All Things 2023 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

Nope. Not what tanking is.

They were just a terrible team, from the beginning.
What does it matter what means they used to get there. The point is they got the #1 pick and were in the super bowl shortly after. Nobody who talks about wanting their team to tank actually EXPECTS their team to intentionally lose games. At least not anybody worth listening to
 



Is it more about production, or majority of snaps?

So you would like to pay them the good money to not play many snaps.
If it was more about "production" then players would be paid at a much higher rate during their first 4-5 years in the NFL, but they are instead under the Rookie/1st Contract wage scale.
 

Is it more about production, or majority of snaps?

So you would like to pay them the good money to not play many snaps.
Pat Mahomes signed a 10 year $450million contract, how much of that do you think he actually sees? Where as Ohtani signed a contract for $700million and one way or another he gonna see $700million from the dodgers.

They should all be guaranteed contracts. The NfL is such a violent game and the avg career can’t be more than 4-5 years.

The nfl has a free training ground and doesn’t let the kids come into the league until their 3rd year out of high school. Unlike other sports that have them come directly out of high school and have to pay to have them developed. Then if you are a first round pick coming into the league at say 22 your first 4 years you are paid minimally compared to other people. Plus if you are any good you get your 5th year option picked up. By the time you are a free agent ready to make any money you are 28 and on the downside. You sign that big deal and maybe they pay you for 2 - 3 years on that deal before they start making you take pay cuts or move money around for the salary cap. The nfl union is so weak and is mind boggling because of the outrageous amount of money the league generates.
 


If it was more about "production" then players would be paid at a much higher rate during their first 4-5 years in the NFL, but they are instead under the Rookie/1st Contract wage scale.
You do realize the NFL plays 17 games and has a large roster, right?

Harrison is getting huge money for his production. So was Greenway.

You've lost me.
 

You do realize the NFL plays 17 games and has a large roster, right?

Harrison is getting huge money for his production. So was Greenway.

You've lost me.
Oh please, if the NFL had to guarantee every cent of a signed contract (just like every other North American pro-League) the Owners would still make gobs and gobs of dollars even if they had to expand their salary cap to fill out their roster.
 





What does it matter what means they used to get there. The point is they got the #1 pick and were in the super bowl shortly after.
The point is that it is two absolutely different things.

Being an awful team from day 1 of the season is entirely, absolutely different than being a team that might be in playoff contention, plays some number of games, decides it isn't in playoff contention, and then self-sabotages its season from that point onward.

The latter is tanking.
 

Pat Mahomes signed a 10 year $450million contract, how much of that do you think he actually sees? Where as Ohtani signed a contract for $700million and one way or another he gonna see $700million from the dodgers.

They should all be guaranteed contracts. The NfL is such a violent game and the avg career can’t be more than 4-5 years.
The problem is that the player has no incentive to keep trying hard, keep being in shape, playing hard, etc.

How about this compromise:

any player that gets badly injured during play such that they cannot physically fulfill the contract due to the injury, the NFL takes over the contract and pays it out. Goes off the team's cap completely.

Isn't that fair?
 

Oh please, if the NFL had to guarantee every cent of a signed contract (just like every other North American pro-League) the Owners would still make gobs and gobs of dollars even if they had to expand their salary cap to fill out their roster.
If you draft a first round bust, you should still have to pay him, right?
 

If it was more about "production" then players would be paid at a much higher rate during their first 4-5 years in the NFL, but they are instead under the Rookie/1st Contract wage scale.
That's because several of them are busts.
 



That's because several of them are busts.
Not wrong, but the player's union still had to sign-off on the structure.

Vets didn't like the idea of rookies coming in and getting huge deals, having done nothing to earn them. They aren't wrong.

Exactly like what we're seeing in college now with NIL. Some guy who hasn't done a single thing in college, but gets a 5* slapped on him by some website, gets truckloads of cash/benefits dumped on him just to get him in the door.
 

