere between 20-30 pending on number of years
 

kg21 said:
For the love of Gawd, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Not with the wolves.
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So the Wolves are just going to have no big men for the future? How does that make sense? It's far more important to keep Naz than Julius Randle.

The more playing time Naz gets, the more consistent he is. It's a little bit like Jalen Brunson with the Mavs. Once he became the full time starter with the Knicks, he became a star.

Naz will be a really good starting PF for someone next year, and it needs to be with the Wolves.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
So the Wolves are just going to have no big men for the future? How does that make sense? It's far more important to keep Naz than Julius Randle.

The more playing time Naz gets, the more consistent he is. It's a little bit like Jalen Brunson with the Mavs. Once he became the full time starter with the Knicks, he became a star.

Naz will be a really good starting PF for someone next year, and it needs to be with the Wolves.
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Naz is being hunted defensively and is hit or miss on offense.

I'd spend that 100 million somewhere else.
 

kg21 said:
Naz is being hunted defensively and is hit or miss on offense.

I'd spend that 100 million somewhere else.
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He's a lot more consistent on offense and defense when he starts. He put up better numbers than Randle and he's at worst similar on D compared to Randle. 4 years 100 million is also cheaper than Randle.

Letting a 25 year old Naz walk in favor of keeping a 31 year old Randle and a 33 year old Rudy would be insanely idiotic when your star player is 23. Thankfully Connelly isn't that stupid.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
He's a lot more consistent on offense and defense when he starts. He put up better numbers than Randle and he's at worst similar on D compared to Randle. 4 years 100 million is also cheaper than Randle.

Letting a 25 year old Naz walk in favor of keeping a 31 year old Randle and a 33 year old Rudy would be insanely idiotic when your star player is 23. Thankfully Connelly isn't that stupid.
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All I know is that your top 3 are then going to be Ant, Naz, and McDaniels

We'll never get there that way.

Can they sign Naz and use him to get KD here?
 

kg21 said:
All I know is that your top 3 are then going to be Ant, Naz, and McDaniels

We'll never get there that way.

Can they sign Naz and use him to get KD here?
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It won't be just those 3, they also are developing the young guards and will have future draft picks/FA/trades to add other players.

Getting Durant also doesn't make any sense. He'll make 55 million next year and will be 37 years old. Connelly shipped out KAT to develop a young, cheaper core around Ant. He's not going to throw that all away for a one year run with KD and then start over as Ant enters his prime.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
It won't be just those 3, they also are developing the young guards and will have future draft picks/FA/trades to add other players.

Getting Durant also doesn't make any sense. He'll make 55 million next year and will be 37 years old. Connelly shipped out KAT to develop a young, cheaper core around Ant. He's not going to throw that all away for a one year run with KD and then start over as Ant enters his prime.
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Getting Durant would make sense, because he is a go to in the clutch which we have nothing.

Also, it would save you from overpaying for Naz.

Naz is a sixth man on good teams.
 

kg21 said:
Getting Durant would make sense, because he is a go to in the clutch which we have nothing.

Also, it would save you from overpaying for Naz.

Naz is a sixth man on good teams.
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How far has Phoenix gone in the postseason with Durant again? Phoenix had one of the better young cores in the league and destroyed it by getting Durant. The Wolves would be doing the same.

The Wolves would have to ship out at minimum Randle and McDaniels to get the Suns interested and make the money work.

Naz puts up great numbers as a starting PF, he’s not a 6th man beyond this season.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
How far has Phoenix gone in the postseason with Durant again? Phoenix had one of the better young cores in the league and destroyed it by getting Durant. The Wolves would be doing the same.

The Wolves would have to ship out at minimum Randle and McDaniels to get the Suns interested and make the money work.

Naz puts up great numbers as a starting PF, he’s not a 6th man beyond this season.
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How far are the wolves going to go with McDaniels, Ant, and Reid as the core?

Hell, right now they are fighting to get out of the play in
 

kg21 said:
How far are the wolves going to go with McDaniels, Ant, and Reid as the core?

Hell, right now they are fighting to get out of the play in
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they're missing the 3rd "core" guy in terms of fit right now. The above was not the "core" for this year but was Ant, Randle and... Jaden? This team was not a title team from the start of the year and they didn't think they were with KAT either.

