2023 College Basketball Transfer Portal Watch Thread

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MNVCGUY said:
Yep.....really wish they would stop calling these pay for play deals NIL because they aren't. It is a shame that NIL has now become synonymous with pay for play. NIL is a great thing for college athletes and something that should have been in place a long time ago.

Unfortunate that there is no possible way to differentiate between the two.
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If a player like Nigel Pack is promised $800 K and a car, it is pay for play. Other players on that team will look at that, think they are just as good and look for somewhere where they can get a similar deal. If you are going where the NIL money is that’s textbook pay for play. .
 
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bga1 said:
I agree. I hope that this is messaging they are sending to Carrington, Christie and Mitchell and not the guys we are trying to get in the portal. It's very tricky the language you use while the portal window is still open. If you say now, publicly, we are trying to recruit a starting PG or a starting combo guard or 2, perhaps one of the three mentioned decides to test the market further. If you say what he said here, but are talking to guys that you think could beat them out for a starting guard spot and telling them- we see you as having a chance to start and lead our team...that's the guys you want at this stage.
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Why would they tell the portal recruits "come here you'll start!" and Christie/Carrington "don't worry you'll start!"? Like the players don't talk to each other? Carrington and Christie haven't earned starting spots. If having to compete and earn their playing time sends them running to the portal or asking out of their NIL than the entire thing is a lost cause anyway.
 

USAF said:
Nothing says "this is a legit website" better than allowing this nimrod to CONTINUALLY race bait.

How does GH staff allow this??
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it’s just a snarky comment to point out the usual racial makeup of Wisconsin basketball, which is predominately white.
 

Bobek said:
If a player like Nigel Pack is promised $800 K and a car, it is pay for play. Other players on that team will look at that, think they are just as good and look for somewhere where they can get a similar deal. That’s pay for play every day.
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Very likely correct and, if the NCAA doesn't start providing some rules with teeth, they might as well shut their doors. He isn't a major celebrity.
 

cjbfbp said:
Very likely correct and, if the NCAA doesn't start providing some rules with teeth, they might as well shut their doors. He isn't a major celebrity.
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That was the scariest thing about the Nijel Pack package. He was a really good player, but not an elite one, and he got an awful lot of money connected to going to Miami from a businessman who is also a booster. If Ruiz (and others) are in this for their businesses, why aren't they giving NIL to proven players at other schools? His Llifewallet company isn't a regional one in the south. He could use players all over the country to draw attention to his products. Their value isn't tied to playing for Miami. It's tied to how much attention they gather through their playing.
 


the NCAA is basically pleading with Congress to pass some national legislation that would spell out regulations for NIL. I know there have been some congressional hearings on the subject, but given the current situation with the House and Senate controlled by different parties, I am very skeptical of any legislation getting through at this time.

until then, as others have noted, there is a patchwork of states that have passed NIL bills and states with no bills - and the NCAA is taking an extreme "hands off" policy because (I speculate) they don't want to wind up back in court.

it's the Wild West and there is no US Marshall riding into town to clean up the streets.
 

Holy Man said:
That was the scariest thing about the Nijel Pack package. He was a really good player, but not an elite one, and he got an awful lot of money connected to going to Miami from a businessman who is also a booster. If Ruiz (and others) are in this for their businesses, why aren't they giving NIL to proven players at other schools? His Llifewallet company isn't a regional one in the south. He could use players all over the country to draw attention to his products. Their value isn't tied to playing for Miami. It's tied to how much attention they gather through their playing.
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Yes, this isn't conceptually difficult. NIL is supposed to be value given for services or other valuable consideration received. If the amount of the payment given is enormously disproportionate to the value of the services received, then there is a strong pay-for-play element there.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
the NCAA is basically pleading with Congress to pass some national legislation that would spell out regulations for NIL. I know there have been some congressional hearings on the subject, but given the current situation with the House and Senate controlled by different parties, I am very skeptical of any legislation getting through at this time.

until then, as others have noted, there is a patchwork of states that have passed NIL bills and states with no bills - and the NCAA is taking an extreme "hands off" policy because (I speculate) they don't want to wind up back in court.

it's the Wild West and there is no US Marshall riding into town to clean up the streets.
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If Congress is as effective at this as they are at everything else- then nothing good will happen.
 

cjbfbp said:
Yes, this isn't conceptually difficult. NIL is supposed to be value given for services or other valuable consideration received. If the amount of the payment given is enormously disproportionate to the value of the services received, then there is a strong pay-for-play element there.
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I agree, but who makes the call on what is a fair payment and what isn't? I mean we all know the big payments are pay for play but there is so much gray area in all this it would be really hard to legislate.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they figure out how to do it but it won't be easy.
 



Off-GridTNgopher said:
I think of spaulding as a young Richard Pryor...
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really?

I think this is a much more accurate comp-

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Off-GridTNgopher said:
He makes me chuckle from time to time... I haven't looked at the stats and truly have no idea if I'm talking out my ass..... But hasn't wi been a predominantly white program recently?? If so... Hence the Richard Pryor type comment
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MNVCGUY said:
I agree, but who makes the call on what is a fair payment and what isn't? I mean we all know the big payments are pay for play but there is so much gray area in all this it would be really hard to legislate.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they figure out how to do it but it won't be easy.
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Again, compensation studies and surveys are very commonly used for determining appropriate compensation levels. The tax authorities have dealt with this issue many times over the years. For example, a wealthy parent with a business interest pays a child a very large amount to work at the business in a position that an unrelated person normally would earn far less. The parent is trying to deduct the full amount of payment that in reality is part deductible business expense and part non-deductible gift/allowance. A solely owned C corporation pays an exorbitantly large amount of compensation to a shareholder/employee. The corporation is trying to deduct an entire payment as compensation when in reality the payment is part deductible compensation and part non-deductible dividend.