Lewis Cine

4 years, 11.5 million

5.5 million signing bonus.

Well, good for you, Lewis. You are stealing, but good for you.
 

Lewis Cine

4 years, 11.5 million

5.5 million signing bonus.

Well, good for you, Lewis. You are stealing, but good for you.
$11.5MM contract and he couldn't even be bothered to learn the playbook his first year here. Either he is fantastic at interviewing and he duped the Vikes into thinking he was a motivated individual, or the people that interviewed him are total dumbasses.

Could have taken Kyle Hamilton, who is looking really good with the Ravens. Instead they essentially give Williams to the Lions, Watson to the Pack and take Cine. Honestly has to be one of THE worst draft moves in Vikes history, which is saying something.
 

Pat Mahomes signed a 10 year $450million contract, how much of that do you think he actually sees? Where as Ohtani signed a contract for $700million and one way or another he gonna see $700million from the dodgers.
Your point about NFL contracts is totally valid, however you picked a REALLY bad example. Mahomes signed his $450MM contract in 2020. In 2023 the team restructured his contract to pay him $30MM MORE than their originally agreed-upon contract. They also said they'd look at restructuring again in 2026 for further additional money.
 


Lewis Cine

4 years, 11.5 million

5.5 million signing bonus.

Well, good for you, Lewis. You are stealing, but good for you.
I don't consider a player suffering a compound leg fracture "stealing", a month into his rookie season played on a questionable surface in London. Not by a long shot. Damn straight he should get paid the $11.5 million he's guaranteed.

It's also in between 1-2% of the Salary Cap. Big whoop.
 

I don't consider a player suffering a compound leg fracture "stealing", a month into his rookie season played on a questionable surface in London. Not by a long shot. Damn straight he should get paid the $11.5 million he's guaranteed.

It's also in between 1-2% of the Salary Cap. Big whoop.
he's now healthy and wasn't worth a crap before the injury.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 

There’s no way a guy can dominate at Georgia, and then be completely hapless in the NFL. Does not compute.

There’s far more to the story there, and I hope it gets told one day of what the hell happened.
 

he's now healthy and wasn't worth a crap before the injury.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.
So what? I think the Zygi will survive the the financial hit.

As for the Vikings in general it's a 1.18% Salary Cap Charge. Again big whoop. It's so minor in the grand scheme of the Vikings payroll.


Even with the money going to Cine the Vikings still have $7.4 million in cap space.

 
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$11.5MM contract and he couldn't even be bothered to learn the playbook his first year here. Either he is fantastic at interviewing and he duped the Vikes into thinking he was a motivated individual, or the people that interviewed him are total dumbasses.
The NFL draft is a giant exercise in self-reinforcement, fear, and risk aversion.

Fear of “over” drafting.
 


Even with the money going to Cine the Vikings still have $7.4 million in cap space.

The Vikes should chip off a piece of that available cap space to Ivan Pace who has clearly outperformed his rookie minimum.

I'm not holding my breath.
 

The Vikes should chip off a piece of that available cap space to Ivan Pace who has clearly outperformed his rookie minimum.

I'm not holding my breath.
Being Pace was an UDFA, he gets to hit (restricted) free agency in year 4. If he continues to play as well as he has this year, he'll get paid before all the guys that got drafted. Pretty funny how that works. I went to Miami U as Pace did, so I've been cheering for him to do well. Tied an NCAA record with 6 sacks in one game while at Miami.
 

I did want answers. I reject that you gave a valid one.
Which is fine to disagree on.

However you fabricated or were completely off the mark that I was advocating the Vikings tank just because I said it worked for Dallas. I have never uttered one word on tanking either way (with regards to whether or not the Purple should employ such a strategy).

Additionally you insinuated I was still hung up on the Herschel Walker trade. It did take a while, but I was officially over it when the Vikings pounded the Cowboys in the 2000 Playoffs.

So it took a decade.
 
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