Obviously none of us know what Wolves brass is thinking, but the idea was to retool the contracts to shuffle the team seeing Rudy was getting older (and Randle is as well, which is why the KAT trade for this specifically was odd) to maintain lots of flexibility to go out and sign someone while developing more talent internally. The hope is that Jaden can increase his scoring output while playing top notch defense and take a role like what we saw happen with Jaylen Brown (his numbers for age track reasonably well but are more defensively leaned than scoring leaned). Think right now the question is to we want to go full in on the "defensive" identity or the play scoring up and down ball.

Ant is 23, Jaden 24, Naz 25. They're nowhere near the peak of what they're going to be 2-3 years out (likely).
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
How far has Phoenix gone in the postseason with Durant again? Phoenix had one of the better young cores in the league and destroyed it by getting Durant. The Wolves would be doing the same.

The Wolves would have to ship out at minimum Randle and McDaniels to get the Suns interested and make the money work.

Naz puts up great numbers as a starting PF, he’s not a 6th man beyond this season.
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I agree with everything you said up until your last sentence because it raises questions:

1. How many minutes per game does Naz average as a starter versus when he comes off the bench? It has to be very close, right?

2. Are we to believe that Naz actually puts up more efficient stats against another team's starters compared to their bench players?

This is a flawed roster with one (1) Max player in Ant and the equivalent of four (4) guys worth $30M per year by NBA standards - Gobert, Randle, Jaden and Naz.

All four (4) of those guys have completely different games with very little overlap...and none of them are good enough to be a true #2 guy on a Championship team. Nor do any of them play PG.

That's a problem.
 

Slim Tubby said:
I agree with everything you said up until your last sentence because it raises questions:

1. How many minutes per game does Naz average as a starter versus when he comes off the bench? It has to be very close, right?

2. Are we to believe that Naz actually puts up more efficient stats against another team's starters compared to their bench players?

This is a flawed roster with one (1) Max player in Ant and the equivalent of four (4) guys worth $30M per year by NBA standards - Gobert, Randle, Jaden and Naz.

All four (4) of those guys have completely different games with very little overlap...and none of them are good enough to be a true #2 guy on a Championship team. Nor do any of them play PG.

That's a problem.
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Naz would play 5-8 more minutes per game as a starter. In 17 games as a starter this season he's averaging 18.3 PPG, 9 REB, 3.2 AST, 1.3 BLK's. Randle is averaging 18.7 PPG, 7 REB, 4.6 AST, 0.2 BLK's. Naz doesn't just play against other teams bench players, no teams rotate 5 guys in and 5 guys out.

I don't think a top 3 of Ant, Naz, and McDaniels would be all that different from OKC's top 3 of SGA, Williams, and Chet. I think it's better than Houstons young top 3 of Green, Sengun, Thompson. This is the same core that continues to own Denver's core of Jokic, Murray, and Porter Jr since last years playoffs.

Having a traditional PG is overrated in today's NBA. Most NBA guards are combo guards. You have to continue to project improvements from Ant, Jaden, Naz, Dillingham, Shannon, Clark, as they all can still get a lot better. Randle likely won't be here past this season. There is room to reshape the roster around Ant/Naz/Jaden.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Naz would play 5-8 more minutes per game as a starter. In 17 games as a starter this season he's averaging 18.3 PPG, 9 REB, 3.2 AST, 1.3 BLK's. Randle is averaging 18.7 PPG, 7 REB, 4.6 AST, 0.2 BLK's. Naz doesn't just play against other teams bench players, no teams rotate 5 guys in and 5 guys out.

I don't think a top 3 of Ant, Naz, and McDaniels would be all that different from OKC's top 3 of SGA, Williams, and Chet. I think it's better than Houstons young top 3 of Green, Sengun, Thompson. This is the same core that continues to own Denver's core of Jokic, Murray, and Porter Jr since last years playoffs.

Having a traditional PG is overrated in today's NBA. Most NBA guards are combo guards. You have to continue to project improvements from Ant, Jaden, Naz, Dillingham, Shannon, Clark, as they all can still get a lot better. Randle likely won't be here past this season. There is room to reshape the roster around Ant/Naz/Jaden.
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I don't even know where to begin.
 




GopherWeatherGuy said:
what?
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Ant was horrific tonight

No one even knows McDaniels played tonight.

Naz had a good night.

It does sort of remind me of SGA, Chet and Williams........LOL

It's an extremely rare night when all three of our playing well.........it's a rare when OKC's are not all playing well.

Damn, GopherWeather.
 
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kg21 said:
Ant was horrific tonight

No one even knows McDaniels played tonight.

Naz had a good night.

It does sort of remind me of SGA, Chet and Williams........LOL
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Where were you during the 8 game winning streak? The Wolves are 2-2 vs OKC this season.