If you just throw up your hands and say "well, who can decide what's reasonable?" then you're just going to surrender to the violators, the rules will be completely meaningless, and the only people who will be punished will be the honest ones.

The first thing to do is require the person making the NIL payments or the agents to provide documentation establishing the reasonableness of the payments. Some threshold could be established where payments for services (provided they were actually done) are respected automatically as long as they don't go over those amounts.
 

Holy Man said:
That was the scariest thing about the Nijel Pack package. He was a really good player, but not an elite one, and he got an awful lot of money connected to going to Miami from a businessman who is also a booster. If Ruiz (and others) are in this for their businesses, why aren't they giving NIL to proven players at other schools? His Llifewallet company isn't a regional one in the south. He could use players all over the country to draw attention to his products. Their value isn't tied to playing for Miami. It's tied to how much attention they gather through their playing.
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Ruiz is a billionaire and the money he gives those players is chump change to him.

For many of those guys it’s about their egos .
 




MNVCGUY said:
I agree, but who makes the call on what is a fair payment and what isn't? I mean we all know the big payments are pay for play but there is so much gray area in all this it would be really hard to legislate.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they figure out how to do it but it won't be easy.
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I hope Ruiz did pay Pack 800k. Maybe a few mistakes like that will dampen his enthusiasm for burning money.
 


Holy Man said:
My take just demonstrates my insensitivity to the current roster. I have a lot of that in me these days.
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If you can get a commitment from a player who's an obvious upgrade to any starter, including in the front court, you take them and let the dominoes fall. With a 2-17 team, no one's role should be considered safe from being recruited over.

However, those guys aren't considering MN, so that point is moot.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
the NCAA is basically pleading with Congress to pass some national legislation that would spell out regulations for NIL. I know there have been some congressional hearings on the subject, but given the current situation with the House and Senate controlled by different parties, I am very skeptical of any legislation getting through at this time.

until then, as others have noted, there is a patchwork of states that have passed NIL bills and states with no bills - and the NCAA is taking an extreme "hands off" policy because (I speculate) they don't want to wind up back in court.

it's the Wild West and there is no US Marshall riding into town to clean up the streets.
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I disagree !
This they will take up and deal with in a non partisan way , why they let the rest of the country go straight to hell.
 

cjbfbp said:
If you just throw up your hands and say "well, who can decide what's reasonable?" then you're just going to surrender to the violators, the rules will be completely meaningless, and the only people who will be punished will be the honest ones.
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Basically feels like this is the mode the NCAA has decided to go with in regards to NIL.
 

Holy Man said:
I can't see the article but the one sentence exposed says "add more depth." When I see "depth" I think bench player who can contribute. If that is what the staff is looking for, instead of at least one, if not two, guards who can start and be competitive in the B1G, we are in trouble.
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Yeah, we need starters. We still need someone who can replace our second-best player who just transferred. The portal needs to save this team from another last-place finish.
 



Bad Gopher said:
The portal needs to save this team from another last-place finish.
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Have you seen Penn State's roster?

They have:

1) five guys from this year's roster who are out of eligibility;

2) five more guys in the portal;

3) they had three freshman recruits but they appear to have all de-committed.

They have a roster that resembles ours from two years ago and their new coach hasn't picked up a transfer yet.
 

cjbfbp said:
Have you seen Penn State's roster?

They have:

1) five guys from this year's roster who are out of eligibility;

2) five more guys in the portal;

3) they had three freshman recruits but they appear to have all de-committed.

They have a roster that resembles ours from two years ago and their new coach hasn't picked up a transfer yet.
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Can't argue. But we are where we are, and we need good players and now.
 

cjbfbp said:
Have you seen Penn State's roster?

They have:

1) five guys from this year's roster who are out of eligibility;

2) five more guys in the portal;

3) they had three freshman recruits but they appear to have all de-committed.

They have a roster that resembles ours from two years ago and their new coach hasn't picked up a transfer yet.
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I predict Rhoades will be deemed a very sh!tty coach..
 




Bad Gopher said:
Can't argue. But we are where we are, and we need good players and now.
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Just for the heck of it, now that Shrewsberry moved on to Notre Dame I'm inclined to replace him with Rhoades on my "Comparable (hired at same time) Coaches" thread that also included Ben, TJ Otzelberger, and Craig Smith. Would be interesting to see how Rhoades fares vs. the other 3 guys who have a 2-year head-start guiding their programs.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Just for the heck of it, now that Shrewsberry moved on to Notre Dame I'm inclined to replace him with Rhoades on my "Comparable (hired at same time) Coaches" thread that also included Ben, TJ Otzelberger, and Craig Smith. Would be interesting to see how Rhoades fares vs. the other 3 guys who have a 2-year head-start guiding their programs.
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It will be very interesting to see how he does compared to how Johnson did because their starting points are very similar in terms of having to build the team from scratch.
 


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