The Wolves are frustratingly inconsistent this season. They won't win any games when Ant plays this terrible and his injury probably has something to do with it. Indiana is also pretty good.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Where were you during the 8 game winning streak? The Wolves are 2-2 vs OKC this season.

The Wolves are frustratingly inconsistent this season. They won't win any games when Ant plays this terrible and his injury probably has something to do with it. Indiana is also pretty good.
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I was pumped during the 8 game winning streak thinking we'd turned the corner.

Shame on me. When will I learn.
 

kg21 said:
I was pumped during the 8 game winning streak thinking we'd turned the corner.

Shame on me. When will I learn.
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I felt the same way. Thought we looked a lot like last year's team. That's why I think the Wolves are not that far away with this core. Just need to make a few changes and find a better player leader to help them on the court and they'll be just fine. I think they really miss that from Slo Mo.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I felt the same way. Thought we looked a lot like last year's team. That's why I think the Wolves are not that far away with this core. Just need to make a few changes and find a better player leader to help them on the court and they'll be just fine. I think they really miss that from Slo Mo.
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they need a point guard who can set people up and defend for starters. The most disappointing thing for me this year is Dillingham not playing. I think the whole thing rides with his development and I'm not liking what I'm seeing so far.

Indiana got easy shots tonight due to their ability to penetrate. We have only one player who can do that.

I'm quite pissy about the wolves because I think we are stuck.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I felt the same way. Thought we looked a lot like last year's team. That's why I think the Wolves are not that far away with this core. Just need to make a few changes and find a better player leader to help them on the court and they'll be just fine. I think they really miss that from Slo Mo.
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It's more than Slo Mo. Something is missing and I am certain that it won't get fixed by the playoffs.
Ant, Naz and Randle haven't bothered with defense all season. The want isn't there which blows my mind knowing two of the players are playing for new contracts.
 

kg21 said:
they need a point guard who can set people up and defend for starters. The most disappointing thing for me this year is Dillingham not playing. I think the whole thing rides with his development and I'm not liking what I'm seeing so far.

Indiana got easy shots tonight due to their ability to penetrate. We have only one player who can do that.

I'm quite pissy about the wolves because I think we are stuck.
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Dilly looks years away imo. Not good.
 

tikited said:
It's more than Slo Mo. Something is missing and I am certain that it won't get fixed by the playoffs.
Ant, Naz and Randle haven't bothered with defense all season. The want isn't there which blows my mind knowing two of the players are playing for new contracts.
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On Ant: I think a huge part of the problem is you're trying to have him run the offense and he has to work so damn hard to make plays/shots because of our roster construction that doesn't space the floor well. Rudy let's a big stay inside given he cannot pick and pop at all and can only roll and Randle doesn't shoot it at a high enough clip to pull his guy from sagging off him as well and Jaden still hasn't taken that next step shooting from outside. It's why they look lightyears better offensively in the DD and Naz minutes because the paint is open and all guys can both slash and shoot. The NBA has changed massively and you can't win consistently with 2-3 negative outside shooters out there unless your star goes crazy (which is what Ant ends up trying to do). Its part of why Dallas blew up their roster to surround Luka with shooters before he left. You can live with one roller only if the rest of the floor keeps it so only 2 guys can participate in defending but we let it be 3-4 with our shooting.

On Naz: if he wants to play himself out of a bigger deal and come back at a lower price here, I'll be very ok with that as I think he'll continue to improve.

On Randle: he has a player option I believe for next year. Have to imagine he's not going to get something super large given he'll be 31 next year and with downtrending shooting numbers and missing games this year. I would think we'd want to try shop him in the offseason but I don't know how many suitors you're going to find. Get we didn't want to keep KAT because of the money, but trying to play moneyball around Ant is going to be challenging as he just doesn't have the dynamism passing the ball that SGA or Luka do to be a one-man driver of a team. to me, that's the biggest thing he needs to be in the lab for in the offseason as an A/TO ratio of 4.6/3.2 for a ball dominant guard is going to kill us perennially (he's not even in the top 100). If he gets that ratio up closer to 2, it helps a whole lot of things.
 

tikited said:
It's more than Slo Mo. Something is missing and I am certain that it won't get fixed by the playoffs.
Ant, Naz and Randle haven't bothered with defense all season. The want isn't there which blows my mind knowing two of the players are playing for new contracts.
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It is more than just that. Randle doesn't work next to Rudy/Jaden. Naz works much better between those two.
 

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